Bombshell: Brian Gutekunst is our new GM.

@packerboi posted:

We do what we do. ™

Many others have pointed out it also helps in this instance that GB has no owner. There is no blowhard like a Dan Synder, Jerry Jones, Jim Irsay, etc getting in either Brian's ear or before that Ted and demanding he takes X or Y player.Very few owners would have thought it was fine to take Aaron Rodgers in '05 (23 teams passed on him) or Jordan Love. The Packers selected a QB in round 1 who then marinated for 3 years. Again, even if an owner ok'ed the move, how many would have been fine letting a 1st round pick sit for 3 years?

@H5 posted:

   

The game will continue to get younger, and Gutekunst has eleventy picks this draft. Keep building for many runs at the Lombardi.

Has 11 picks, would like 12,13, 14... said on Monday that the success of the 1st/2nd year guys was because of opportunities.

Young man's game getting younger. Few players get a 3rd contract from the team that drafted them.

I won't be surprised if he takes a replacement for Kenny Clark in R1.

It won't surprise me but I think Clark deserves the 3rd contract

Ohio State DT Michael Hall is like Hasaan Reddick but a DT. He's a KILLER pass rusher, but he's undersized as a base down DL.

That works fine at Edge. I'm not sure what to do with him at DT but he's really disruptive.

— Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) April 24, 2024

@Satori posted:

One more comment on Gute:
When they asked him about use of the S2 cognition tests, he said they don't use them so much for deciding WHO to pick, but rather for HOW each guy learns so they can give them the support they need once they're in the building.

So, IOW, who needs crayons to learn the playbook?

Everyone loves a good list. Here are #Packers GM Brian Gutekunst's greatest hits. ⬇️https://t.co/gHv1EE38ec

— Bill Huber (@BillHuberNFL) April 25, 2024

If Gute pulls off another stunning draft this team is going to be very hard to beat moving forward.  I think he will.  

Not if listens to me and trades up to draft Joe Alt. 🫣😆

@Goalline posted:

So, IOW, who needs crayons to learn the playbook?

That's funny 😁 but also a sad state of affairs in how some folks will rip on a person that has a learning disability.

Rashaan Gary has dyslexia....doesn't mean he's dumb, he just learns differently than the average person. Helping them understand and working with them to learn, flips the switch & unlocks their considerable athletic talent.

THAT is what MLF was talking about and Jeff Hafley too. We are lucky to have such excellent coaches that have the patience to help the players as people first.

Gary is definitely not dumb.

I work with a lot of kids who have dyslexia. As a whole, they are actually really intelligent because they have learned how to compensate for their learning "disability." (I put it in quotes because by and large, they learn in so many other ways that many of us would not be able to.) I had a kid in ninth grade who couldn't read a lick. He had just been passed along and his rotten school behavior chalked up to emotional problems. Yet, he could listen to an audiobook while doing fantastic woodworking and be able to tell you themes, characters, specific instances, etc. He just had to hear something once and he was able to lock onto it. He also was lucky enough to afford and get private tutoring and his learning took off and his behaviors dropped. In addition, my wife has mild dyslexia and she's been a mechanical engineer with 3M for 30 years, and no one calls her "dumb." 

If the GB coaches can look beyond the standardized tests and see the intelligence and desire in guys who might not score well on written or writing tests, more props to them. And if they can present information in several ways to help everyone better understand what to do, then they can be a school teacher! 

Packers GM Brian Gutekunst on how he evaluates offensive linemen:

"People talk a lot about the length on the outside that you have to have, which I think you do. At the same time, if you're a good enough athlete and can move your feet, you can overcome some of that."

— Jason B. Hirschhorn (@by_JBH) April 28, 2024

To put it another way, if you’re good you’re good.

Or as Mae West said, "When I'm good, I'm very good; but when I'm bad, I'm better."

Might have just been coincidence, but it seemed like several times teams were desperately jumping the Packers worried Gutekunst was about to take their preferred pick when he had no intention. The game within the game.

Brian Gutekunst addressed three major #Packers needs without spending extra capital or going against the consensus.

Read more from @MattHendershott below:👇https://t.co/5UrtgvOTff

— Zone Coverage (@ZoneCoverageMN) April 30, 2024

@Benzene posted:

This doesn't make a lot of sense. "We see this all the time"? I may be missing some but I can only think of 3 OL that Gute has drafted in the first 3 rounds. One of those is a pro-bowl caliber player (Jenkins) but I don't remember anyone being upset over that pick. The only other that is potentially pro bowl level is Tom but he was drafted in the 4th and I'm pretty sure no one was upset about that one. Myers was a questionable choice not because of his position but because Creed Humphrey was rated higher and has turned out to be a much better player. Strange post by Zach Jacobson.

Cool graphic below on the Packers vs NFC North teams in terms of QB value

AV= Approximate Value and is a metric from Pro Football Reference that measures a players value each year they are in the league.

Jordan Love after 1 season of starting is at an AV of 18, if all goes well he should eclipse Majik man in a couple years.

Wolf bet his career on Favre
Ted bet his career on Rodgers
Gute bet his career on Love

For reference, here's AR's list of AV by year, he had between 18-23 during his MVP seasons.

https://www.pro-football-refer...ayers/R/RodgAa00.htm

That is an interesting graphic I have never seen before.  You would think CHI's would be a lot more red than MIN's.

But boy howdy the difference between GB and the rest of the north... so spoilt!!!

Packers have made a lot of picks over the last 3 drafts

35 to be exact- and the most of any team in the NFL. See below from ACME Packing Co. Some interesting notes on the NIL effect

No NFL team has made more draft picks than the Packers since 2022

https://www.acmepackingcompany...4-covid-nil-most-nfl

@Benzene posted:

The last all pro on the line was drafted in 2019.    What are you talking about, Zach?

All Pro caliber players don't necessarily make All Pro. That's a pretty small elite group of guys but they are not the only elite players any given season.

I think he's saying All-Pro "caliber" not necessarily All-Pro accolades aka on the All-Pro team.

Zach Tom was All-Pro caliber last year at RT

The #Packers went into this year drafts with only a few very clear needs.

• Safety
• OL
• LB

So what did Gutey do?

Drafted 3 safeties, 3 OL, and 2 ILBs.

Love his volume drafting approach. pic.twitter.com/AjBgJ1vPCM

— Eli Berkovits (@BookOfEli_NFL) May 4, 2024

Worked at WR past two years.

Kinda goes against the grain with the BPA mentality, though.

Drafting BPA ain't Highlander.

I have always said that both Ted & Brian bring their positional needs shopping list to the draft.  Sometimes it isn't as easy to figure out.  But they will always say BPA - maybe at the position of need, but not usually overall. 

@Boris posted:

I think he's saying All-Pro "caliber" not necessarily All-Pro accolades aka on the All-Pro team.

Zach Tom was All-Pro caliber last year at RT

Either way the post doesn't make sense as he says it happens "all the time". It doesn't.

@PackLandVA posted:

Kinda goes against the grain with the BPA mentality, though.

BPA is a lip service process. No one does it.

@Goalline posted:

BPA is a lip service process. No one does it.

Depends what you mean by "BPA."

It's false if you assume one man's BPA is every other man's BPA.

But if by BPA you mean the best player on the team that's picking board, that can absolutely be accurate. They are taking their highest valued player...the best player available according to the decision maker(s).

@Chongo posted:

Depends what you mean by "BPA."

It's false if you assume one man's BPA is every other man's BPA.

But if by BPA you mean the best player on the team that's picking board, that can absolutely be accurate. They are taking their highest valued player...the best player available according to the decision maker(s).

I don’t believe any of these GMs. They all pick for need regardless of how we define the term BPA.

Don't GMs below the first few rounds put players in groups of more or less equal BPA, and then take a player who's both in that group and fits a position the team can use?

I'm glad Gute isn't picking the players who are best for other teams.

@Fedya posted:

Don't GMs below the first few rounds put players in groups of more or less equal BPA, and then take a player who's both in that group and fits a position the team can use?

Yes. I question the honesty of that methodology.

@Dr._Bob posted:

I'm glad Gute isn't picking the players who are best for other teams.

I don’t think that is what Fedya meant but he should probably speak for himself. Lord knows, I can barely speak for myself. 😊

I wasn't specifically responding to Fedya, just saying that best player available is in the eye of the drafter.  A player that fills a need or fits a scheme is naturally going to be graded higher.

You are absolutely correct. More to the point, we have no idea what any teams’ board says. Yet another reason to ignore all that talk about reaches or steals.

Agreed. Except for Love, he was a steal.

@H5 posted:

   

Agreed. Except for Love, he was a steal.

After the fact there are lots of steals and reaches.😊