Ah yes... the bandwagon fan accusations for those that aren't in the fanboy club. It really was only a matter of time.
Double secret probation for spelling riddens rong!
@Blair Kiel posted:Um, that’s riddens bub.
Yeah, wonderful "Bub"
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I don't spell things wrong in an attempt to bond with posters in a late 90's style fan forum. So, you will have to deal with riddance written with the correct spelling or you can choose to block me. Up to you kiddo.
Getting back to the topic at hand...Brian Gutekunst..
I mentioned earlier that I felt Gute is a Top 5 GM in the league...
My top 5 NFL GMs
Howie Roseman- Eagles
Brett Veach- Chiefs
Brian Gutekunst- Packers
John Schneider- Seahawks
Brandon Beane- Bills
@ammo posted:Wait....What....no Jerry Jones?
Nah, not Top-5. I'd have Jerry top 20 though. Probably would have to add Stephen's name in there. As Jerry has aged Stephen has taken over a lot of the decision making. At least he will save Jerry from himself more. For sure on personnel decisions.
@Pakrz posted:Ah yes... the bandwagon fan accusations for those that aren't in the fanboy club. It really was only a matter of time.
FFWYA, ignore the Vikings/Bears fan🤣🤣🤣
@FreeFromWhatYouAre posted:Sorry to burst your bubble, but I don't spell things wrong in an attempt to bond with posters in a late 90's style fan forum. So, you will have to deal with riddance written with the correct spelling or you can choose to block me. Up to you kiddo.
That’s so sad. That’s the only thing bringing me happiness in life.😢
@Goalline posted:FFWYA, ignore the Vikings/Bears fan🤣🤣🤣
No worries, he was the first one blocked. I can see his words only cuz you quoted him. They should be blurred when quoted as well. A glitch in the block feature.😋
And you can call me Free.😏
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Belichick is a helluva GM.
@bvan posted:Oh man, Henry would tear this guy a new one!
I welcome him. I don't have to agree with EVERYTHING he says but I want to read it. Welcome to the board Free. R-E-L-A-X !! 
@bvan posted:Oh man, Henry would tear this guy a new one!
not saying much. Henry would tear his mother a new one if she posted here.
@The Grinder posted:I welcome him. I don't have to agree with EVERYTHING he says but I want to read it. Welcome to the board Free. R-E-L-A-X !!
Thanks! Looking forward to reading more of what you have to say as well.
I have a question for you to bring this thread back on topic hopefully.
Is Brian Gutekunst a Top 5 NFL GM in your opinion?
I love the FNGs that come aboard WFO.
New opinions are always welcome, but leave attitudes at the front door.
@Timmy! posted:I love the FNGs that come aboard WFO.
New opinions are always welcome, but leave attitudes at the front door.
and make it a point to ignore the attitudes that are already here.
@FreeFromWhatYouAre posted:Thanks! Looking forward to reading more of what you have to say as well.
I have a question for you to bring this thread back on topic hopefully.
Is Brian Gutekunst a Top 5 NFL GM in your opinion?
It appears so. The next 3 years will be telling.
@Timmy! posted:I love the FNGs that come aboard WFO.
New opinions are always welcome, but leave attitudes at the front door.
Not sure what you mean by "attitude" but I won't be changing anything for you or leaving anything "at the door."
Thanks for the welcome anyhow!
You don't need to always get along to be successful.
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@FreeFromWhatYouAre posted:Thanks! Looking forward to reading more of what you have to say as well.
I have a question for you to bring this thread back on topic hopefully.
Is Brian Gutekunst a Top 5 NFL GM in your opinion?
As far as what I say here ,some times they think I am a Jeenous some times not so much. As far as Gutekunst goes, some times I think he is Top 5 other times not so much to be truthful . I love X-4 but no one here is as perfect as you and I !!!!! 
There really are a lot of good opinions here ,enjoy the ride.
@Goalline posted:It appears so. The next 3 years will be telling.
So this draft class is huge to you? I assume you said 3 years because that is how long it takes to fully evaluate how good a draft class was or wasn't.
Gute has already proven to me that he is one of the best at putting together a roster. I have no doubt there will be at least 4 impact players out of this draft class. I think 4 that will have day one impact this season. I don't need to wait 3years.
If the goal is to build a Super Bowl roster, well he hasn’t done that yet. He has come close enough to have earned the top 5 nod, but he also had some influential Ted Thompson players on the team. For the next 3 years the team is essentially all his.
@Goalline posted:If the goal is to build a Super Bowl roster, well he hasn’t done that yet. He has come close enough to have earned the top 5 nod, but he also had some influential Ted Thompson players on the team. For the next 3 years the team is essentially all his.
Gute became GM in 2018. The Packers were a 6-9-1 team that season with Aaron healthy and no broken fingers. The roster was not good, and the right coach needed to be hired. Gute put together a Super Bowl caliber roster and was instrumental in hiring LaFleur along with Mark and Russ. The team won 13 games in the regular season for 3 years in a row. The roster Gute built was not reason the team didn't get to the Super Bowl. One reason was that the QB didn't show up when it mattered in playoff games. The offense struggled against quality defenses in the playoffs. The special teams lost a playoff game in 2021. We can lay blame for the above on a few people, but none of them are named Brian Willis Gutekunst.
I thought the 2022 Packer draft was off the charts exceptional. We don't know much about the 2023 draft but if Gute can string together a few drafts like last year, GB will be in business.... IF Love is that guy.
Top GMs: I think you have to give consideration to the Bengals and Niners as well.
Bengals and 49ers only have highly rated gms because they were drafting top 5 year after year and their blind squirrel gms finally hit on a couple great players.
Getting three additional tried round picks in a draft doesn't hurt either, but that is good GM'ing too.
@Boris posted:He's a better coach than drafter. He fixes drafting mistakes with FA though.
Gutey has done a nice job so far. 2023 draft and especially next year's draft we need impact players.
This is why I don't buy in on leaning into the "BB wanted Van Ness, he must be great!" narrative. His track record on RD1 hasn't been very good. I'm not bagging on the pick but BB's interest in him may not be the measuring stick some think it is.
He drafted N'Keal Harry. No good.
He also drafted Richard Seymore
The draft is a crap shoot. Sometimes you win sometimes you lose, but the fact the Patriots traded down as soon as the Packers selected, tells me the Packers drafted the right player in the correct slot.
We've been told somewhere between 13-15 players in this weak draft with a first round grade. Something tells me the Packers got the last player that most teams thought has a first round grade.
Whether VanNess booms or busts they did the right thing at the time with the information they had. That's all you can do in the draft.
Hercules can't "bust" can he?
Tony Mandarich didn't look like Van Ness when he showed up in Green Bay. Mandarich looked like he didn't belong from the jump. I say that cuz I know someone may bring up Mandarich.
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@Floridarob posted:Bengals and 49ers only have highly rated gms because they were drafting top 5 year after year and their blind squirrel gms finally hit on a couple great players.
Kittle was not a high round pick.
@FreeFromWhatYouAre posted:Hercules can't "bust" can he?
Tony Mandarich didn't look like Van Ness when he showed up in Green Bay. Mandarich looked like he didn't belong from the jump. I say that cuz I know someone may bring up Mandarich.
Mandarich was a bust from the time he arrived in Green Bay because he pumped enough steroids into himself in college to bulk up a racehorse. NFL testing was more stringent than college and without the roids he was probably the equivalent of a 5th round pick talent-wise.
https://profootballtalk.nbcspo...-draft-bust-status/#
His bust status was worse than most because he was drafted among a group of generational prospects that were about as close to can't miss as you can get.
1. Aikman
2. Mandarich
3. Barry Sanders
4. Derrick Thomas
5. Deion Sanders
Those other 4 guys were not crapshoots. Deion was the 5th pick and he had just run a 4.27 40 at the combine without even bothering to warm up beforehand.
@YATittle posted:Kittle was not a high round pick.
Kittle is a great TE, but the Niners real strength is in their DL and they've heavily prioritized that position group with their high draft picks.
@FreeFromWhatYouAre posted:The roster Gute built was not reason the team didn't get to the Super Bowl.
The special teams lost a playoff game in 2021.
We can lay blame for the above on a few people, but none of them are named Brian Willis Gutekunst.
Someone traded a 7th round draft pick for punter Corey Bojorquez in 2021.
Bojorquez turned out to be utterly incapable of holding for Mason Crosby and thus Mason had several kicks blocked during the 2021 season. The Niners also had a crucial FG block right before the half in the 2021 playoff loss. Bojorquez was not invited back in 2022.
During that same 2021 season, someone promoted Steven Wirtel to become the Pack's long snapper and "during the Packers playoff loss to San Francisco, it was Wirtel who was overpowered by Jordan Willis on the blocked punt that gave the 49ers the lead. Wirtel ended the season as PFF’s third-lowest graded long-snapper." Like Bojorquez, Wirtel was not invited to return to GB in 2022.
Wirtel replaced another failed long snapper named Hunter Bradley just like Bojorquez replaced a failed punter named JK Scott. Someone drafted failures Bradley and Scott.
Someone also used Green Bay's 2021 3rd and 4th round picks on return man/slot WR Amari Rodgers. After a horrendous rookie season, Rodgers was invited back to GB and proceeded to lead the NFL in fumbles in 2022 ... as a return man who saw almost no action at WR ... before he was released halfway through the season and after costing GB at least 1 potential victory as the Pack finished 1 game out of the playoffs.
Lots of reasons for the Pack's failure to reach a Super Bowl under the current GM (and for 7 years under the previous GM) including the QB, Head Coach, and the entire approach to the defensive side of the ball, but I think we can all agree that the mysterious someone who saddled the Pack with some of the worst STs "talent" the NFL has ever seen in 2021, which shockingly led to the worst STs unit in the NFL that season, cannot possibly be held responsible for the product on the field and that the buck stops elsewhere.
