Had to be Brady. No one else got a vote.
edit: oops, could have been Kupp, too. I was looking at All Pro voting.
I often agree with Dunne's takes on 12, but it's a lot easier for a QB to be fearless when his No. 2 and 3 WRs are Robert Woods/OBJ, Van Jefferson, Tee Higgins, and Tyler Boyd as opposed to Allen Lazard and Marquez Valdes-Scantling. https://t.co/S2fOCMPSc3
— Michael Rodney (@PackersNotes) February 11, 2022
Something to think about with Stafford is he was damn lucky the SF defensive back dropped that INT late in the 4Q. I mean, it was a horrible throw and an even worse drop by the DB. If SF makes that play it’s very possible the miracle throw to Cupp never happens and Stafford is a choker once again.
Not sure we want to actually encourage more risk taking w/Rodgers. He just simply needs to play better in the postseason.
He was trying to pull off a Vincent Vega and not very well.
Maybe if he added the brain chunks it would've turned out better.
@DH13 posted:I often agree with Dunne's takes on 12, but it's a lot easier for a QB to be fearless when his No. 2 and 3 WRs are Robert Woods/OBJ, Van Jefferson, Tee Higgins, and Tyler Boyd as opposed to Allen Lazard and Marquez Valdes-Scantling. https://t.co/S2fOCMPSc3
— Michael Rodney (@PackersNotes) February 11, 2022
Every article that's ever been linked and I've stupidly read from Tyler Dunne borders on edge lord click bait material.
Have the Packers ever said, as they did last year: "We're not trading Aaron Rodgers?"
— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) February 13, 2022
That will mean a lot more than "We're prepared to pay him a lot."
Brandt not wavering in his prediction at all.
Maybe they're setting up the contract for trade.
The Packers aren't saying they won't trade Rodgers because they made an agreement with him that they WOULD trade him this season if that's what he wanted. It means nothing.
Last word (for now) on Packers/Aaron:
— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) February 13, 2022
In 2021 the team message was "We're not trading Aaron Rodgers."
In 2022 the message is "We want Aaron back, but it's up to him."
Very different, and very deja vu to end of Brett's time there.
Not really Andrew.
Brett played the retirement card and said HE wanted to move on, not the Packers. By the time Brett decided to un-retire, the Rubicon had been forded.
Then they had to move him to the Jets AFTER they committed to Aaron.
Packers are prepared to go all in for Aaron Rodgers in 2022, spending as close to the cap this year and spreading it into future years as much as possible, per sources. Saints used this approach for Drew Brees and Green Bay willing to deploy that model to further entice Rogers.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) February 13, 2022
Not sure why. Rodgers doesn't give a crap. He will continue to favre in the playoffs.
Joe Mixon threw more TD passes this postseason than the NFL's MVP.
— Rob Reischel (@robreischel) February 14, 2022
Not to mention, the same number of interceptions.
Albeit in a jack-handled sort of way.
I trust a lot of what Andrew Brandt has to say. Unlike the rubes in the media he actually knows what FO types are thinking along with player motivations.
The Rams won the SB with a $44.7 mil cap hit at the QB position and a QB who is 10-73 against winning teams. Football might be a team game after all.
— brian heintz (@bheintzskol) February 14, 2022
@Chongo posted:
AR: Where did you come up with this look for the NFL Honors Awards?
AR’s stylist: I was watching and lot of classic SNL, specifically “Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer”
I thought he looked like the missing third member of the Buschemi and the other guy duo in Fargo.
Or a Wes Anderson character.
he is coming back, the FO believes that we will only have a shot to the SB with AR - that's it. they are mortgaging the next decade or so to go all in 22-23...
No, they are going all in because they know Love isn't ready to be QB1 yet and they can use this as a face-saving move.
The spin will be they are going all-in because of 12...but is has very little to do with "let's do it for Aaron," and everything to do with the FO not wanting look like they fucked up drafting 10.
The FO wants 10 to be at least Kirk Cousins but they know he's not ready yet. They would love nothing better than to get 3 firsts for a combo of 12 and 17, and have 10 win 6-7 games...then you can load up on talent, shed a lot of salary cap burden and sell the fans "the future is bright with Jordan."
But that's why 12 will be back. Fans who hate him best wrap their heads around it.
@pkr_north posted:he is coming back, the FO believes that we will only have a shot to the SB with AR - that's it. they are mortgaging the next decade or so to go all in 22-23...
I doesn't have to be a decade in this day and age. 5 years? Sure, but that's with a capable FO. TT did it in 5 if you count the Favrian/Rodgers overlap.
It's going to be an uglier rebuild if they don't trade him and take advantage of a huge amount of draft capital. I don't care if they suffer a couple of years with Love, they'll have an opportunity to move on if it doesn't work out. Sure, it's been nice to be blessed with two HOF QB's over the past 30 years, but they've delivered two championships. Other teams have won with QB's like Jeff Hostetler, Trent Dilfer, Joe Flacco and Nick Foles. Noodle arm Eli Manning has won two! The additional salary cap hell in future years is going to be something they regret (or maybe not, as they will have likely moved on by then) for years. I just don't get investing a huge amount in someone who can deliver a division title, but then can't get you over the hump in the playoffs..... and who is approaching 40 and appears to be affected by January weather in Green Bay. And before everyone jumps in and blames the defense, which was correct from 2011-2016, the last two years have given him a chance - playing at home - with games in which defense has given him three TO's to work with in one, and another in which they gave up 6 points.
@Tschmack posted:I trust a lot of what Andrew Brandt has to say. Unlike the rubes in the media he actually knows what FO types are thinking along with player motivations.
It's also a different league than when he was in GB. Brandt certainly has insight few have, but if you just look at what's been said publicly...all of AR's teammates think he is coming back, the FO has said they want him back, and AR has had very positive things to say about the FO recently (after his spat with them last offseason).
There have been ZERO actual reports of the packers looking to trade, AR asking for one, or any talk about retirement AT ALL. The Packers may run a tight ship but any other team that may be trade bait would likely spill some beans somewhere and none have been, which says all you need to know about a trade.
Usually where there's smoke there's fire and all the smoke thus far have been about Rodgers returning next year. The only question is what the deal will be and when it will be announced. But he's not going anywhere.
Isn't AR in a position where he can demand the team do almost anything he wants them to because if they don't, he can take his ball and go home? Even if he doesn't want to retire, isn't that the hand he is holding? Can't trade a guy who retires.
I'm wondering what going all in is going to look like. Can they keep Adams too? Can they keep Campbell and Douglas who were key components to the defense? If Alexander returns healthy, as expected, they could probably part with Douglas if they had to. It would be tough though. You can't have too many good corners. Can they hit on a WR high in the draft and will AR throw to him? Can they pick one up in free agency since they're going all in? Does Tonyan return healthy? Can we hit on a TE early in the draft and will AR throw to him? Can they hit on a DT in the draft or in FA? Can you keep the Smiths too? If not, there goes a huge portion of the pass rush. Keeping the band together will be tough enough, let alone attempting to improve it.
@vitaflo posted:It's also a different league than when he was in GB. Brandt certainly has insight few have, but if you just look at what's been said publicly...all of AR's teammates think he is coming back, the FO has said they want him back, and AR has had very positive things to say about the FO recently (after his spat with them last offseason).
There have been ZERO actual reports of the packers looking to trade, AR asking for one, or any talk about retirement AT ALL. The Packers may run a tight ship but any other team that may be trade bait would likely spill some beans somewhere and none have been, which says all you need to know about a trade.
Usually where there's smoke there's fire and all the smoke thus far have been about Rodgers returning next year. The only question is what the deal will be and when it will be announced. But he's not going anywhere.
It's my understanding AR said he would make a decision by the start of FA and the FO has said they are giving him space.
I think the intentions have been stated but until AR says one way or another I can't imagine there would be much discussion about anything.
I think they can keep almost anyone they really want to keep. The question is what it does to the cap a few years down the road when all those voidable years and their cap figures show up.
@Harry Manback posted:I'm wondering what going all in is going to look like. Can they keep Adams too? Can they keep Campbell and Douglas who were key components to the defense? If Alexander returns healthy, as expected, they could probably part with Douglas if they had to. It would be tough though. You can't have too many good corners. Can they hit on a WR high in the draft and will AR throw to him? Can they pick one up in free agency since they're going all in? Does Tonyan return healthy? Can we hit on a TE early in the draft and will AR throw to him? Can they hit on a DT in the draft or in FA? Can you keep the Smiths too? If not, there goes a huge portion of the pass rush. Keeping the band together will be tough enough, let alone attempting to improve it.
Bigger cap. Adams camp states they've been in contact with the Packers for a while now. Douglas flat out said it wouldn't take much for him to re-sign with the Packers. Campbell isn't going to get some monster contract, definitely not something the Packers couldn't work with.
Z is gone. I could see P staying with a rework/extension. Then you have Gary. Jaire is Jaire.
You've got an oline that is solid and hopefully healthy. FA pick ups don't have to be blockbusters, they just need to be better than Lowry and Lancaster.
Rookie class is up to the FO. I'm not buying the bit about Rodgers never throwing to young guys when over the years he would keep going back to guys like Allison and ESB trying to help them develop. He even kept dropping bombs right into MVS's basket so he wouldn't have to actually locate the ball.
There are decisions every year. Going all in doesn't mean going after every big FA out there but it does mean fixing the obvious weaknesses.
@Henry posted:It's my understanding AR said he would make a decision by the start of FA and the FO has said they are giving him space.
I think the intentions have been stated but until AR says one way or another I can't imagine there would be much discussion about anything.
AR did say on the McAfee show that he understands what impact his decision will have on others and for the team as a whole and he will respect that and make up his mind fairly quickly. That means that if he decides by the start of FA that puts it about the first week of March.
After watching the game yesterday, the replacement of Northwestern seems to be vital.
Rebuilds are directly proportional to the quality of QB you have.
Two years ago the Bengals were the worst team in the NFL.
If the Packers thought Love was currently that guy, they'd be starting that era.
No knock on the FO...other teams have drafted QB higher and failed. Maybe Love will be the guy...but right now he isn't. That is why they team (reportedly) is making plans to move forward with making it work with 12.
@Henry posted:I'm not buying the bit about Rodgers never throwing to young guys when over the years he would keep going back to guys like Allison and ESB trying to help them develop. He even kept dropping bombs right into MVS's basket so he wouldn't have to actually locate the ball.
He also looked to Davante later in his rookie season and he delivered. Belichick complimented MM on how he used 17 in his gameplan to beat them in that game. IIRC he had some big catches vs DAL in the playoffs too. SEA may have shut him down though. Can't recall.
I think Rodgers new look is most similar to William Sanderson on Newhart (the guy that played Larry, with his brother Darryl, and his other brother Darryl).
@Henry posted:Bigger cap. Adams camp states they've been in contact with the Packers for a while now. Douglas flat out said it wouldn't take much for him to re-sign with the Packers. Campbell isn't going to get some monster contract, definitely not something the Packers couldn't work with.
Z is gone. I could see P staying with a rework/extension. Then you have Gary. Jaire is Jaire.
You've got an oline that is solid and hopefully healthy. FA pick ups don't have to be blockbusters, they just need to be better than Lowry and Lancaster.
Rookie class is up to the FO. I'm not buying the bit about Rodgers never throwing to young guys when over the years he would keep going back to guys like Allison and ESB trying to help them develop. He even kept dropping bombs right into MVS's basket so he wouldn't have to actually locate the ball.
There are decisions every year. Going all in doesn't mean going after every big FA out there but it does mean fixing the obvious weaknesses.
Bigger cap helps, for sure. If we go with the all in approach, I think we'll need to get instant help in a couple key areas. First, get a legit #2 receiver in FA. Not sure how much this would cost or who it would be, but we don't have time for a rookie to develop if we're going for the SB win next season. We need to draft one high this year though. Second, we need a legit D-lineman better than Northwestern. Again, no time for a rookie to develop, so we're probably looking to FA for that too. I'm hoping Slaton improves in year two, which would help. This is the other position we need to draft high this year.
I think Slaton could be a lot more if they quit using him like a hogger. I could see some mid-tier vets at DT being enough on the line if Gary continues with his trajectory but I do think getting another OLB in a deep draft makes sense.
I also think you can draft skill players that can contribute now. If you're going to throw money at Davante, likely the path they'll need to take anyways. Maybe Amari figures it out. That was one shit rookie season but who knows.
@MichiganPacker posted:I think Rodgers new look is most similar to William Sanderson on Newhart (the guy that played Larry, with his brother Darryl, and his other brother Darryl).
great show. you had to laugh every time he walked in and said that.
Amari did not look half bad when Love was throwing him the ball. But I have a feelnig AR was not in the frame of mind to help Amari take Cobbs job.
@Chongo posted:Rebuilds are directly proportional to the quality of QB you have.
Two years ago the Bengals were the worst team in the NFL.
If the Packers thought Love was currently that guy, they'd be starting that era.
No knock on the FO...other teams have drafted QB higher and failed. Maybe Love will be the guy...but right now he isn't. That is why they team (reportedly) is making plans to move forward with making it work with 12.
What does making it work with 12 actually mean? Bottom line is this was the best overall roster they have had since 2011 and they were one and done - at home - in the playoffs. They had homefield advantage last year and lost the NFCCG to a warm weather team. Two MVP years in a row, and then nothing in the playoffs. After watching him struggle in the cold against the 49ers, I don't see him getting any better as he approaches 40. Not sure I see this as a Cap or Gute issue any more....I am starting to wonder if it is a performance issue. Will Love be better...probability is 99.9% no, but they have to start moving in a different direction and the draft capital so many have theorized would be thrown their way makes dealing him seem to be in the best interests of the team at this point in his career.
This roster wasn't even close to the 2011 roster and that's the problem.
@Floridarob posted:Amari did not look half bad when Love was throwing him the ball. But I have a feelnig AR was not in the frame of mind to help Amari take Cobbs job.
Likely because the offense was pretty stripped down for both of them, which is just fine. I think Amari can be solid. Just hard to get a read after that turd festival of a season.