Minnesota - April Super Bowl Champion every single effing year.
Pack88 posted:Again the trolls from the North talk about "great defense" was that the #1 defense that was torched for 6 consecutive quarters and outside of a miracle would have lost at home to the Saints. Isn't this the same team that traded several picks for a guy they payed major bank too so he could sit the bench in 2017. So forgive me if I am not impressed by your logic!!
Brees makes a lot of defenses less than average, but the Vikings offense shat the bed in the second half of the Saints game. I’d even say that, with Keenum, the more talented team lost that day.
The NFCCG was a total team meltdown. There’s no denying it.
Now, with that being said, if you don’t think 25 teams wouldn’t trade defenses with the Vikings in a heartbeat, you’re simply not being honest with yourself.
Brainwashed Boris posted:Minnesota - April Super Bowl Champion every single effing year.
Stop projecting, Bo. Nobody here is making that claim.
I think Jacksonville would be 1 of the 7 😁
I'm guessing MM didn't want him in the locker room and we gained a couple draft spots and a qb project to boot.
He had 1 year left of his rookie deal, we weren't keeping him after that. Keizer has 3 years on his. This is what rebuilding looks like folks.
We have a **** roster, no sense in waiting to let the trash blow away when you can get something, anything, in return.
Don’t you think getting defense, or o-line, would make more sense? Anything other than QB? Realistically, Kizer would be sitting for 5-7 years? Wouldn’t the best option be to go everywhere EXCEPT qb?
Who says GB won’t add a corner in free agency? I think this move paves the way (and future salary cap space) for them to pursue a Malcolm Butler or Trumaine Johnson or Richard Sherman. Any one of them being an upgrade over 23. I also think it assumes they draft a CB early given depth and quality of options.
IMO it’s less about adding Kizer than it is about improving draft position and setting the stage for a FA signing.
You gotta admit, it will be interesting to watch Randall and Josh Gordon go against each other in training camp.
Brown Paper Sack posted:How was Darsmarinous a cancer? I remember he was benched and he walked off the field or something, but is there more to it?
He ran his mouth on and off the field. When benched for poor play, his response was something to the effect "you'll have to ask the coaches why I wasn't out there". As LeRoy Butler pointed out in his film review, on many occasions Randall was not even in a stance on the snap of the ball. At the end of the season he made some remarks about "guys have to be accountable", which struck a nerve with MM, who responded that Randall had to "worry about himself". Seems like the classic case of a guy who thinks everyone else is the problem.....when in reality it is him.
What the trade really does is send a message to all Packers. Just because you were a high draft choice or a FA signing, if you don't perform or are a locker room cancer you will be out of here. TT was never willing to do that as much as he should have been.
Eye Heart Green & Gold posted:ammo posted:Just as I suspected. You dodged the question. You talk about wanting to talk about football until you are asked to talk football. Typical Suckqueen fan.
You mean I didn’t say what you wanted me to say...
Whats the packers record without Rodgers? 6-12-2 or something like that? Rodgers does an amazing job covering up the flaws of the packers. Kizer isn’t going to do that. You need to fix the flaws imo, rather than worry about what will happen should Rodgers go down again. We’ve already seen that movie.
The Vikings defense was set. The running game was set. Keenum, who only cost $2M, wasn’t asked to come in and save the day. He was told to not eff it up. A backup QB on today’s version of the packers doesn’t have that luxury. If they don’t perform at Rodgers level, they lose. It’s that simple.
Trading one of your better defensive pieces for a guy that you hope never sees the field is a net loss. You could find numerous guys on the NFL unemployment line that can do what Kizer does.
Until you plug all the other holes, it makes no difference who the backup QB is, because the packers are going nowhere without 12 under center.
Now, you can piss and moan about how I don’t talk football simply because you disagree with the take. Or you can throw some x’s and o’s out and convince me that I’m wrong.
I would hope the packers make this exact move 10 out of 10 times. You should be bolstering the team around Rodgers. Not making contingency plans for when he isn’t.
You want a single phrase that debunks your entire premise? What's the current date?
Why are you such a non-challenge?
Eye Heart Green & Gold posted:Don’t you think getting defense, or o-line, would make more sense? Anything other than QB? Realistically, Kizer would be sitting for 5-7 years? Wouldn’t the best option be to go everywhere EXCEPT qb?
What's the date?
Eye Heart Green & Gold posted:Brainwashed Boris posted:Minnesota - April Super Bowl Champion every single effing year.
Stop projecting, Bo. Nobody here is making that claim.
That claim has been made so many times by your ilk that it's tattooed on your semen stained forehead.
Pack88 posted:Again the trolls from the North talk about "great defense" was that the #1 defense that was torched for 6 consecutive quarters and outside of a miracle would have lost at home to the Saints. Isn't this the same team that traded several picks for a guy they payed major bank too so he could sit the bench in 2017. So forgive me if I am not impressed by your logic!!
Yup, same team that CHOKED as always!!! or is it CHOCKED?? HA HA HA HA!!!
Eye Heart Green & Gold posted:Pack88 posted:Again the trolls from the North talk about "great defense" was that the #1 defense that was torched for 6 consecutive quarters and outside of a miracle would have lost at home to the Saints. Isn't this the same team that traded several picks for a guy they payed major bank too so he could sit the bench in 2017. So forgive me if I am not impressed by your logic!!
Brees makes a lot of defenses less than average, but the Vikings offense shat the bed in the second half of the Saints game. I’d even say that, with Keenum, the more talented team lost that day.
The NFCCG was a total team meltdown. There’s no denying it.
Now, with that being said, if you don’t think 25 teams wouldn’t trade defenses with the Vikings in a heartbeat, you’re simply not being honest with yourself.
It's a great defense, which makes that ass whipping even more hilarious. They didn't just get beat, they were summarily destroyed.
You want to know why it was such an ass whipping? Because Zimmer is a DC and nothing more. Clipboard Dougie whipped that ass.
You mean I didn’t say what you wanted me to say...
Actually, we wanted you to shut up.
Brown Paper Sack posted:DH13 posted:What the MIN slopdish doesn't seem to get is that this is the part of the year when teams adjust their rosters and address their weaknesses. You know the part MIN wins every off-season? It' March, dumbass. Go twiddle Same Bradford some more.
So, the "defense is fine"?
Eye Heart Green & Gold posted:DH13 posted:What the MIN slopdish doesn't seem to get is that this is the part of the year when teams adjust their rosters and address their weaknesses. You know the part MIN wins every off-season? It' March, dumbass. Go twiddle Same Bradford some more.
Trading your better defensive players for a guy you hope never sees the field is addressing weaknesses?
Psssttt......defense is the packers weakness.
What's the date?
BrainDed posted:I'm guessing MM didn't want him in the locker room and we gained a couple draft spots and a qb project to boot.
He had 1 year left of his rookie deal, we weren't keeping him after that. Keizer has 3 years on his. This is what rebuilding looks like folks.
We have a **** roster, no sense in waiting to let the trash blow away when you can get something, anything, in return.
I don't know if I'd go with a full rebuild but definitely a retool. There's too many unanswered questions when it comes to the young guys on D and what Pettine can do with them. I'm expecting these guys to be able to stay on the field since they won't be out of position and flopping around due to the Wizarding genius defensive scheme. A couple solid FA signings on D. Look at mid-tier guys on both sides of the ball and use those 12 picks.
GB dumped their best CB for a lot less than they bought him for and everyone seems okay with it...but there was not a talent issue on this defense. Definitely not. I’m all for it, bring in some real talent and this D gets better quickly.
They weren’t going to pick up his option, so better to get something for him than to let him walk. They probably netted more on this deal than they would have with a compensatory pick. Kizer isn’t great right now, but he’s also 22 and they got him pretty cheap. He showed some raw talent in college and the Browns are where QBs go to die, so I think it’s realistic to think Kizers best football is in front of him.
The banter with BPS was fun and cute in the 'Suck' thread but he is definitely trying waaaay too hard with this Kizer trade and now a thread focused on a big part of the offseason is getting all junked up.
I don't know about okay rather than wait and see. Kizer along with picks swap isn't bad, isn't great and merely a start at spinning out the roster. Dougherty had an interesting comment. He stated Pettine might not see the fit for Randall in his defense since he struggles at times outside and his use in the slot might be limited. Getting a guy like Derwin James along with a solid CB FA may go a long way. Yet, if that were the case I'd think Pettine would consider making Jones a full time LB.
Also, I wouldn't call Randall the best CB. He was the most productive down the stretch after having a **** show of a season the year before and a inauspicious start to last year.
Grave Digger posted:GB dumped their best CB for a lot less than they bought him for and everyone seems okay with it...but there was not a talent issue on this defense. Definitely not. I’m all for it, bring in some real talent and this D gets better quickly.
This is some "Brown Paper Sack/Eye Heart Green and Gold" level trolling
Yup, Cleveland is where QBs go to die. Have any been reserected elsewhere?
Pikes Peak posted:Yup, Cleveland is where QBs go to die. Have any been reserected elsewhere?
Mike Phipps beat our club a few times after leaving CLE for the Bears.
We could always go with 'they are due.'
Just left Packers.com and they still do not have anything posted on the Randall -Kizer trade. Maybe someone could call them and let them know.
Cannot be announced officially until Wednesday I heard.
Listening to 'In the Zone' on KFAN and they just said there was an 'almost' deal with Tennessee yesterday for Hundley and Oakland is interested as well. 
Get rid of "hesitation" Hundley and we got a real back-up QB. I am all for that. Randall for those draft picks and Kizer is just fine with me.
Since when is Kizer a "real back-up QB?"
Eye Heart Green & Gold posted:Don’t you think getting defense, or o-line, would make more sense? Anything other than QB? Realistically, Kizer would be sitting for 5-7 years? Wouldn’t the best option be to go everywhere EXCEPT qb?
I do. No doubt about it.
I think the way they are looking at it is that we get a cost controlled QB for 3 years.
If I'm rebuilding and have low expectations, that's fine. If I have SB aspirations, I get a vet backup QB.
heyward posted:Since when is Kizer a "real back-up QB?"
Since he is NOT Hundley
LOL, if every discussion on this board is going to devolve into a slap fest with the two children on this board posing as Vikings fans, I’m out.
heyward posted:Since when is Kizer a "real back-up QB?"
Since he became a packer.
All of the sudden, 11 TDs, 22 INTS, 6 lost fumbles, and a QBR of 60.5 is the stuff legends are born of.
chickenboy posted:The banter with BPS was fun and cute in the 'Suck' thread but he is definitely trying waaaay too hard with this Kizer trade and now a thread focused on a big part of the offseason is getting all junked up.
When Chikenboy is the voice of reason on this board...
Eye Heart Green & Gold posted:heyward posted:Since when is Kizer a "real back-up QB?"
Since he became a packer.
All of the sudden, 11 TDs, 22 INTS, 6 lost fumbles, and a QBR of 60.5 is the stuff legends are born of.
It beats BH QBR of 40.
But yes thats a good point.Yet I still see him better than BH
Goalline posted:chickenboy posted:The banter with BPS was fun and cute in the 'Suck' thread but he is definitely trying waaaay too hard with this Kizer trade and now a thread focused on a big part of the offseason is getting all junked up.
When Chikenboy is the voice of reason on this board...
I had to check to see if my horns finally started growing and my 4 apocalypse bros showed up for the kegger.
In some way I think this is Gutekunst's way of saying "Randall is not Packer People", at least his sort of Packer People. There were many players that wanted Randall off the team after the benching incident. Apparently, Gutey was also in that camp from the front office. Would be interested to know McCarthy thought about this, and maybe Randall was not cleaning his house.
To me, this trade smacks of John Michels for Jon Harris in that I think both teams have given up on their player. The swaps for 4th and 5th rounders distinguish that Randall has some talent and also suggesting that those in Cleveland who were in GB last year, wanted Randall on their team.
You can arm chair all you want about these individual moves, but until we see what those other picks wind up as, I'm just watching. There is a lot of value in moving up 26 picks in the 4th and 5th round.
Maybe, but then how do you explain his interest in Muhammad Wilkerson? He doesn't seem to be "Packer People" either.
Yep. Wilkerson was tossed from the Jets - Packers game in 2014 and Richardson was fined. Was he a leader or a follower?