They sucked with Rodgers in the last game. And if he wasn't healthy he should not have been playing.
@GratefulPack posted:Am I missing something, but I don't see a toilet, that seems excruciating.
It’s in the bathroom behind the hot tub. Looks pretty nice, tbh. Seems like a good spot for those who want to “unplug” for a bit.
I don't expect them to be any better than the past season's team which outside of the 2nd Vikings game and a couple of haves here and there was pretty shitty. And they are going to lose players and have to replace them with rookies and guys off the street.
I'm not convinced injuries were that much of a problem for Rodgers last season. He's definitely lost arm strength, wouldn't/couldn't throw into tight windows, has basically been reduced to a pocket passer, and his field vision seemed lacking. The guy is 40 so he's not going to be the same. But in past seasons I always felt the Packers had the edge at QB against any team. Not anymore, even guys like Goff and Cousins can play with him. I'm not saying the Packers will suck with Rodgers but they would be just as good with Love given 1/2 a season of starts under his belt.
Rodgers made his career with all of the off-schedule stuff and almost never throwing a pick. It was the rolling right/left, escaping the pocket, and then making an insane throw that nearly no other QB could make.
He was also highly underrated as an athlete. No, he wasn't a Michael Vick but he was just fast enough to escape an edge rusher or a LB and make a play.
At 40, his mobility isn't there anymore. And while yes, he can still sling it, he is much more of a pure pocket passer and can't escape defenders like he used to.
In MLF's scheme, that wasn't necessarily a deal breaker. But Rodgers seemed frankly bored throwing the high percentage, easy "dink and dunk" underneath throws. Along with an offense that tilts towards running the ball and eating a lot of clock.
That type of offense we saw in MLF's first year doesn't look like that anymore. Rodgers said he wasn't a fan of a lot of the pre-snap motions, jet sweeps, and other key pieces of a Shanahan offense. We saw tons of that when MLF came here.
Yet another reason to rip the Band-Aid off and start the Love era.
I agree on the idiocy of Rodgers' stance against motion. Oldmanism, for sure.
@Packiderm posted:Packers are probably gonna suck next year no matter what. I would rather see an aggressive D taking chances ,blitzing and flying to the ball than a D that looks lost as receivers run free and teams rush for over 200 a game.
One thing in the Packers favor is they play a third place schedule next season. Vikings have first place schedule and will take a step back. NFC still wide open, Eagles coaching shuffle, 49ers probably starting with Trey Lance at QB, Dallas is well, Dallas. Who else? NYG?
I can see Rodgers thinking Packers are his best chance at championship vs with AFC team. But now is time to build for future with Love.
If he tracks down the “disgusted by” story and finds it is true it’s Green Bay in my rear view mirror time IMO.
@Sartori…Spoken like a true suburban soccer player who only took penalties on grass fields. Try the mud that my Nigerian ancestors had to shoot from.
@PackerRick posted:I'm not convinced injuries were that much of a problem for Rodgers last season. He's definitely lost arm strength, wouldn't/couldn't throw into tight windows, has basically been reduced to a pocket passer, and his field vision seemed lacking. The guy is 40 so he's not going to be the same. But in past seasons I always felt the Packers had the edge at QB against any team. Not anymore, even guys like Goff and Cousins can play with him. I'm not saying the Packers will suck with Rodgers but they would be just as good with Love given 1/2 a season of starts under his belt.
That's a pretty big assumption with Love. Regardless, it really doesn't matter in my fandom who the Packer quarterback is next season. I'll still watch and enjoy the games on TV and in person a few times a year. That said, I'll ride with the 4-time NFL MVP over a relatively unknown player to lead the Packer squad in 2023.
Perhaps GB considers trading Love prior to the draft?
Also it’s easier transition for Love off a down year vs a 13-4 NFC Championship loss. Even if Packers “suck” they will have better grasp of Love being the guy going forward.
@Satori posted:If you don't even put it on the frame, yer gonna hear about it from me.
He kicked it over the bar like any good field goal kicker would. Still don't get why you are pissing and moaning.
@Pakrz posted:Perhaps GB considers trading Love prior to the draft?
Something nobody is talking about but is still a possibility. I would find it hard to believe that both Rodgers and Love are on the team this year. It's either one or the other. If you think Love is the guy of the future you start him this year. If not, he needs to be traded. There's no point having him sit on the bench again. Trade him and draft Hooker, let AR play another year.
@Pakrz posted:That's a pretty big assumption with Love. Regardless, it really doesn't matter in my fandom who the Packer quarterback is next season. I'll still watch and enjoy the games on TV and in person a few times a year. That said, I'll ride with the 4-time NFL MVP over a relatively unknown player to lead the Packer squad in 2023.
Perhaps GB considers trading Love prior to the draft?
Read what his teammates are saying. They weren’t saying this the year before. The kid is ready and Rodgers is on the downward slide.
At this point, given what players have said, what management is implying, and so on, I'll go with Love. It may be a year too early, but if they stick with Rodgers it will probably be another year down the tubes. His arm strength and vision -- both of which made him so unique -- are definitely dropping rapidly. GB may get into the playoffs, but it would probably be the same one-and-done -- if Rodgers even makes it through another year healthwise. The slide in his reading the D and getting the ball out quickly is evident, so he's going to take more big hits as he doesn't run as much lately either.
And frankly, I want to see what MLF's offense can do when it's carried out by someone willing to run it as scripted with the motion, etc. Extra motion and deception got KC two easy TDs in the SB. The earlier reports of MLF coming up with plays or wanting to use plays and Rodgers shooting them down, plus his dislike of pre-snap motion, tells me Rodgers wants to stick to MM's "beat your man" hero ball/stale offense. And how'd that work out?
If there's one thing I can do, it's blame MLF for not having the balls to tell Rodgers to suck it up and run a play as designed/needed and "if you don't like it, take a seat." A HC has to be stronger than the strongest member of the team.
@ammo posted:Only you and Kiel would want a fussball kicker.
I wasn’t a soccer player…I was a goalie.
@Pakrz posted:That's a pretty big assumption with Love. Regardless, it really doesn't matter in my fandom who the Packer quarterback is next season. I'll still watch and enjoy the games on TV and in person a few times a year. That said, I'll ride with the 4-time NFL MVP over a relatively unknown player to lead the Packer squad in 2023.
Perhaps GB considers trading Love prior to the draft?
If Rodgers plays in 2023 who is the QB in 2024? That's the problem. We'll be in the same position next year and Love will have a $20 mil cap hit and leverage. I don't think trading Love is an option. The similarities between Favre's exodus and where we are with Rodgers is amazing. Rodgers, in his 3rd season, had a coming out game against Dallas and the Packers gave him the ball. Nobody knew for sure if he could play, the Packers even used a #2 pick on Brohm in the next draft. Love had his coming out game against the Eagles as a 3rd year pro. Both guys were #1 picks lower in the round. Both guys sat behind HOF quarterbacks. Rodgers could even get traded to the Jets like Favre did. I think it's now or never for Love in GB. If it's never are we headed for another 20 years of mediocre QB play?
@Fandame posted:If there's one thing I can do, it's blame MLF for not having the balls to tell Rodgers to suck it up and run a play as designed/needed and "if you don't like it, take a seat." A HC has to be stronger than the strongest member of the team.
I was very disappointed that Love didn't get the opportunity to play last season when the Packers were essentially eliminated and Rodgers was banged up. Had he gotten that chance last season there would be a lot less speculation this offseason. We all knew even if the Packers ran the table and made the playoffs they'd play the #2 seed on the road anyway. That's what I blame MLF for.
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@Chongo posted:
You can say that again.
@Blair Kiel posted:I wasn’t a soccer player…I was a goalie.
I thought you were a groupie.
@PackerRick posted:If Rodgers plays in 2023 who is the QB in 2024? That's the problem. We'll be in the same position next year and Love will have a $20 mil cap hit and leverage. I don't think trading Love is an option. The similarities between Favre's exodus and where we are with Rodgers is amazing. Rodgers, in his 3rd season, had a coming out game against Dallas and the Packers gave him the ball. Nobody knew for sure if he could play, the Packers even used a #2 pick on Brohm in the next draft. Love had his coming out game against the Eagles as a 3rd year pro. Both guys were #1 picks lower in the round. Both guys sat behind HOF quarterbacks. Rodgers could even get traded to the Jets like Favre did. I think it's now or never for Love in GB. If it's never are we headed for another 20 years of mediocre QB play?
Either Rodgers, with Love likely being moved and a new heir drafted, or Love on his fifth-year deal. Moving on from Rodgers is a big gamble either way.
I don't think it's much of a gamble moving Rodgers. We missed the playoffs last year with him, I'm sure we can do that good without him. I think we already held on to the guy a year too long and lost any real trade value he had. Gute could have had the heist of the century last year. I just don't think there is any consideration in the FO to trade Love. The worst thing that can happen is if Rodgers returns to GB next season and Love sits.
A big gamble based on what? A possible playoff berth and early exit? That’s the ceiling with Rodgers. This isn’t a 13-4 type team.
@ammo posted:Only you and Kiel would want a fussball kicker.
Africans, right?
@Herschel posted:Either Rodgers, with Love likely being moved and a new heir drafted, or Love on his fifth-year deal. Moving on from Rodgers is a big gamble either way.
Either scenario we might want to think about drafting a new QB in the early part of the draft. Just in case the worst happens.
@Goalline posted:Africans, right?
The struggle is real.
@The Grinder posted:Either scenario we might want to think about drafting a new QB in the early part of the draft. Just in case the worst happens.
Let’s just hope it’s not Brian Brohm part 2.
@Chongo posted:
I was a hockey goalie. I used to put my gloves and pads in front of a dehumidifier as soon as I got home from a game. It helped keep the stink to a minimum. Once, driving home from Toronto immediately after a big tourney championship win, my teammates hid the 12-packs of LaBatt and Molson in the bottom of my goalie bag as all my gear was sopping wet and stunk to high heaven. No border patrol officer was going to dig through that funk. Good times.
I loved Molson Dry on trips to Canada. And Sleemans Cream Ale which we snuck back in by the case.
@Fandame posted:I was a hockey goalie. I used to put my gloves and pads in front of a dehumidifier as soon as I got home from a game. It helped keep the stink to a minimum. Once, driving home from Toronto immediately after a big tourney championship win, my teammates hid the 12-packs of LaBatt and Molson in the bottom of my goalie bag as all my gear was sopping wet and stunk to high heaven. No border patrol officer was going to dig through that funk. Good times.
As one goalie to another…we soccer goalies looked at you hockey goalies and thought you folks were crazy….and the smelly gear, Oy.
@vitaflo posted:Let’s just hope it’s not Brian Brohm part 2.
Interesting thing about Brohm was the Packers drafted him after AR played so well in Dallas (claim I've heard that the team was just looking for a quality backup strikes me as silly).
Moving on and seeing what Jordan Love actually has is the only correct move if you're interested in the long-term best interest of the franchise. Just hope the FO has the guts to make the correct call.