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GrainBelt66 posted:
Packdog posted:

Jared Cook signing with Raiders. 

Good signing for the Raiders.

they are building the Packers - west

a team that will be in the hunt year after year.

and in the face,even better.

in the afc there is only one team in the way.

the reign of the Patriots is almost over.

I heard Cook's deal was $12.2 million over 2 years fully guaranteed.   If so he needs to send about $2 million each to TT and .

Damaged goods:

MINNEAPOLIS -- The Minnesota Vikings announced that running back Latavius Murray, who signed a three-year, $15 million deal with the team on Thursday, underwent ankle surgery Wednesday in Charlotte, North Carolina.

The Vikings said in a statement that they knew about Murray's need for an operation before they signed him last week, and they added that they expect him to be ready for training camp. The surgery could mean, however, that Murray will miss most of the team's offseason program, which begins next month.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/...murray-ankle-surgery

I don't want to go into politics, but how do these type of guys keep getting signed without Kaepernick getting signed?

If I'm the Packers I'd much rather face Glennon or Sanchez twice a year than Kaepernick.

Kaepernick played for a lousy team last year and threw 16 TDs against 4 interceptions. He's not a star QB, but he's much better than a lot of the guys that have been signed.

It's a sad commentary that a player is probably better off beating his girlfriend (Greg Hardy, etc.) or someone otherwise committing a felony than silently protesting. These guys have a right to their own opinions whatever their beliefs are and I'd rather have a guy stand for something on principle (whether I agree with him or not) than a felon.

Goalline posted:

He has a right to protest and the teams have a right not to sign him in protest.

I honestly think it has way more to do with him as a player. He regressed significantly both physically and mentally the last couple years and he's 29. It's not like teams had time to do a tear down/rebuild job and get more good years out of him. He SHOULD be in the journeyman phase where he's already proven he's good enough to get the job done (Ryan Fitzpatrick), but not a long term solution. Between his skill regression and his likely salary demands I'm not surprised teams aren't beating down the door to sign him. The added media "controversy" is probably not weighing heavy on their decision, we've seen more controversial players than him find work because they had serious skill (Greg Hardy). 

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Fandame posted:

I'm not advocating signing him at all, but I think Kaepernick needed at least one year of MM's QB school... He would probably be a whole lot better than him landing in that mess in SF. 

But....but....didn't he have the greatest NFL coach and QB as is Head Coach his first 3 years in the league?  Harbaugh is all world, ya know!! 

 

MichiganPacker posted:

I don't want to go into politics, but how do these type of guys keep getting signed without Kaepernick getting signed?

 

I'm probably opening up the proverbial can o' worms, but the same question could be applied to Romo and/or Cutler.
Kaperdick has the advantage of age and mobility, but that's about it. 
Romo is a very good QB, but age, injury history, and salary are not on his side.
Cutler has experience and knowledge. I don't think he will ever be any better than he was with the Bores, but I'd prefer him in a backup role over Kaperdick any day of the week. NOT for the Pack, but Houston, Cleveland, Buffalo....

The only reason I would want Romo is if my starter went down on Week 10 and we were playoff bound.  The only reason I would want Cutler is if I am a Packer fan and someone in the Central needed a QB.  I could imagine Kaep working out for Houston or Buffalo and doing fine.  

It is also entirely possible he is Adrian Petersoning himself out of the market by thinking he is more valuable than he is.  

MichiganPacker posted:

I don't want to go into politics, but how do these type of guys keep getting signed without Kaepernick getting signed?

If I'm the Packers I'd much rather face Glennon or Sanchez twice a year than Kaepernick.

Kaepernick played for a lousy team last year and threw 16 TDs against 4 interceptions. He's not a star QB, but he's much better than a lot of the guys that have been signed.

It's a sad commentary that a player is probably better off beating his girlfriend (Greg Hardy, etc.) or someone otherwise committing a felony than silently protesting. These guys have a right to their own opinions whatever their beliefs are and I'd rather have a guy stand for something on principle (whether I agree with him or not) than a felon.

Because politics and the GMs/owners are ****ing cowards.

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MichiganPacker posted:

I don't want to go into politics, but how do these type of guys keep getting signed without Kaepernick getting signed?

If I'm the Packers I'd much rather face Glennon or Sanchez twice a year than Kaepernick.

Kaepernick played for a lousy team last year and threw 16 TDs against 4 interceptions. He's not a star QB, but he's much better than a lot of the guys that have been signed.

It's a sad commentary that a player is probably better off beating his girlfriend (Greg Hardy, etc.) or someone otherwise committing a felony than silently protesting. These guys have a right to their own opinions whatever their beliefs are and I'd rather have a guy stand for something on principle (whether I agree with him or not) than a felon.

IMO, Kaepernick was/is severely overrated for playing a somewhat college offense in the pros that was HEAVILY supported by an awesome defense and a pretty stellar OL and running game.  He was the perfect QB for that system, but the NFL quickly caught up...QBs in 2017's NFL need to quickly recognize pass coverage and have some sort of accuracy in finding the open receiver...two traits definitely lacking for Kaepernick.

This is just slightly different than owning your words and actions in this case.  When the supposed head of state uses you as a textbook libelous propaganda tool the very act of free speech starts to become tenuous.  Wise men and women who understand the power of the office will not excuse this kind of direct attack on the concept itself.  Yet, the complete and utter cowards of a obscenely rich industry with one of the most captive audiences on the planet and who employ the worst kinds of people without thinking twice are scared because a guy made a statement.

Kapernick isn't a very good QB but don't tell me for one instance he isn't better than half the clowns riding the pine on other teams.  People made their opinions known about Kapernick and more power to them.  The POS who is the head of state should STFU unless laws were broken.  Ali went to prison for his beliefs.  Kapernick wore a pair of socks that made people go pee pee. 

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The POS who is the head of state should STFU unless laws were broken.

Didn't stop Obama and Hillary from using the Benghazi attack to go against the First Amendment.  Both of them are POSes too.

And by your logic Ray Rice wasn't convicted of anything, so he shouldn't be blacklisted, either.

And I remind everybody I say all of this as somebody who's thought going back to 9/11 if not before that we shouldn't play the national anthem before sporting events.  People are claim to want athletes to stand up for their political beliefs really only want athletes to stand up for beliefs they agree with.

"It is also entirely possible he is Adrian Petersoning himself out of the market by thinking he is more valuable than he is."

Speaking of Peterson, I've read, in at least two articles, that the Packers might go after Peterson once  the draft is over. I thought that the talk of the Packers going after Peterson was all smoke and mirrors. Why does this kind of talk persist? I'm sure TT will draft a RB, so why do "analysts" think we need Peterson? Is Peterson's agent creating these scenarios? IMO, the last thing the Packers need is another often injured, fumble prone, prima-viking-donna mucking things up. I want all this "AP in GB" talk to go away!

Henry posted:
When the supposed head of state uses you as a textbook libelous propaganda tool the very act of free speech starts to become tenuous.  Wise men and women who understand the power of the office will not excuse this kind of direct attack on the concept itself. 

 The POS who is the head of state should STFU unless laws were broken.

I agree, Hank.   It shouldn't matter who the Head of State is in the White House.   They should not comment on specific cases in American life just because they do have that power.  I am reminded of all of those Democrat thespians that spew hate speech towards Americans during all those reward shows.    Or all those Democrat "comedians" who spew hate speech in the name of satire when it's really mocking.    (note:  I would use the term Far Left Liberal Democrats, but that's redundant, all Democrats today are Far Left LIberals...if not, then they aren't part of the Democrat party anymore....Hell, Clinton would be a Republican today.....but, I digress).

I agree Hank.   I didn't like it when the previous POTUS called the police "stupid" while doing his job in Cambridge, MA.  Then, had to invite him for a beer to apologize.  I didn't like it when the previous POTUS commented on that security guard shooting the teenager because he didn't know the facts of the case.  I didn't like it when the POTUS commented on the police shooting in Ferguson because he didn't know the facts.   I didn't like it when the POTUS told us a video caused the deaths of Americans when in fact it was a terrorist attack by ISIS. 

I agree, Hank.  I don't like it when any person who has the stage and microphone (with a captive audience) makes a political comment.    However, I don't agree with calling our leader a POS -  because that would be disrespectful, rude, and childish.....because any argument I was trying to make would be dismissed as petulant.  Every President is my president no matter the party affiliation.  I might not like it, but it is what it is and that's the American way.

More to the point:  Why do you ALWAYS do this in sports' threads, Hank?   

Maybe you have money invested in how many clicks TimesFour receives so you want to troll others in replying?  If so, then you win.

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What is all this crap about Kaepernick being a great QB whether or not in the right system.  He had a two great years until defenses caught up with him.  Capers had success early in 2015 when they were still running Harbaugh's system.  He never threw more than 21 TD's in a year (good INT stats for most part).  This, during a time of inflated QB stats.  Listening to Greg Cosell talk about him, he gets right to the point, he only works well with one call throws.  Defenses caught up with that.   Great QB's need to evolve as defenses change to try to stop them.  Kaepernick was unable to do that which is why he is little more than a footnote as a football player today.

 

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Fedya posted:

The POS who is the head of state should STFU unless laws were broken.

Didn't stop Obama and Hillary from using the Benghazi attack to go against the First Amendment.  Both of them are POSes too.

You're right and nobody is disputing that fact bringing in the two was an over reach.  The key thing here is:

a) It's not what we're talking about

b) Kapernick's statement vs. something that devolved into a witch hunt of partisan politics.  Let's try to keep perspective here.  Bringing in youtube video makers was bull**** but I'm pretty sure they walked away and weren't used specifically as a propaganda tool. Rather as a inept bandaid to attempt to stop any further possible violence against U.S. diplomatic stations in the globe.

So let's stop with this apples and oranges horseschit.

And by your logic Ray Rice wasn't convicted of anything, so he shouldn't be blacklisted, either.

You're a ****ing idiot.  Do you know how many abusers aren't convicted.  Yet you have a video of the whole thing and you use that bullschit fallacy of an argument.  Seriously, **** off.

And I remind everybody I say all of this as somebody who's thought going back to 9/11 if not before that we shouldn't play the national anthem before sporting events.  People are claim to want athletes to stand up for their political beliefs really only want athletes to stand up for beliefs they agree with.

Couldn't agree more.  Those deep thinking patriots have forgotten/never known the very tenants of our nation, which were hard fought so some ****stick can turn Merica into an authoritarian/militarist state.

So leave out the weak sauce garbage.

 Back to football before I put a Trump voter in a coma and tell him I shouldn't have to pay for his hospital stay.

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