Collins
Kentrell Brice
12 missed tackles
150.1 Opponent Passer Rating
Does not belong in the league. Pass.
We just ditched a Safety who couldn't cover...
... This is correct. NYG's issue with Collins is in coverage. Needs to be in certain scheme. And DC James Bettcher's ideal is to have interchangeable safeties. https://t.co/YlYfNLDhsA
— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) March 5, 2019
someone said it some time ago on this site. i am sick and tired of watching our ilb's chasing 5 yards downfield. get ilb mosely and draft devin white if he's there. that's an upgrade. i am not sure how i feel about collins, i like thomas better - i mean collins has alot of positives, but he really reminds me of jones - so at 11m or so, get mosely and/or thomas and draft...draft! (now watch we will draft a te or ol...
DH13 posted:Who would we rather have, Thomas or Collins? Can't have both.
Collins. Younger & didn't get hurt but Thomas would most likely be that veteran stabilizing presence. Although I think Collins could grow into that "veteran presence" role too.
Collins, final answer, if Pack can only have one.
Eric Weddle cut by Ravens. Although 34, he still seems to be playing at a high level and has not missed a game in at least three years.
He's 34. Pass, unless it's a 1 year low ball deal so he can teach Josh Jones how to play safety.
MNPackman posted:He's 34. Pass, unless it's a 1 year low ball deal so he can teach Josh Jones how to play safety.
No INTs this year.
pkr_north posted:someone said it some time ago on this site. i am sick and tired of watching our ilb's chasing 5 yards downfield. get ilb mosely and draft devin white if he's there. that's an upgrade. i am not sure how i feel about collins, i like thomas better - i mean collins has alot of positives, but he really reminds me of jones - so at 11m or so, get mosely and/or thomas and draft...draft! (now watch we will draft a te or ol...
Many have said that but Henya sticks out. That trend started with Hawk. Lots of tackles but few of them had any impact. GB has needed a MLB worth his salt for years. TT repeatedly failed at that position.
YATittle posted:MNPackman posted:He's 34. Pass, unless it's a 1 year low ball deal so he can teach Josh Jones how to play safety.
No INTs this year.
PFF still had him rated in top 10 for safties
Just saw a mock where packers get sweat at 12, Devin Bush at 30, and McCoy in 2nd round. Would be all over that.
Seems with any of the FA safeties, you get coverage skills with tackling challanges, or the other way around. I think Thomas is the most complete player.
FLPACKER posted:Eric Weddle cut by Ravens. Although 34, he still seems to be playing at a high level and has not missed a game in at least three years.
Well we all know he would most certainly pull a hammy getting his luggage at the GB airport if he signed. All kidding aside I would only sign a 34 year old safety as a last resort.
Floridarob posted:Just saw a mock where packers get sweat at 12, Devin Bush at 30, and McCoy in 2nd round. Would be all over that.
I like it but think you’d have to grab Bush at 12 if you want him.
The FA/Trade market looks again to be flush with quality safeties. No reason, NONE, that the Packers shouldn't be able to instantly upgrade that position even if that means they don't go after Collins or Thomas. Plenty of talent well beyond duds like Brice
Teams have called the #Jaguars to inquire about starting S Tashaun Gipson, sources say, and the belief is he’s available. Due more than $8M and Jax is in a cap crunch, but Gipson has played at a high level and is only 28.
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) March 6, 2019
Boris posted:DH13 posted:Who would we rather have, Thomas or Collins? Can't have both.
Collins. Younger & didn't get hurt but Thomas would most likely be that veteran stabilizing presence. Although I think Collins could grow into that "veteran presence" role too.
Collins, final answer, if Pack can only have one.
I think Earl Thomas solves more problems for our defense being a top FS. He's the model for the defensive center-fielder you need....but man his injury history and price tag scare me. Collins is a very good player but is more of a "box" safety as has been mentioned. Probably too much being made of his coverage issues as I'm guessing Pettine would make him very useful compared to the crap we currently have.
Tash Gipson ?? Let's talk !!!! Good player.
The #Browns have released high-priced LB Jamie Collins, who was due more than $10M this year. They tried to trade him, as they did at the deadline last year, and found no takers.
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) March 6, 2019
Pettine would drive all of the young offensive gurus nuts if gute makes Barr a reality.
Where did I read that none of Barr's sacks have come by beating an OL?
What a nice painting of Brown Paper Sack and boy of Rubechat.
Orlando Wolf posted:Pettine would drive all of the young offensive gurus nuts if gute makes Barr a reality.
The Oshbaul bit is already taken.
DH13 posted:Where did I read that none of Barr's sacks have come by beating an OL?
I saw on Twitter that he's never beaten an OL 1on1 a single time in his career. Any ideas of him as a quality pass rusher are purely speculative and have no evidence to support. Mike Zimmer may be a dick and a mediocre HC, but he's a top defensive mind in this league and I have a hard time believing he just didn't know how to use Barr.
Grave Digger posted:DH13 posted:Where did I read that none of Barr's sacks have come by beating an OL?
I saw on Twitter that he's never beaten an OL 1on1 a single time in his career. Any ideas of him as a quality pass rusher are purely speculative and have no evidence to support. Mike Zimmer may be a dick and a mediocre HC, but he's a top defensive mind in this league and I have a hard time believing he just didn't know how to use Barr.
He'd come to GB as a Viking Trojan horse though widely loved by our fans.
I listen to and respect Tauscher’s opinion. And no he isn’t always right but IHHO, Barr is the number one best fit available for GB. He makes some outstanding points to back it up.
Justin McCray...sigh...
Hungry5 posted:
I was told there wouldn’t be any quizzes. I don’t find the connection.
Certainly Barr has all the physical measurements you look for from a pass rusher and he showed skill as a pass rusher at UCLA, but in the NFL he's been a solid run stopper, a solid blitzing off-ball LB, and pretty mediocre in coverage. Minnesota has two quality pass rushers, but even when they haven't had them it's not like Barr was the top backup at DE...Zimmer's no idiot, there's a reason Barr wasn't rushing the passer more frequently and why they're letting him walk. Taking a chance that Mike Smith can get him straightened out as a 34 OLB is fine, I'm not sure it's worth gambling at the >$10M salary he will command.
All fair points. Every free agent hitting the market is going to have flaws. Woodson had his when he arrived. Guess we will see if there are any that the packers feel are worthy of adding.
Barr can come as long as his first game against the Vikings, he drives whatever QB is playing for them into the turf and we can hear all the Vikings fans saying it was a dirty hit.
Floridarob posted:Barr can come as long as his first game against the Vikings, he drives whatever QB is playing for them into the turf and we can hear all the Vikings fans saying it was a dirty hit.
...and all the Packer's fans will say "Yes, it was!"
Henry posted:Orlando Wolf posted:Pettine would drive all of the young offensive gurus nuts if gute makes Barr a reality.
The Oshbaul bit is already taken.
It was a good run.
There are a lot of twitter politicking for the Packers to sign Earl Thomas. It does not make to sense to me to sign a FA safety for >$10 MM/yr at a position that is being devalued. Thomas is a premier safety, but is no Charles Woodson. Yes, Gute needs to sign a FA safety and has options, but a FA pass rusher is of greater priority.
The Packers can land a quality safety who’s younger, cheaper, and doesn’t have the injury baggage that Thomas comes with.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/...-broncos-case-keenum
Redskins get a QB
I’m sure he doesn’t have the Viking game circled.