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Wow, did not see a 4 year deal coming. But again, I guess we will see what the guaranteed money is and the true length of the contract is.   



@michiganjoe posted:

Didn't see a four-year either but he had a very good year. As has been said, the devil is in the details as to what the contract really is.

One persons resurgent season is another’s contract year season.

Hoping for the former.

@fightphoe93 posted:

MVS seems like a good guy who worked hard to get better but was snakebit by injuries in 2021.  He definitely was missed in that 49ers game, might have helped stretch the field a bit with Davante being doubled frequently.

Disagree. 12 had guys running free several times in that game and either didn’t see them or ignored them. Either way, it was yet another crap post season performance.

MVS turns 28 this year. He entered the NFL so late (he turned 24 his first season), he's already the age many guys are when they get to their 3rd contract. He needs to max out his money because this is it for him. A guy that relies almost entirely on speed who has started to get a lot of nagging leg injuries is a questionable investment at the money he's going to get. At least if Davante loses a step or two, his route running skills will still allow him to be a very good WR. If MVS loses a step or two, he's almost unplayable.

Preston Smith appears to be a good locker room guy, has played 16 games every year he's been in the NFL, plays the run very well, and was probably willing to take a little less money to stay.

Z. Smith appears to be a bit of difficult personality and played one game last year. He also doesn't set the edge the same way Preston does. Someone will overpay him.

@Floridarob posted:

i wonder how other team mates that get cut feel with AR now that he is involved in some of the personel decisions. Cobb stays at a higher cap number than Turner but Turner was probably more valuable.

Cobb was cheap in '21 with HOU paying most of his salary. Cobb won't be playing '22 on his current cap number. I expect that deal update will come soon.

@packerboi posted:

MVS ran free and very open multiple times last season and Rodgers just missed him. The route and separation MVS  got in those plays looked fine. Idk what it was with Rodgers but he just could t connect on some of those deep passes.

MVS would be even richer if those two were able to connect more last season.

Russ throws a good deep ball, and Hackett knows MVS.  Bet he'll be in Denver.

@Floridarob posted:

i wonder how other team mates that get cut feel with AR now that he is involved in some of the personel decisions. Cobb stays at a higher cap number than Turner but Turner was probably more valuable.

We'll see what Cobb gets. It's not a sure thing yet what he's going to end up with for 2022.

The NFL is now just like the NBA (and really has been for 30 years). In the last 30 years, the team that won the NBA title had at least one player who is clearly one of the top 50 all-time players with one, and maybe two, exceptions (the 2004 Pistons and how you rank Kawhi Leonard). Actually, if you count Isiah Thomas as top 50 (and I think he is), you can go back to 1980 and it's 40 of the last 42 years that's been true. If you don't have one of those guys, you aren't winning a ring and there is a limited supply of those guys.

In the NFL, the Super Bowl champions have been lead by a first ballot HOF QB in 24 of the last 30 years. Three other title teams had guys that are likely to be HOF QBs (Eli Manning and Stafford). Only three times, has a team won without at least an excellent QB (Flacco, Brad Johnson, and Dilfer).

In basketball and football, the superstar player or starting QB has the ball in their hands every play on offense.

In some ways the NFL is even worse than the NBA in terms of limited supply of the key guy. In the NBA, the star players still have to maintain athletic ability as they age to be effective. With the new rules in the NFL, you can't hit QBs low, you can't hit them high, you can't land on them, and you can't tough their helmets. Even if they lose something off their fastball, the guys that can read defenses and change plays at the line give you a great chance to win. There are maybe 8-10 guys at that threshold right now in the NFL which means there is one QB available in the draft every 2 years.

Those 8-10 guys will accumulate more and more power. Even guys in the next tier that are good enough to win enough games to not get the FO and head coach fired are going to make big money (Cousins, Tannehill).

We'll see what Cobb gets. It's not a sure thing yet what he's going to end up with for 2022.

The NFL is now just like the NBA (and really has been for 30 years). In the last 30 years, the team that won the NBA title had at least one player who is clearly one of the top 50 all-time players with one, and maybe two, exceptions (the 2004 Pistons and how you rank Kawhi Leonard). Actually, if you count Isiah Thomas as top 50 (and I think he is), you can go back to 1980 and it's 40 of the last 42 years that's been true. If you don't have one of those guys, you aren't winning a ring and there is a limited supply of those guys.

In the NFL, the Super Bowl champions have been lead by a first ballot HOF QB in 24 of the last 30 years. Three other title teams had guys that are likely to be HOF QBs (Eli Manning and Stafford). Only three times, has a team won without at least an excellent QB (Flacco, Brad Johnson, and Dilfer).

In basketball and football, the superstar player or starting QB has the ball in their hands every play on offense.

In some ways the NFL is even worse than the NBA in terms of limited supply of the key guy. In the NBA, the star players still have to maintain athletic ability as they age to be effective. With the new rules in the NFL, you can't hit QBs low, you can't hit them high, you can't land on them, and you can't tough their helmets. Even if they lose something off their fastball, the guys that can read defenses and change plays at the line give you a great chance to win. There are maybe 8-10 guys at that threshold right now in the NFL which means there is one QB available in the draft every 2 years.

Those 8-10 guys will accumulate more and more power. Even guys in the next tier that are good enough to win enough games to not get the FO and head coach fired are going to make big money (Cousins, Tannehill).

Bit of a surviorship bias here.  If a player doesn't win championships they aren't usually considered HOF players.

If Cousins wins multiple SB's, he's going to the HOF.  If he doesn't, he doesn't.  So yeah, most SB winning teams are led by HOF QB's, because SB wins usually are what put you in Canton in the first place.

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