Aaron Rodgers traded to the NY Jets

@Harry Manback posted:

Bigger cap helps, for sure.  If we go with the all in approach, I think we'll need to get instant help in a couple key areas.  First, get a legit #2 receiver in FA.  Not sure how much this would cost or who it would be, but we don't have time for a rookie to develop if we're going for the SB win next season.  We need to draft one high this year though.  Second, we need a legit D-lineman better than Northwestern.  Again, no time for a rookie to develop, so we're probably looking to FA for that too.  I'm hoping Slaton improves in year two, which would help.  This is the other position we need to draft high this year.

I am definitely on board that they need to address the WR position by any means necessary.  I also think they need to look long and hard at upgrading the TE position.  Who knows what Tonyan will be like when he recovers or how long that will take so I think they need to find a guy who can stress the defense up the middle.

As a well known critic of Gary I’m glad he’s finally coming around and becoming a very good pass rusher.  But you should get that type of performance from a guy taken 12th overall.  

No, OLBs don’t catch passes.  But elite pass rushers are the best way to combat QBs.  Next to 99 in LA, there isn’t a more dominant disruptor in the game than 90 in Pittsburgh.

I’m pretty certain Gute doesn’t sign both of the Smiths had they taken him.  It’s also possible they didn’t need to take Gary.  Perhaps not even Stokes this past year to make up for King’s shitty play.  Imagine the possibilities of having 100M, possibly a top 15 pick, and maybe the Stokes pick to upgrade the offense?  They certainly would have beaten Brady last year and maybe advanced again this year.  That’s independent of wasting the pick on Jordan Love.

@ammo posted:

If it was only one pass.  But continueing to force passes to Jones and Adams while ignoring the rest was more than one pass.

For the 115th time we get to re-live Ammo's cointinuEing campaign to blame the NFL's 2021 NFL MVP Aaron Rodgers for all the Pack's ills.

Rodge did not have a good playoff game against the Niners (though he was better than Garoppolo just like he was better than Brady in last season's playoff defeat).

We get it, the FRONT OFFICE is infallible, Mo Drayton and the coaches can't be blamed, and Rodgers, Rodgers, Rodgers is the reason the Packers have not been to a SB since 2010.

Give it a rest.

It was a team effort

Tell us how you really feel Bob McGinn- This is Skip Bayless type of hate. AR must have really pissed Bob off when he covered the Packers. From Bobs end of year ratings. ......

Given his mediocre level of play in 11 postseasons and merely one Super Bowl appearance in 14 years as a starter, he ranks as one of the more overrated quarterbacks in the history of professional football. The 49ers, the Cardinals, the NFC’s best year after year have owned him in the postseason. He and his apologists have run out of excuses. Perhaps the most appropriate way to characterize Rodgers’ 17-year career is post-season loser. Grade: B-plus

A bit harsh.

Well, in the playoffs Rodgers probably is a B-

Regular season?  It’s an easy A or A+

Two consecutive MVP seasons and one total playoff win. Bob's critique is both harsh and accurate.

It's a team sport, with 21 other starters.  If we're talking Rodgers' career, the defense has let the team down far, far, far more times than Rodgers has.

Not sure that’s completely accurate.  Meaning the defense has let them down more than the offense or him.

Rodgers was brilliant in two playoff games against AZ.  The first game against the Falcons he was awesome.  He was very good against Pittsburgh in the SB.  

Beyond that?  He’s been pretty mediocre.

The defense won the game against the Bears in 2010. They also shut down Philly in the first game that year.   The Seattle debacle in 2014 and obviously this year against SF the defense was really good. 

Rodgers is 11-9 as a starter in the postseason. 

Four of Rodgers' playoff losses were in games that went to overtime, and in three of those losses the Packers did not have an offensive possession.

Wouldn't "post season loser" at a very minimum mean you've lost more games than won in the post season? 

I'm not an apologist either but these stats are these stats.

@michiganjoe posted:

Two consecutive MVP seasons and one total playoff win. Bob's critique is both harsh and accurate.

Here is a link to all of McGinn’s individual ratings for the Packer offense. Wasn’t paywalled. I can’t find fault with much that he says.

https://www.golongtd.com/p/202...73E0sLi4&r=aravn

Just to note, Bob doesn't speak for all Bobs.  And his use of the word "apologist" tells me he has an axe to grind.  That's discussion board stuff.

@michiganjoe posted:

Two consecutive MVP seasons and one total playoff win. Bob's critique is both harsh and accurate.

It is if he would grade Dan Marino the same way.

@ilcuqui posted:

Here is a link to all of McGinn’s individual ratings for the Packer offense. Wasn’t paywalled. I can’t find fault with much that he says.

https://www.golongtd.com/p/202...73E0sLi4&r=aravn

Brutal. 

All QB's have lower QB rating scores overall vs. regular season (other than Bart Starr), because they are playing vs. better opponents. However, I read somewhere that AR's difference in regular vs. post season games is smaller than almost every other QB. I go back and forth with him .... maddening to see some of his decisions vs SF, but wonder does this happen with every QB regularly and we don't know it because it isn't on our radar?  

Peyton Manning had 4 MVPs and one super bowl win before he went to denver and won his 5th mvp and another super bowl. Did Peyton suck in the playoffs before he got the 2nd one.

@Thunderbird posted:

It's a team sport, with 21 other starters.  If we're talking Rodgers' career, the defense has let the team down far, far, far more times than Rodgers has.

True many times...not so much the last two years.

I know Bob took exception to AR saying he Owned the bears. Now in his comments how he says AR is owned by the leagues best. Looks like Bob has been sipping martinis with Hub Arkush. We get the dig Bob.

Stafford wasn't really considered a HOF QB before yesterday.  Now all of a sudden he is?  Same argument of individual accolades vs team accomplishments.

@Floridarob posted:

Peyton Manning had 4 MVPs and one super bowl win before he went to denver and won his 5th mvp and another super bowl. Did Peyton suck in the playoffs before he got the 2nd one.

Yes. He was Belichick's bitch.

@Floridarob posted:

I know Bob took exception to AR saying he Owned the bears. Now in his comments how he says AR is owned by the leagues best. Looks like Bob has been sipping martinis with Hub Arkush. We get the dig Bob.

Seriously.  What has happened to that guy? 

@DH13 posted:

Stafford wasn't really considered a HOF QB before yesterday.  Now all of a sudden he is?  Same argument of individual accolades vs team accomplishments.

Also, the fact that Stafford now becomes a HOF-level QB because he led a game-winning drive where he locked onto one WR and threw him the ball no matter what the coverage was is ironic.

@Dr._Bob posted:

Seriously.  What has happened to that guy?

The Packers have not been all that nice to him.

Seems to me I remember teh Packers took away his press pass after he retired from JSO. Bob probably felt he deserved a lifetime pass.

@RochNyFan posted:

True many times...not so much the last two years.

I think AR was playing not to lose the last two years rather than playing to win. That part of McGinn's analysis (avoiding interceptions at all costs) I agree with. Look at the Super Bowl on Sunday. Stafford had two interceptions - one of which was where the timing was off between him and OBJ's backup and the ball got batted into the air.

The other interception was on 3rd and 14 from around the 43 yard line. Stafford threw the ball into the end zone and made it a jump ball between his WR and the DB who made a good play on the ball. Rodgers tends not to take those chances as he'd rather throw the ball away or hold it for a sack than risk an interception. If it's third and long and no one's open why not take a shot downfield?

AR's playoff MO is to make sure he doesn't make mistakes where he can get blamed for losing the game. It also means he often doesn't aggressively try to win the game as much as he probably should.

@Floridarob posted:

Seems to me I remember teh Packers took away his press pass after he retired from JSO. Bob probably felt he deserved a lifetime pass.

Yes. He's the example I'm sure the current guys think of before they write anything negative about the team.

McGinn and Christl used to write stuff like this (see link). That would never happen today.

https://www.newspapers.com/cli...n-bay-press-gazette/

@Floridarob posted:

Seems to me I remember teh Packers took away his press pass after he retired from JSO. Bob probably felt he deserved a lifetime pass.

He retired from JSO and now he's a hack?  Sounds like JSO was making him look good.

Everything about Stafford is ironic

I posted this on another thread, but late in the 49ers game the SF defensive back dropped an easy INT.  The Niners were up 3 at the time and the Rams went down to tie the game.  

Sometimes it’s nice to be lucky and good.  Stafford was both in the playoffs.

@Tschmack posted:

The guy we passed on in 5 years has 72 sacks and 80 TFL.   What did this team pay for and draft to make up that colossal fuck up?

But hey, let’s bitch and moan

Oh, the irony...

@Tschmack posted:

Everything about Stafford is ironic

I posted this on another thread, but late in the 49ers game the SF defensive back dropped an easy INT.  The Niners were up 3 at the time and the Rams went down to tie the game.  

Sometimes it’s nice to be lucky and good.  Stafford was both in the playoffs.

Speaking of luck (and a play made by a superstar like Aaron Donald), Ramsey had fallen down on the 4th down play that Donald ended the game on. If the Bengals LG had offered any resistance at all to Aaron Donald, it's a walk-in TD by Chase.

@DH13 posted:

Stafford wasn't really considered a HOF QB before yesterday.  Now all of a sudden he is?  Same argument of individual accolades vs team accomplishments.

If he retired today he would be a solid no for me. But if he plays well into his late 30's I think you gotta give him the nod even if he never sniffs another SB. A lot of people think Rivers has a shot at the HOF and he's pretty much Stafford without a ring but an extra 4 years of accumulated stats. The only thing Rivers has on Stafford (assuming another 4-5 years for Stafford) is Pro Bowls.

@MichiganPacker posted:

Speaking of luck (and a play made by a superstar like Aaron Donald), Ramsey had fallen down on the 4th down play that Donald ended the game on. If the Bengals LG had offered any resistance at all to Aaron Donald, it's a walk-in TD by Chase.

Ramsay does seem to fall down a lot, especially when someone grabs his face mask.

Ramsey was not having a good day.

I wonder where that play was initially supposed to go.  Was it going to be home run ball or bust?  That would have been phenomenal.

@YATittle posted:

Ramsay does seem to fall down a lot, especially when someone grabs his face mask.

Ramsey does seem to pull on receiver's shirts when trying to defend in the endzone

That's fine if he doesn't alter the receiver's trajectory, ie slow him down or change his direction.  But he seems to fall down or flat out give up space more than he holds or interferes.

@PackerHawk posted:

If he retired today he would be a solid no for me. But if he plays well into his late 30's I think you gotta give him the nod even if he never sniffs another SB. A lot of people think Rivers has a shot at the HOF and he's pretty much Stafford without a ring but an extra 4 years of accumulated stats. The only thing Rivers has on Stafford (assuming another 4-5 years for Stafford) is Pro Bowls.

Someone posted a tweet im too tired to look up right now early this week. The jest was Stafford has never made All Pro, he’s only been to the Pro Bowl once, he’s never been an MVP, and he’s never been in the top 4-5 in major QB categories (e.g ratings) to lead his position in his career either. Prior to this year, I believe he won one playoff game.

In short, he’s not even close to be considered for the HOF and that includes having this SB win.

The NFL cannot water down the standards for the HOF. It should continue to be very hard to get into.

@MichiganPacker posted:

Yes. He's the example I'm sure the current guys think of before they write anything negative about the team.

McGinn and Christl used to write stuff like this (see link). That would never happen today.

https://www.newspapers.com/cli...n-bay-press-gazette/

This goes right along with the drafting Joe Montana.  Bart Starr's book had one version and the story by Christl was just the opposite.   Since it appears Christl has an axe to grind I trust the story in Starr's book.

Christl works for the Packers now. Axe to grind?  

@Tschmack posted:

No, OLBs don’t catch passes.  But elite pass rushers are the best way to combat QBs.  Next to 99 in LA, there isn’t a more dominant disruptor in the game than 90 in Pittsburgh.

That is how the Giants beat the Patriots twice in the SB.  A pass rush crew.