That 2007 Bears game really was incredible in a bad way. Favre had always been known as a tough guy, but on that day he looked old and mentally beaten by the conditions that day.
And that game was probably the beginning of the end of Jon Ryan’s days as a Packers punter. As bad as JK Scott looks at times, I never saw him have a game as bad as Ryan did that day. He also folded in those conditions.
@BrainDed posted:If the Packers were to trade Love this offseason, do they get a top 15 pick for him?
Top 15 second round if you are lucky.
@Timpranillo posted:Think about what Favre did here at this age.
The 1 top year he had with MM, 2007, I recall Favre saying he did more film study that year than he had in a long time.
Not a great year (66% comp, 28 TD, 15 Int, 4155 yds, 95.7 rtg), but he played within the system... until his nuts froze.
the dog scene from Joe Dirt comes to mind.
Was Pornhub up in 2007?
@Thunderbird posted:the dog scene from Joe Dirt comes to mind.
It’s pronounced Joe Dir-tay.
@YATittle posted:Hey, JERK, I'm thinking what's best for the team, if he's fine he'll prosper elsewhere and maybe we can use the players we get from that to win with Arod.
Rodgers is 37 now. Look how fast Brees went downhill as he aged and we are seeing it with Brady now. So if Love shows like he's"Got It" you want to trade him and maybe go back to Hunter, Tagge, Wright, etc. Or maybe you'd rather have T-Buscuit, Foles, Cousins, or Wentz. You make so much sense. The QB is THEE most important position on a football team, but let's trade a guy who may show promise if he is allowed to play. JFC, get a clue YAYA!!!!!!!!!!!
We had Taysom Hill.
Cut him.
I don't understand the urgency in playing Love or trying to trade him ASAP.
There have been countless times teams, including the Packers, have backups on the roster that rarely, if ever, play, other than pre-season games.
Then a decision is made when their rookie contracts are set to expire whether to attempt a trade, sign an extension, or let 'em walk.
There's no need to do anything different with Love.
When has Taysom Hill shown to be a good qb??
@GBFanForLife posted:When has Taysom Hill shown to be a good qb??
I watched his last two games. He's the real deal. Great athlete.
A "great" athlete isn't a good qb.
Hill may or may not be a "good" QB, but he's a perfect backup QB. Or close to it.
The Old SilverFox on Rodgers
Hill is in a system with a supporting cast that allows him to excel, and even then I wasn’t super impressed with his ability as a passer. He looks like all the other running QBs who are great at running, but mediocre throwing the ball. If he wasn’t in Sean Payton’s system I think his numbers would look poor.
Honestly, I'm surprised Favre hasn't already made this proclamation.
@Grave Digger posted:Hill is in a system with a supporting cast that allows him to excel, and even then I wasn’t super impressed with his ability as a passer. He looks like all the other running QBs who are great at running, but mediocre throwing the ball. If he wasn’t in Sean Payton’s system I think his numbers would look poor.
So you're saying head coach Sean Payton's system and the Saints' supporting cast/talent are the keys to Hill going 3-0 as a backup starter in 2020 ... and I would surmise are the same keys that allowed Teddy Bridgewater to go 5-0 as a backup QB for N.O. in 2019.
Interesting.
I wonder if the Pack going just 2-5-1 in 2013 and just 3-7 in 2017 after Rodgers went down were due in any way to then head coach Mike McCarthy's system and/or his supporting cast?
And as for Hill's (and Bridgewater's 2019) numbers only looking good due to Payton's system, I wonder how the numbers for Seneca Wallace/Scott Tolzien and Brett Hundley (the Pack's backup QBs when Rodgers went down in 2013 and 2017, respectively) would look in that system?
Mike McCarthy's system and the supporting cast, yes. MM is not creative. He was solid with a ton of talent that won the SB. Also, he had Dom in his peak season during his time in GB - see GD's previous breakdowns of Dom's shelf life/typical progressions from yr 1 and on...
Payton is a more creative OC than MM, but both only have 1 SB with HOF QB talent.
@YATittle posted:He might be BUT if Rodgers is playing at this level right now, are we gonna trade him?
I don't know about you but I love using a first and fourth round pick just for the potential of trading the guy. There is zero chance of getting that same capital back.
I personally don't give a shit if they trade or keep the guy at this point. It never should've happened in the first place.
@H5 posted:Mike McCarthy's system and the supporting cast, yes. MM is not creative. He was solid with a ton of talent that won the SB. Also, he had Dom in his peak season during his time in GB - see GD's previous breakdowns of Dom's shelf life/typical progressions from yr 1 and on...
Payton is a more creative OC than MM, but both only have 1 SB with HOF QB talent.
More importantly, Dom had a TON of talent that was near its peak that year. He had Charles Woodson and two young UDFA DBs that turned out to be Pro Bowl level players (Shields and Tramon) in the defensive backfield along with a free safety who might have been on his way to the Hall of Fame had he not gotten injured the following year (Nick Collins). That was the best post-Lombardi defensive backfield the team has ever had. The Nick Collins injury may have cost them at least another Super Bowl had everything else stayed the same.
He had a great DL with peak BJ Raji (he had a 2 year peak but it was a very good 2 year peak), a good pass rusher at DE (Cullen Jenkins), and an underrated run stuffer (Ryan Pickett). And CM3 was at his best.
@SteveLuke posted:So you're saying head coach Sean Payton's system and the Saints' supporting cast/talent are the keys to Hill going 3-0 as a backup starter in 2020 ... and I would surmise are the same keys that allowed Teddy Bridgewater to go 5-0 as a backup QB for N.O. in 2019.
Interesting.
I wonder if the Pack going just 2-5-1 in 2013 and just 3-7 in 2017 after Rodgers went down were due in any way to then head coach Mike McCarthy's system and/or his supporting cast?
And as for Hill's (and Bridgewater's 2019) numbers only looking good due to Payton's system, I wonder how the numbers for Seneca Wallace/Scott Tolzien and Brett Hundley (the Pack's backup QBs when Rodgers went down in 2013 and 2017, respectively) would look in that system?
It's not one or the other. Hill and Bridgewater are CERTAINLY better players than Tolzien/Wallace/Young/Flynn/whoever else we've trotted out as backup starters, I don't think that's even a debate. Bridgewater alone was a starter prior to coming to NO and is a starter again. Payton's system is more tolerant of a backup QB because late-stage Brees isn't exactly a gunslinger, the system already relies heavily on timing throws and getting the ball in the hands of skill guys quickly. Those are things that even backups can accomplish. Ultimately I think the biggest issue was that McCarthy built his entire system around Rodgers capabilities, which is a house of cards. McCarthy asked his backups to run the Aaron Rodgers system which relied heavily on QB making good pre-snap reads, reading the defense mid-play and making the right reads based on receiver route adjustments. Had McCarthy simplified the offense, which is something even his defenders like me, were screaming for him to do I think we could have eeked out a few more wins. Ultimately I think everyone from the FO to the HC to the QB failed in that situation. If TT had signed a better QB to play, had MM been more open minded about what to run with new QBs, and if the QBs had played better it wouldn't have been such a disaster.
Dom Capers sucks
You suck.
Let's get it right. Zook, Slocum and Mennega suck. The others just became bad coaches.
Here's a stat that kinda blows my mind.
It took Brett Favre 61 games to go from 300 TDs to 400 TDs. In those 61 games he threw 83 INTs.
In his 193 game career Aaron Rodgers has thrown 88 INTs.
And if you're wondering - it took AR 49 games to go from 300 to 400 and he threw 14 INTs in those 49 games.
@Timpranillo posted:Here's a stat that kinda blows my mind.
It took Brett Favre 61 games to go from 300 TDs to 400 TDs. In those 61 games he threw 83 INTs.
In his 193 game career Aaron Rodgers has thrown 88 INTs.
And if you're wondering - it took AR 49 games to go from 300 to 400 and he threw 14 INTs in those 49 games.
And Favre remained consistent, once he got to 400, he threw 103 TDs over the rest of his career and threw 86 more interceptions.
Football is a pass first league the last 10+ years, much more so than the 90s. The QB is protected and DBs get called for sneezing on WRs. Taking nothing away from AR, stats have favored offense and specifically the passing game for a while now.
Aaron Rodgers makes surprise appearance on Prevea staff's Zoom meeting, thanks health care workers
I am loving Tonyan, takes the sting out of the wasted pick on Sternberger, just like the emergence of Lazard and Barnes makes up for Moore and Burks, other drafted non-contributors....
Let's just pretend our 3 keys UDFA's were the draft picks and the 3 draft picks were UDFA's. Packers 3rd round pick Robert Tonyan vs. UDFA Jace Sternberger. 3rd round rookie Krys Barnes vs. UDFA Oren Burks. 4th round pick Allen Lazard vs. UDFA J'mon Moore. That's a lot more palatable.
The draft is a crapshoot?
NEVER Mock the Belt. 2:20 Video is pretty fun to watch
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