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Packers are winning without Tae and Tonyan...we have weapons, they are just out with injuries.

Lazard is a bad mofo...mark my words, he will the #2 lining up next to Tae next year at this time.

Me first people like Josh Gordon, Antonio Brown, and TO (among others) only kill a team.  AB got his six consecutive 1000 yard seasons by whining about not getting the ball thrown his way.  Then he turned on the team.  Now OBJ is doing it in Cleveland.  Idiot(s).  If they are trouble in college, most likely they will be trouble in the pros.  Can save a ton of money on TUMs and aspirin by not drafting them.  So I would pass on Gordon if it were up to me.  

Even the Patriots cut him - that was the team who put up with a whole season of Randy Moss.  

GBFanForLife posted:

They had an open roster spot, might as well use it.

He'll probably be inactive Sunday. They could just as well waited until Monday and then activate him or Abraham after seeing how healthy the TE's and Safeties are moving towards Carolina. 

Really depends on match-ups and SDG defensive tendencies and how MLF wants to attack them. It is clear MLF has a different plan for each opponent, and the horses to roll a different one out each week.

Ghost of Lambeau:
Even the Patriots cut him - that was the team who put up with a whole season of Randy Moss.  

I am unaware Moss was any kind of problem that year in New England.  What do you think he did wrong that causes you to claim the Patriots put up with him?

Save for the selfishness in sabotaging a team by risking suspension due to marijuana use, Gordon does not strike me as selfish in the same way as Antonio Brown, TO, or OBJ.  I am unaware of any instance of that.

But, again, doing weed when you know the team's success largely depends on your own success - that is selfish, no doubt.

There are a few sides to discussion of marijuana as it relates to the NFL.  If you're a player making bank and put your career and your team at risk by using marijuana, you're a dumdum.  

On the other side, marijuana is clearly trending towards legalization nationwide... it's just a matter of time.  I'd like to see the NFL just stop testing for it and move on.  

FinnLander posted:
YATittle posted:

No way he's not better than some of the guys who've been getting snaps such as Kumerow.

Based on what, your hopes & prayers?

Based on more experience in the league and more productivity. It's OK if you don't agree. Just can't believe he hasn't been active.

YATittle posted:
FinnLander posted:
YATittle posted:

No way he's not better than some of the guys who've been getting snaps such as Kumerow.

Based on what, your hopes & prayers?

Based on more experience in the league and more productivity. It's OK if you don't agree. Just can't believe he hasn't been active.

Doesn't matter if I agree or not.  What matters is if the coaching staff agrees.  And they apparently don't agree with your definitive statement.

FinnLander posted:
YATittle posted:
FinnLander posted:
YATittle posted:

No way he's not better than some of the guys who've been getting snaps such as Kumerow.

Based on what, your hopes & prayers?

Based on more experience in the league and more productivity. It's OK if you don't agree. Just can't believe he hasn't been active.

Doesn't matter if I agree or not.  What matters is if the coaching staff agrees.  And they apparently don't agree with your definitive statement.

Oh, yeah, they're always right. See Casey Hayward, Micah Hyde, Desmond Bishop...

PackerHawk posted:

The Browns have become the team that I expected the Raiders to be. They are 110% dysfunctional. Can their HC survive the season? 

I don't think CLE really has a HC honestly. Mayfield seems more like the HC than Kitchens. Again they remind me of the early 2000's Packers. Sugar Bear just couldn't reign in his QB and wasn't a strong presence as a HC. 

YATittle posted:
FinnLander posted:
YATittle posted:
FinnLander posted:
YATittle posted:

No way he's not better than some of the guys who've been getting snaps such as Kumerow.

Based on what, your hopes & prayers?

Based on more experience in the league and more productivity. It's OK if you don't agree. Just can't believe he hasn't been active.

Doesn't matter if I agree or not.  What matters is if the coaching staff agrees.  And they apparently don't agree with your definitive statement.

Oh, yeah, they're always right. See Casey Hayward, Micah Hyde, Desmond Bishop...

Where did I claim that they're always right?  I just pointed out that they don't agree with your assessment.

DocBenni posted:

So MM to Cleveland?

 

He'd do well there. They need someone to restore order and provide stability. There is probably no head coach that provides stability better than MM. That's a positive for a rudderless team like the Browns and if MM makes the playoffs once, he's a hero there. 

MM's strengths were the same as his weaknesses. No one changed things less over a decade than MM. Stability can breed predictability and complacency. 

I think MM would do better with a 24 year old, unproven QB who needs the stability and "fatherly" order MM would provide, as MP2 said above. MM doesn't throw his players under the bus, he'd give Mayfield the structure he really needs, and MM would be the guy answering all the tough questions his young QB could defer on. 

Now, whether MM would deploy a modern NFL offense is another question. But hey, maybe a year off watching the Packers and other top 10 offenses do their thing, MM took notes. Crazier shit has happened in the NFL

BrainDed posted:

Why is Baker Mayfield getting treated like he is a sure thing in the scenario?    Trubisky had a good 2018 as well but everyone is ready to throw him off the train.   

At least for me, the difference is that I think most QBs that are successful have enormous self-confidence. An attitude that they are going to succeed and anyone that doesn't believe in them is full of shit (Rodgers is a great example of this). Mayfield has it. Trubisky doesn't. 

The key is to harness it and direct it. Sometimes guys with those physical skills and confidence don't succeed because they are just pinheads (Jeff George, Ryan Leaf, Johnny Manziel, and many others) and/or don't ever get into the right environment to be accountable. Brett Favre would have been a washout without Mike Holmgren. That's the best example, but there are others. I think Mayfield has the confidence and the ability. I don't see Trubisky having that kind of self-confidence. Even when things were going well last year, he still carried himself like he was thinking "don't screw up" constantly. 

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