Tagged With "TT"
Topic
Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
I wrote this off the cuff in the Chicago game day thread. I think this is a solid topic of discussion so everyone can get their beef out and move on. While the ongoing corpse horses will continued to be beat, flayed and made into horsemeat with pickle relish sandwiches, I figured Poppinga's comment was a really good jumping off point to take a 30,000 mile view and get out some of the angst so we aren't pissing all over game day threads with annoying, political like statements of past and...
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
I will also add this. GnarlsCankles FA splurge was a necessity, not the reaction of some new GM trying to reinvent the wheel. I do think he will go back to a draft/development philosophy but with a much more surgical approach to FA. I'm very excited to see what a TT/Newsome influenced front office can do.
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
My shock from the video was that Cowturd had anything positive to say about the Packers and 12.
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
The facts is TT had been basically a failure at drafting defense for a number of years. Since 2010 he’s drafted one legitimate defensive starter for the team: Kenny Clark. Mike Daniels would have been even with some of his mental lapses and physical limitations, but he had to pay to many snaps and wore down because there wasn’t enough talent around him. Hayward may have been, but he was tossed aside. Hyde was a zone safety he drafted to play man corner. Kevin King might be good if he could...
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
Funny things can happen to our hearing when emotions are running high. Brady was being let go in that moment. What he said maybe true, but I agree there maybe some missing context. I reject the idea the defense has only been addressed for the last two years. They just sucked tremendously in their efforts the years before. Additionally, is Nagy a genius? Genius?
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
Yeah, that title is just absurd. New and fresh, for now.
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
I would say TT simply did not fill in the gaps, so any talent that was drafted was playing on an island. That may be the most negligent part of TT's approach. I think failure is an overly strong term.
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
(I was typing this while Herschel wrote his reply, so somewhat duplicative...) I disagree with Poppinga that was TT's approach, because despite what he may have told Brady, if you look at his draft picks (which is how TT thought a team should be built) it was spent overwhelmingly on defense. In the first four rounds, 17 of the 24 picks were spent on defense. The problem was player selection, because the results were very poor. The only star has been Kenny King. Mike Daniels was productive...
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
I'm going to pull out the Michael Rodney card (sort of).... A few years ago I said "The truth always comes out eventually." Sometimes it takes a couple years but it always comes out. Always. Let's go back to when Woodson was given his release, CW had a problem with the defense mentioned it a little bit. The powers that be didn't like that. Woodson, as a leader in that locker room, should've been given more lee-way. The Jan 2013 debacle vs. the Niners, Dom should've been let go. McStubborn...
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
I was more shocked at how complimentary Cowherd was toward GB versus anything Poppinga had to say. I was a big TT fan and still think he deserves a lot of credit for what the team accomplished but also think they could have and should have done more to maximize Rodgers performance. Not signing free agents or being more aggressive in upgrading the roster comes to mind. Still, the biggest failure I see is their inability or willingness to make moves on Capers and MM sooner than they did and...
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
CWood knew Dom was the problem.
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
Extremely skeptical of Brady's recollection of events. Biggest issue I saw (yes, defensive drafting wasn't great) was the blind spot MM had for Dom Capers.
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
Lowry and especially Martinez aren't role players. Lowry is a stout DL that does his job well. Martinez is bordering on becoming a stud MLB. The kid is all over the place and is productive. Realizing there's more to things than stats, you're talking about 25 year old kid starting his 4th NFL season. Last year, he had 144 tackles and 5 sacks. Against the Bares, he led the team with 7 tackles and threw in a sack for shits and giggles. I'm not saying he's Dick Buttkiss, but that kid is the real...
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
TT was a genius at drafting, until he wasn't. He hung around the organization several years beyond his expiration date because he was Ted-****ing-Thompson. Same goes for MM, Dom, etc. Allowing that shit show to continue for several years while wasting away several of Rodgers' prime years is a complete organizational failure. Hopefully Gute and the boys can salvage the next 5 years of Rodgers' career and win some more trophies. I like what I'm seeing so far. I'll say this about Rodgers...
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
Has Poppinga gone full Greg Jennings? Would the media even know who the guy was if he wasn't talking about the Packers and Aaron Rodgers? He's the kind of marginal talent that Gute seems determined to sweep away. Because of that, I'm hopeful.
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
Poppinga is an idiot. He basically called Kyler Fackrell garbage before last season. Fackrell, the guy who had twice as many sacks in 16 games as Poppinga had in his nondescript 8-year career.
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
The organization kept MS too long also. He can't coach at this level. But they thought he could. The only time the brass acted swiftly was with RR.
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
Angst? Beef? Are you sure your not talking about:
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
The Board and Murphy ostriched it. The signs were there, big, flashing, neon, Vegas size signs. Dom for sure should have been gone after the SF failures, Mike after the debacle in Seattle. TT? It was obvious that his health was failing at least a couple of years before action was taken. We do have a great sledding hill tho. As Henry said, lets purge the past and look to the promising future. That's my beef and like Hank Snow I'm moving on. GO PACK!
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
TT had some brilliant draft picks. Rodgers, CMIII, Jordy, Raji, Nick Collins shit I could go on and on. Honestly he wasn’t a problem until Murphy fell asleep at the wheel and didn’t kick him upstairs earlier. Not to mention he was an integral part of the Packers rise in 90s. Poppinga has some good takes but he sort of came off like the jilted ex in that interview.
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
To be fair, wasn't Fackrell garbage before last season? I know a lot of folks here thought he wasn't amounting to much.
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
The Packers won it all in the 2010 season. First 4 rounds of 2011 draft (after Poppinga's release): 1) Derek Sherrod, 2) Randall Cobb, 3) Alex Green, 4) Davon House CB Davon House and LB DJ Smith were the only defensive draft picks to make the team. Defense went #32 in the league with an early playoff exit, which *then* probably led to TT changing his mentality towards drafting for defense. I was confused why Poppinga was hating on Fackrell last year. Seemed like a pretty A-hole thing to do...
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
I have no idea if what Poppinga is saying is accurate or just peddling dirt to get some air time. However, I likewise think that truth will eventually come out about what happened in Green Bay after the Super Bowl win. Remember, there was a time, not too long ago, that those questioning Thompson's acumen as Packers' GM (and McCarthy's coaching ability to an extent) in the years after the Super Bowl victory were met with incredulity, at best, and more often with scorn and hostility from the...
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
Mike Sherman....Ray Rhodes?
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
Drafting, no matter the organization, is a crapshoot. TT had some high rounds hits.....and misses. He had some late round magic and some JAGs. He hit on some star free agents and whiffed on others (when he ventured into free agency). With regard to assembling a roster, he was always pretty good to great. The biggest flaw TT made during his tenure in Green Bay was not forcing the issue with McCarthy regarding Capers (and any ST coach). It was clear that Capers scheme was old and predictable.
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
The summary comes to this for me. TT took a smart, common approach used by a handful of teams of draft and develop and took it to an extreme. I think he kept chasing after a formula that he could never reproduce. The combination of his drafting getting worse towards the end just compounded it. If anything, TT was too soft. He didn't like cutting players so I can only imagine it would be 10 times worse when it came to McVince. McVince obviously checked out after 2014 but that doesn't explain...
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
And too, gnu not new.
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
This is for Henry. Cheers fellow Packer fan. I do not believe there is any one reason the "Past Regime" failed to get back to a second Super Bowl. Certainly, Mac deserves much of the blame, if not for his own failings on offense then for allowing Dom to do the damage he did on the defensive side of the ball and for all but ignoring special teams. Murphy also shares in the blame, but I recall that Harlan specifically set up the organization so that the team President's duties did not intrude...
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
Boris, No one wasted the FF years more than FF himself. The whining and crying after every season the last 5 years and the ****ing pussy with the hand warmers throwing an interception in the NFCCG against the Giants will never be forgiven.
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
Atta girl. Feel better now or do you need someone to hold you?
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
Poppinga literally says the convo he had with TT was when he got cut. I'm pretty sure he wasn't exactly in the right head space at the time regardless of what TT told him. Also keep in mind Poppinga ended the prior year on IR and only had 14 tackles in the 6 games he did play. He should have had a pretty good idea why he was getting cut, TT didn't have to tell him. That season (2011) the media talk during the season was all about the Packers having to outscore teams because the D wasn't...
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
As far as MM you can point to the exact game he was figured out. 2015, week 8 vs Denver. Denver's defense wrote the blueprint on how to beat MM's scheme. And every team copied it, MM never changed, and we all suffered. Consider MM's record with AR starting from 2009-2015 up until that game: 70-23 Now consider MM's record with AR starting from that game in 2015 through 2018: 22-22-1 Remember that's with AR starting , I'm not counting the games he was hurt. The problem is early success like...
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
Steve Luke nailed it.
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
Steve Luke needs a binkie and constant affirmations. Maybe he'll understand his posts read like manifestos (I've been wronged and someone has to pay) and take up a posting style like the self fellatiating novel he just wrote.
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
TL;No way is anyone reading that & you didn't write it. I had almost forgot about the Giants NFC CG debacle with puss boy FF. Thanks for reminding me, GBFanForLife
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
I think the context that's missing from Poppinga's comments is the personalization of his release. IOW, it wasn't "We're going in another direction", it was "We're going in a different direction without you ". I get a TMZ vibe from it where the dialogue becomes scripted, and the "production" is skewed to create sensationalism rather than reveal real facts. The show it was on must be considered first and foremost. The rest of the stuff I try not to get too excited about. No doubt I'll praise...
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
If I remember right poor Brady was nuttier than a squirrel turd from the day he started playing. Always seemed to me like his eyes were going in circles when he talked. He may not have the best memory these days.
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
I did. Why would you say he didn't write it?
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
Man, I remember that game too well. Wanted to write it off as a bad day vs a great defense but it really was a sign of things to come. After that game it was feast or famine. If Rodgers didn't play like a God the offense was just bad.
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
If you wrote it, I believe it. @SteveLuke didn't write that
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
I read it. I can't write anything that long. Unless you count the letter I recently wrote to the Illinois tollway system.
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
Can you post that here? If AB can post a private conversation with Gruden I think anything is fair game.
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
That tollway system cut you deep.
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
Steve Luke- some good posts!
Reply
Re: Parse out your angst about the past & present regimes (Poppinga's comments)
You promised to stop complaining so you just let someone else do it for you. Tricky.....