The Packers are bringing back TE Marcedes Lewis — no guarantee he makes the roster at age 35 — because new coach Matt LaFleur needs blockers on the edge for his outside zone runs. Even with Lewis, Jimmy Graham and Robert Tonyan, tight end is still a need
DH13 posted:

He's better there than he currently is at OLB but still not great.  His advantage is Pettine being able to move him around so OL have difficulty accounting for who is supposed to block him.  Devin White would be better but consensus seems to be CIN grabbing him at 11.

I believe Tampa picks him before he gets to Cincinnati. 

RoyalWulff posted:

Looking at our DL and I want to ask what you think of Muhammad Wilkerson and Montravius Adams.  Of course we didn’t get much of a look at MW last season.  Do you guys think either or both will ever be stalwarts?  Or are they both JAG’s?

I hate sounding like an ass, but Mo Adams is essentially Bustin Harrell II. I think he has more heart that Harrell, but hasn't produced any results on the field. 
The foot injury in his rookie year put him behind the 8 ball, but last year I expected he would blow by guys like Lowry or Lancaster.
There's still some hope for him, I suppose. He's young, and made it through last season without another/same injury, and got a fair amount of playing time as the season wore on. 

Mo Wilk is more polished than Adams, of course. Assuming he goes to TC and can beat out Lowry, Adams, and/or any potential draft pick, he deserves to be the starter. If he doesn't, I would expect him to be first in the rotation.

Both guys will have to fight hard to be more than JAG, but they have the potential to do it.

packerboi posted:
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The Packers are bringing back TE Marcedes Lewis — no guarantee he makes the roster at age 35 — because new coach Matt LaFleur needs blockers on the edge for his outside zone runs. Even with Lewis, Jimmy Graham and Robert Tonyan, tight end is still a need

For the life of me, I can’t figure out why Lewis didn’t get more playing time last year.  He’s supposed to be one of the better blocking tight ends, and I was totally underwhelmed by Graham and Lance Kendricks last year.  I think he may be a solid tight end for us; we really didn’t give him much of a chance last year.  And Tonyan is VERY intriguing.

Jordy was the Raiders leading receiver last year.

Jordy as a #4 or #5? For $1.5-$2 Million? I could see it in Green Bay if he is agreeable. 

But there is a lot of young receivers in Green Bay now. He might not be able to beat them out.

Boris posted:

Jordy as a #4 or #5? For $1.5-$2 Million? I could see it in Green Bay if he is agreeable. 

But there is a lot of young receivers in Green Bay now. He might not be able to beat them out.

Rodgers needs to move forward in this new offense. Jordy is going to lend and tempt Rodgers to go back to sand lot style football. Not something LaFleur needs to deal with. 

It's been said multiple times that these McVay/Shanahan/LaFleur offenses are predicated on very rigid play calls, timing is key, and there is very little room for improvising. That's probably going to be the biggest challenge with AR. Because he had way too much freedom with MM to change a play and do what he felt like. 

That system is over. 

That may be true but I don't think MLF wishes to hamstring AR by eliminating improvisation altogether.  It's what makes AR so unique. They will still practice scramble drills as any and all offenses will find themselves in those situations at some point, no matter the system. 

Bullshit.  That's the "Let Aaron Handle It" offensive game plan.  Rodgers has stated he wants to be coached.  I find it hard to believe he would have issues with having a productive offense instead of an uninvolved HC dropping random plays in on game day.

michiganjoe posted:

Think the issue with Jordy is more diminishing skills and age. If the Packers were interested in his services they would have signed him for less money last year.

Agreed.  Jordy began to look "old" in that 2017 season particularly after Rodgers went down.  Davante Adams continued to excel even when the backup QB was in there, but Jordy looked a little bit exposed. 

Jordy was pretty incredible in his prime, but his prime was 5 years ago.  I think at this point maybe it's better to look for younger guys for the future than a guy who clearly looked like he was in decline even 2 years ago. 

This is a difficult call. IF the situation presented itself there is something to say about veteran leadership especially with such an existing young receiving core. If Rodgers can’t rein it in and prevent himself from going back to bad habits then eff him, he’s not the quarterback we know he is. I have no idea what Jordy’s familiarity with this offense is either. You know someone in our receiving core will go down eventually as it is a right of passage every year. Should he get released I would bring him in if there was mutual interest at a low number and see what he can provide. It’s not like he would be asked to be an every down player either.

fightphoe93 posted:
michiganjoe posted:

Think the issue with Jordy is more diminishing skills and age. If the Packers were interested in his services they would have signed him for less money last year.

Agreed.  Jordy began to look "old" in that 2017 season particularly after Rodgers went down.  Davante Adams continued to excel even when the backup QB was in there, but Jordy looked a little bit exposed. 

Jordy was pretty incredible in his prime, but his prime was 5 years ago.  I think at this point maybe it's better to look for younger guys for the future than a guy who clearly looked like he was in decline even 2 years ago. 

Jordy was on pace for a record season in 2017 before his QB went down, but that was two years ago. 

I'm anxious to see what the young WR do under this new system, where they don't have to follow the stubborn ways of McVince and "learn the whole effin' route tree." There was a reason rookie WR didn't do much under McVince...because he made it too complicated for them. Not everyone was a smert as Jordy and could pick it up so quickly. Hell, I'd put Davante on par with Jordy mentally and it took him a whole year to get productive.

I like Jordy, but his best days were pre-knee injury. I don't care how much you know the route-tree and playbook, father time is undefeated. He just doesn't have the physical tools this offense needs.

Chongo posted:

I'm anxious to see what the young WR do under this new system, where they don't have to follow the stubborn ways of McVince and "learn the whole effin' route tree." There was a reason rookie WR didn't do much under McVince...because he made it too complicated for them.

See OL as well. Seems like whomever we drafted had to learn multiple positions, play both sides, and never stayed and concentrated on their true strength. 

I'm not holding my breath over Jason Spriggs, but maybe a new voice  in this Stenavich system Spriggs can relax a bit and they will play to his strengths. 

I always got the feeling his issues were mainly between his ears. Physically, he's what you'd want in a RT (arm length, height etc). But his confidence was complete shit and I just think Campen and MM gave up on him. 

Floridarob posted:

Teh last couple of years it has been way too much AR calling the "everybody get open on three" play. 

That's been the offense for the past 12 years. The Packers WRs lined up and were expected to beat their defenders in one on one matchups. It was spectacular in 2009 to 2014 when the WR/TE core was deep. Look at 2011 - the offense's best year. They were lining up in-their-prime versions of Nelson, Jennings, Cobb, and Jones and the TE was a healthy Finley. There was no complex scheme to get them open - they just got open by winning matchups. When a young James Jones is the 5th best option on an offensive play, he's going to win matchups against a dime corner. 

The second poorest Rodgers-led offense (other than last year) was the year Jordy tore his ACL. They were lining up combinations of a young and injured Adams, Cobb, Abbrederis, Montgomery, Janis, and a washed up James Jones (and their TE was RichRod). The problem was to the untrained eye it looked like MM was still running the same basic offensive concepts - which was win your individual matchup. 

I'm guessing the new offensive system will incorporate more motion, bunched receiver sets, and combination routes. 

fightphoe93 posted:
michiganjoe posted:

Think the issue with Jordy is more diminishing skills and age. If the Packers were interested in his services they would have signed him for less money last year.

Agreed.  Jordy began to look "old" in that 2017 season particularly after Rodgers went down.  Davante Adams continued to excel even when the backup QB was in there, but Jordy looked a little bit exposed. 

Jordy was pretty incredible in his prime, but his prime was 5 years ago.  I think at this point maybe it's better to look for younger guys for the future than a guy who clearly looked like he was in decline even 2 years ago. 

Deep down, I am hoping that Jordy retires and comes back to GB as an assistant receivers coach.  Imagine the wisdom he can share with the young receivers about working with Rodgers....and Rodgers would be happy to have his best friend back on the sidelines with him. 

RE: Marcedes Lewis, I have to wonder whether LaFleur and Hackett after reviewing film on this offense wondered why the **** he was targeted all of 4!! times last season. 

Yes, I understand he's no longer the 2012 version of himself but for f*ck sakes 3 catches all year when completely healthy vs Graham who dealt with a broken thumb for weeks and Tonyan was no where to be found nearly all season?

Jeebus, that's just head shaking shit that I can only think they plan to change. 

HHCD to the bears

The are signing S Ha Ha Clinton-Dix to a 1-year deal, sources tell me and . Formerly of the and , he gets a new home in Chicago.

 

He will, well, maybe play the Packers hard but the Bears will soon find out what GB and Wash did. Which is he will take plenty of plays off and 1/2 ass it up and down the field and avoid contact at all costs. 

Very happy to have Amos. His history says he will work hard. 

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