If only mental gymnastics was an Olympic sport, we would have some gold medalists here.
@BrainDed posted:Agree.. it should be less about stats and more about your standing in the era you played. Stafford and Ryan are not hall of fame worthy in my opinion.
Brady, Big Ben, Manning and Rodgers are who come to mind for me over the past 20 years.
To me the HOF is a reward for greatness not a hall of being pretty good. Ryan, Stafford, and Rivers have been pretty good but I don't think they have been great and stand with the Rodgers, Brady, Manning, etc. of the NFL. Will they get in? perhaps but as someone else said if they do they will have to wait for awhile.
@Floridarob posted:Aaron Rodgers agent is David Dunne. Jordan Loves agent is David Dunne. Can someone splain how the same agent can represent both players when one of his clients will suffer. I also read where Dunn negotiated a fully-guaranteed contract for Love when he was drafted. But if Dunn fully represents one of those two QB for the best deal available then the other client suffers. It makes no sense...
That's making the assumption that both guys remain on the Packers roster beyond 2023 which isn't likely. Love is on his rookie contract which probably is more or less the same no matter who his agent is. Rodgers has been among the highest paid players in the NFL for the past dozen years. Who is suffering right now?
@PackerPatrick posted:Good grief, I find myself actually reading this and wondering about it. Next, I will be paying attention to what the Kardashians and royals are up to. Shame on me!
I am still working on how to wave my hand like that.
@Floridarob posted:Aaron Rodgers agent is David Dunne. Jordan Loves agent is David Dunne. Can someone splain how the same agent can represent both players when one of his clients will suffer. I also read where Dunn negotiated a fully-guaranteed contract for Love when he was drafted. But if Dunn fully represents one of those two QB for the best deal available then the other client suffers. It makes no sense...
I thought about this too. If I’m Jordan Love there may be some conflict of interest but my agent knows everything happening with Aaron Rodgers. If I go with another agent I lose that inside Intel.
@Fond Du Arrigo posted:But, then again, I was since 2008. As were a lot of folks here. This is the sweetest victory for me since the SB against the Pats. So happy for #12 right now!
only effed up for 2 or three years.
And this is why women live longer than men! (I love how their friend just watches them take the plunge... 
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Any time my make friends think they are smarter than women I am just going to show them these types of videos.
There used to be a show called, World's Dumbest (fill in the blank). Hilarious show featuring lots of clips of people doing stupid shit. My wife made that comment, Fandame. She pointed out that 98% of the featured dumbasses were male. It's true. Hell, I did plenty of stupid shit in my youth. Me and my male friends.
@Harry Manback posted:There used to be a show called, World's Dumbest (fill in the blank). Hilarious show featuring lots of clips of people doing stupid shit. My wife made that comment, Fandame. She pointed out that 98% of the featured dumbasses were male. It's true. Hell, I did plenty of stupid shit in my youth. Me and my male friends.
I work with a lot of orthopaedic surgeons. One of them once told me that testosterone is the biggest thing that helps them pay for their vacation homes. Specifically, they said the overall order of things driving their business is testosterone, alcohol, and gasoline.
@michiganjoe posted:If risk-aversion was the reason AR didn't go to certain receivers (including basic checkdowns) then it certainly was a factor in the loss. The throw to Adams was just a piss-poor decision and you can attribute to to whatever you desire.
Bottom line: at crunch time with the game on the line the NLF MVP came up woefully short in the postseason (again).
Taking a look at that last play, San Fran's defense dictated what turned out to be a lousy play call.
1. Both outside corners blitzed. The LCB was picked up by Jones, the only other non-JAG receiver on the field besides Adams.
2. The RCB delayed, mucking up Lewis' release.
3. Lazard's route put him right in two linebackers' zone drops.
4. They dropped to single-high, and both outside receivers ran in-breaking posts to the safety, essentially giving double coverage to two receivers with three defenders.
Setting aside the OTs not holding up, best theory for routes from what we saw were:
A: Adams deep post. If safeties don't drop, or drop to a Cover-2 (most likely from formation), he beats his man as primary, adjusting route to coverage. ESB may be in position to block, but he's near last in the reads.
B: Jones running an out pattern. Adams clears behind him, with Lazard coming across, hoping to pull Jones' man up. Instead he got stuck picking up the corner blitz, taken out of play.
C: Lewis delayed release to the hook/curl/short area Lazard cleared or linebacker bit on his block "fake", but then had to account for delayed RCB blitz. He was the safety valve, essentially taken out of play.
D: Lazard clears left side shallow and hopefully crossing and drawing right side shallow. He also can turn upfield to block if Jones comes back in.
E: ESB clears left side deep. He can block if Adams gets free, as well, but he's the #4 or #5 read.
Best guess is first three reads were neutralized with no crease for Adams, no route at all for Jones and no safety valve in Lewis. It doesn't help when the Packers don't have a third viable option who can outrun San Fran's linebackers.
Really? Andy Herman, who grades every player on every play and was at numerous camp practices stated that that he is 99% sure that the route concept is designed for Adams to clear out the middle of the field and have Lazard be the primary target and he broke wide open with time for AR to throw to him .
"So they moved UP to draft Jordan Love but Aaron Rodgers has won back to back MVP's! Love has barely played but Rodgers is gonna be 40 soon. The cap situations sucks so its like, what do you do? I'm a partial owner so, you know they might ask me at the next shareholders meeting". pic.twitter.com/LM7iRPUpNG
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@FLPACKER posted:Really? Andy Herman, who grades every player on every play and was at numerous camp practices stated that that he is 99% sure that the route concept is designed for Adams to clear out the middle of the field and have Lazard be the primary target and he broke wide open with time for AR to throw to him .
If Lazard is the primary target, Rodgers goes to him, so I don't buy it. If that's his primary read then and with the pressure he was seeing he's not getting that many reads post-snap. The fact the middle bailed to single-high didn't appear to show pre-snap, meaning Lazard was looking to run through at least three defenders' zones if there weren't some keys. It's not like ESB is going to draw extra attention from defenders to clear the short and deep cover guys from that side.
Adams also ran a deeper post from the outside. Yeah, he's a stud receiver, but he'd basically have to be planned to draw both safeties a corner and a linebacker to the deep half to clear the middle for Lazard. Were he clearing the middle for Lazard you'd think a short post/deep slant/slug route would make more sense to draw everyone in, but again, he didn't break to the middle until deep.
So it may be possible, but I don't think it's probable. It makes more sense that Lazard was the clear out guy for Lewis to be the safety valve and more likely to also be in position to try and block for either Jones' backside or Lewis rather than an early read.
“I didn’t have a great night tonight,” he said. “They did a good job of kind of getting me off the spot and a better job of taking away some of the quick game that we got going the last time we played them, and I just missed a couple reads. I probably should have taken a couple hole shot chances at certain times, and then obviously if I hit Allen [Lazard] on that deep-in on the last drive, that probably gets out to about midfield and we’re a couple first downs away from being in field goal range, so I’m definitely disappointed by some of those decisions that I had tonight. So, yeah, I definitely take my fair share of blame tonight.”
Mental gymnastics on both sides of the AR debate .... example: to say a play call is lousy, when in that situation 2 receivers are open for explosive plays and the QB decides to throw it to another receiver who is well covered.
Get over it….AR, while solid did not produce when it counted, the D, while outstanding in this game did not get a stop when needed, the ST’s obviously stunk, the OL lineup was bizarre and head scratching.
It all matters.
@FLPACKER posted:Mental gymnastics on both sides of the AR debate .... example: to say a play call is lousy, when in that situation 2 receivers are open for explosive plays and the QB decides to throw it to another receiver who is well covered.
The defense made the play call bad, it was a really good call by the 49ers. It looked like they flat-out fooled the Packers. In the Rams game they tried something similar but the Rams were ready for it.
That said, if a deep post from wide right was supposed to clear out the short middle/left, that's definitely a questionable design.
@michiganjoe posted:“I didn’t have a great night tonight,” he said. “They did a good job of kind of getting me off the spot and a better job of taking away some of the quick game that we got going the last time we played them, and I just missed a couple reads. I probably should have taken a couple hole shot chances at certain times, and then obviously if I hit Allen [Lazard] on that deep-in on the last drive, that probably gets out to about midfield and we’re a couple first downs away from being in field goal range, so I’m definitely disappointed by some of those decisions that I had tonight. So, yeah, I definitely take my fair share of blame tonight.”
Right, but that doesn't mean he was a primary or secondary read, just that he found Lazard had been open on the play. You're trying to read in that he knew Lazard was going to be open but he didn't care in your zeal to make him the lone bad guy.
Acknowledging he didn't wait (got happy feet?), missed a guy breaking open or whatever is far different from what you're trying to portray. You basically are to the point where you think he was trying to tank the game.
My point was that the QB himself appears to agree with my assessment that it was a piss-poor decision.
Previous play was also a poor decision by AR. He had Deguara wide open for an easy checkdown and instead forced a ball to Cobb that should have been intercepted. Need the NFL MVP to step up in that critical game situation and he obviously didn't.
I don't care what happens. still not over the loss. just seems like whatever;whatever with this team - can't get over the hump, defense one year, offense one year, coaching - just ready for it to change. i am totally out of any offseason stuff right now and really could not care less about the draft and what they do right now, they have soured me that bad right now...still pissed.
@michiganjoe posted:My point was that the QB himself appears to agree with my assessment that it was a piss-poor decision.
He acknowledges he missed one. That isn't a nefarious plot to stick it to Packers fans.
You are obviously clinically insane and a danger to society.
@michiganjoe posted:Previous play was also a poor decision by AR. He had Deguara wide open for an easy checkdown and instead forced a ball to Cobb that should have been intercepted. Need the NFL MVP to step up in that critical game situation and he obviously didn't.
Was that before or after Deguara's terrible drop?
The drop that at least cost them 4 points?
@Fedya posted:Was that before or after Deguara's terrible drop?
In all fairness to AR, Degaura is beyond awful and wont be in the NFL for long.
Said it before and I'll say it again: if Deguara's drop caused AR to avoid him for even simple checkdowns it's a fatal flaw in his game and the team really does need to move on.
Need to trust your players and take what the defense is giving you. AR failed to do that on multiple occasions in the Niner game.
It's hard to understand why QBs sometimes ignore the obvious. I can understand rookies or young players not seeing or anticipating when a WR gets/will be open, but certainly not a 15+ year vet, especially an extremely talented one.
It has to be his job to throw to the (obviously) open guy (assuming there is one) no matter how a play develops. Catching is the receiver's responsibility.
Maybe my view is too narrow, uninformed, and/or totally wrong, but when ARod's "trust" crap supersedes team results, there's a problem.
@13X posted:In all fairness to AR, Degaura is beyond awful and wont be in the NFL for long.
In all fairness, you don’t know what you are talking about.
@michiganjoe posted:Said it before and I'll say it again: if Deguara's drop caused AR to avoid him for even simple checkdowns it's a fatal flaw in his game and the team really does need to move on.
Need to trust your players and take what the defense is giving you. AR failed to do that on multiple occasions in the Niner game.
He is playing office politics on the field. Can’t have that. If he only throws to establish vets(remember how often he forced the ball to Jimmy Graham) blow the team up and load up on Devante and a bunch of vets at the receiver position. Otherwise, move on.
When Higbee got hurt for Rams they were forced to play TEs that barely played during the season ... Stafford still threw them the ball. I posted an entry from Belichick's book where he went days in training camp NOT allowing Brady to throw the ball to Branch , making him throw to everyone else .... keep the game simple; throw to who is open.