Pakrz posted:

There isn’t a single guy in the draft that has proven a thing in the NFL.  Dee Ford posted double digit sack totals in 2 of his last 3 seasons (He was injured and only played in 6 games the other year).  

I would rather pony up big money for Moseley/safety combo and get your edge rushers in the draft along with a couple of mid tier signings.  Moseley is about the safest signing you can get and immediately improves the defense.  Clay would be more than fine if he had a supporting cast of Moseley inside and a high pick on the other side. 

The Silverstein argument of keeping Perry is growing on me too.  If you aren't relying on Matthews and Perry for everything, you could actually get some meaningful downs out of the guy.  Perry is an ass kicker against the run and can get home.  Perry even mentioned something about not being approached about a contract renegotiation.  Offer Matthews a mid-tier contract and see if Perry renegotiates.  That takes care of a lot of depth issues as well as having a good rotation.

I'd draft a rookie Safety, or two, just so, hopefully, we won't have to revisit the position again in FA or the Draft, any time soon. We would have one of the youngest groups of players in the DB/Secondary in the league and they would be together for a while. We could actually work at getting other positions in future drafts, for a change.

El-Ka-Bong posted:

Increase the likelihood the Raiders draft a QB?

I think it does. Or else the Giants panic and trade up to the Jets #3 and take Haskins.  Oakland then drafts best defensive player and the  Jets still get a very good D guy and more picks. 

Only had to give up a 3rd & a 5th.

I think I said , if the Pack traded #30 they would get the Steelers 3rd rounder in return plus Brown.

Pretty good deal for the Raiders. There's very few teams that can handle that circus. Raiders are a circus so they go without saying. Patriots & Packers could handle him. That pretty much it. 

Let's see what happens. If the Raiders nail this draft it's 100% because of Mayock. It certainly isn't Gruden. 

mrtundra posted:

I'd draft a rookie Safety, or two, just so, hopefully, we won't have to revisit the position again in FA or the Draft, any time soon. We would have one of the youngest groups of players in the DB/Secondary in the league and they would be together for a while. We could actually work at getting other positions in future drafts, for a change.

That formula hasn't worked for years now.  I don't care if they draft a safety but it better be no earlier than a 3rd.  

Grave Digger posted:

There was talk on Twitter also about shipping Perry to KC for Ford and some configuration of picks on both sides. KC is switching to 43, which is a better fit for Perry, and he’s under contract for 2 more years. Sounded more like speculation than actual rumor. 

When does speculation become a rumor or vice versa?

Henry posted:
mrtundra posted:

I'd draft a rookie Safety, or two, just so, hopefully, we won't have to revisit the position again in FA or the Draft, any time soon. We would have one of the youngest groups of players in the DB/Secondary in the league and they would be together for a while. We could actually work at getting other positions in future drafts, for a change.

That formula hasn't worked for years now.  I don't care if they draft a safety but it better be no earlier than a 3rd.  

There won't be any Safeties, of note, available after the 2nd round. This is if they do not acquire a Safety in FA. FA changes draft pick plans quite a bit.

 

Grave Digger posted:

There was talk on Twitter also about shipping Perry to KC for Ford and some configuration of picks on both sides. KC is switching to 43, which is a better fit for Perry, and he’s under contract for 2 more years. Sounded more like speculation than actual rumor. 

I’d carry Perry to the airport. 

heyward posted:
Grave Digger posted:

There was talk on Twitter also about shipping Perry to KC for Ford and some configuration of picks on both sides. KC is switching to 43, which is a better fit for Perry, and he’s under contract for 2 more years. Sounded more like speculation than actual rumor. 

I’d carry Perry to the airport. 

i will help you.  I will make sure we wrap him in bubble wrap he doesn't get hurt and it voids the trade.

Yeah, the Brown trade is cap hades for Pitt this coming year, but after that they automatically free up $21 million from Brown, plus this year is the last big hit for Big Ben at $23 million. They want to extend Ben—maybe—and would make it cap-friendly. But with Brown gone, I could see Pitt letting Ben play out the year, him retiring, and Pitt starting over with an awful lot of cap space. No Brown, Bell getting out, Ben is 37... time to reset.

Thought this was an interesting take on the twit from eye in the sky:

Tashaun Gipson was an essential piece in Mike Pettine’s scheme in Cleveland. Gipson allowed Pettine to play Single High without disguise because Gipson was able to cover and blitz. The blitzing was used as a run stopping element that transitioned to pressure on pass plays.

It's either Jackson's agent is using GB to play hardball with Philly or GB is looking for a better version of Mo Wilkerson. We have a deep DL, I can't imagine they re-sign Mo if they sign Jackson. 

Grave Digger posted:

It's either Jackson's agent is using GB to play hardball with Philly or GB is looking for a better version of Mo Wilkerson. We have a deep DL, I can't imagine they re-sign Mo if they sign Jackson. 

 

Gutekunst has said multiple times that the Packers want to be in on any FA conversations.  Agents will use that as "interest" to increase leverage.  But it doesn't mean the Packers are/were serious contenders in the negotiation.

 The interest in Jackson is less surprising when you look at this quote from when Pettine was hired:

Makes me think GB might have less urgency than some think to land one of the top pass rushers available. Again I think Pettine's system, based on what it look like with NYJ, was not reliant on edge guys to be dominant edge rushers. It was reliant on them being sound against the run though and executing properly. 

As long as you're not counting on him to be your #1 receiver, he's a pretty good utility player. Definitely a return game upgrade. 

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