Is the season in a game... just when you thought they were building, poof...
I don’t know that it’s “poof” but their pitching is not playoff worthy.
Blair Kiel posted:Packdog posted:Yelich becomes 19th player in a zillion years of MLB history to hit 40 HRs and steal 20 bags.
Too late to research, but wonder about the 50/30 club?
Weird how the Brewers have 2 of those 19 players. (Yelich and Braun)
But to the question at hand... Only 4 guys with a 50/20 season and a high of 24 SB.
- Rodriguez 54/24 in 2007
- Mays 51/24 in 1955
- Brady Anderson 50/21
- Griffey Jr 56/20 in 1998
That said, only 9 guys and 13 seasons with even a 50/10+ Above 4 and...
- Sosa 66/18 in 1998
- Rodriguez 52/18 2001
- Ruth 59/17 1921
- Griff 56/15 1997
- Ruth 54/14 1920
- Bonds 73/13 2001
- Mantle 54/12 1961
- Mantle 52/10 1956
- AND....
- GREG FREAKING VAUGHN (?!?!?!) 50/11 in 1998
Baseball is weird and wonderful and stupid.
Timpranillo posted:Blair Kiel posted:Packdog posted:Yelich becomes 19th player in a zillion years of MLB history to hit 40 HRs and steal 20 bags.
Too late to research, but wonder about the 50/30 club?
Weird how the Brewers have 2 of those 19 players. (Yelich and Braun)
But to the question at hand... Only 4 guys with a 50/20 season and a high of 24 SB.
- Rodriguez 54/24 in 2007
- Mays 51/24 in 1955
- Brady Anderson 50/21
- Griffey Jr 56/20 in 1998
That said, only 9 guys and 13 seasons with even a 50/10+ Above 4 and...
- Sosa 66/18 in 1998
- Rodriguez 52/18 2001
- Ruth 59/17 1921
- Griff 56/15 1997
- Ruth 54/14 1920
- Bonds 73/13 2001
- Mantle 54/12 1961
- Mantle 52/10 1956
- AND....
- GREG FREAKING VAUGHN (?!?!?!) 50/11 in 1998
Baseball is weird and wonderful and stupid.
Only 4 guys with a 50/20 season and a high of 24 SB.
- Rodriguez 54/24 in 2007 - Steroids
- Mays 51/24 in 1955
- Brady Anderson 50/21 - Very Likely Steroids
- Griffey Jr 56/20 in 1998
That said, only 9 guys and 13 seasons with even a 50/10+ Above 4 and...
- Sosa 66/18 in 1998 - Steroids
- Rodriguez 52/18 2001-Steroids
- Ruth 59/17 1921
- Griff 56/15 1997
- Ruth 54/14 1920
- Bonds 73/13 2001-Steroids
- Mantle 54/12 1961
- Mantle 52/10 1956
- AND....
- GREG FREAKING VAUGHN (?!?!?!) 50/11 in 1998-Very likely steroids
Baseball is weird and wonderful and stupid.
The non-roids guys are 4 of the 10 players of all time. Ruth, Mantle, Mays, and Griffey Jr.
Ruth is so much of an outlier for his era it's almost unfathomable.
Just to put Ruth in perspective, Yelich is having one of the best years all-time for a hitter. His OPS is 1.112 this year. Ruth had 12 years that were better than that (and some years astronomically better than that).
Oh, and when he was 21 years old he went 23-12 as a pitcher, led the league in ERA, and had a WAR as a pitcher of 8.8. To put that in perspective, that's a higher WAR than any season that Clayton Kershaw has had.
MichiganPacker2 posted:The non-roids guys are 4 of the 10 players of all time. Ruth, Mantle, Mays, and Griffey Jr.
Ruth is so much of an outlier for his era it's almost unfathomable.
Interesting how roids are highlighted as an implied disqualifier, but the amphetamines that Mantle or Mays popped like children's aspirin aren't. Or injecting sheep testicle extract and playing in an non-integrated league like Ruth isn't.
MichiganPacker2 posted:
- GREG FREAKING VAUGHN (?!?!?!) 50/11 in 1998
The Greg Vaughn years we were so desperate for anything that Vaughn's Valley was a think.
I'm still holding out hope Franklin Stubbs becomes a hitter.
Timpranillo posted:MichiganPacker2 posted:The non-roids guys are 4 of the 10 players of all time. Ruth, Mantle, Mays, and Griffey Jr.
Ruth is so much of an outlier for his era it's almost unfathomable.
Interesting how roids are highlighted as an implied disqualifier, but the amphetamines that Mantle or Mays popped like children's aspirin aren't. Or injecting sheep testicle extract and playing in an non-integrated league like Ruth isn't.
It's an open question as to how much the greenies mattered. In the days of lousy plane flights, cheap hotel rooms, and stingy owners guys probably needed them to function, especially starting in the late 50s and 60s when teams had to take trans-continental flights for a lot of games (instead of only going as far as St. Louis, Chicago, and Milwaukee from the East coast).
The Negro League comments are certainly valid, although Ruth dominated the rest of his peers by a long margin. It would have been interesting to see what he'd have done against someone like Satchell Paige.
The sheep testicle story has been out there. The official version from a recent book is the following.
http://www.baltimoreorless.com...ed-sheeps-testicles/
Who knows if he was doping or not on sheep testicles throughout his career, but the anecdotal evidence is that Ruth didn't exactly look like a roid user when he got heavy toward the last 6-7 years of his career. The Olympic athletes really didn't start doping until a few decades later when the science was advanced enough to take them in an educated manner.
“…As the sporting industry exploded in the 1920s, athletic trainers and their charges immediately saw the possibilities of using his research. Even the Big Bambino himself, Babe Ruth, injected himself with extract from a sheep’s testicles, hoping for increased power at the plate (and in the bedroom). He attempted this only once, and it made him incredibly ill; the Yankees covered the story by telling the press that the Babe just had one of his famous bellyaches. Even though the Yankees tend to celebrate all things Babe Ruth, they have never, to my knowledge, had “Sheep Testicles Day” at the stadium.”
On the bright side tonight they didn’t get no hit.
Cheezers posted:On the bright side tonight they didn’t get no hit.
And Yelich increased his OBP since he was walked 3 of the 4 times he got to the plate.
2-1 lead bottom of 6. Can the bull pen make it hold up?
Jeffress loads the bases, no outs. Out he goes, in comes Claudio.
ammo posted:Jeffress loads the bases, no outs. Out he goes, in comes Claudio.
This would be the time CC would have used Hader last year.
isn’t it here where the Crew crashed last year??? I mean about this time of year?? They were supposed to be so tough and again they’re crashing and burning AGAIN. 
Saw this on a Cubs board I frequent:
- The regression from last year.
Shaw went from 4.1 bWAR to -0.9
Cain went from 6.9 to 1.8
Aguilar went from 3.2 to -0.4
Hader and Jeffress went from 5.5 to 1.5
That's a drop from 19.7 to 2.0 .
Goldie posted:isn’t it here where the Crew crashed last year??? I mean about this time of year?? They were supposed to be so tough and again they’re crashing and burning AGAIN.
Yes Goldie.
This was exactly the point they crashed and burned last year...finished last in the N.L Central.
Aug 14-18, lost 5 of 6. By August 28th they were 6 games back after a loss to Cincinnati. Still 5 back September 2nd.
The only reason they’re still in this is the other 2 teams keep stepping on their own dicks. Brewers do another 19-6 September this year and that’ll probably be enough.
PackLandVA posted:Saw this on a Cubs board I frequent:
- The regression from last year.
Shaw went from 4.1 bWAR to -0.9
Cain went from 6.9 to 1.8
Aguilar went from 3.2 to -0.4
Hader and Jeffress went from 5.5 to 1.5
That's a drop from 19.7 to 2.0 .
Chacin went from 2.0 to -0.6.
Miley was +1.5 in half a year and not really replaced.
Burnes is -2.2 this year after being dominant in the playoffs.
Woodruff, Knebel, Chacin, and Nelson all on the DL.
Because of injuries and the lack of attention to the staff in the offseason, the pitching staff has almost completely imploded.
Brewers bat around in the 1st scoring 4 runs. Big blow was a 3 run homer by Moose. 
HOLY CRAP!!! Fat Albers get s a K with the tieing runs on 2nd and 3rd. Brewers still lead 5-3 top of 7.
Anyone thin Counsel WON'T bring in Hader in the 8th??
Let’s hope for a lot of rain and win this thing in 7!
Great start in the 1st again tonight. 3 runs for the good guys.
Curse of the opening day starter hits the Crew again with Chacin DFA'd. I like this guys idea
IMO use an opener next Opening Day.
— Brewers prospects and more, oh my! (@BrewCrewBlue) August 24, 2019
The #Brewers Opening Day SP curse:
— Reviewing the Brew (@ReviewngTheBrew) August 24, 2019
2015: Kyle Lohse (bad year, 5.85 ERA)
2016: Wily Peralta (bad year, 4.86 ERA)
2017: Junior Guerra (hurt after 3 IP, regressed)
2018: Chase Anderson (regressed, led NL in HR)
2019: Jhoulys Chacin (regressed, DFA)
Wow
Yet another starter coming up small when we need them. How this organization can think they can get by with a bunch of mediocre to bad starting pitchers is so frustrating.
Hader working through things?
Now would be a nice time to go 8-2 over the next 10.
Get to 4 back by Sunday and see what happens.
Hader throwing 82 mph. Batters confused.
Not a good start by Anderson, Two doubles, a single, and a home run to the first 5 batters is not how to set a tone.
Just looked, Yelich has now gone 9 games without an RBI. He's 8 for 31 with two doubles and 9 walks in that stretch.
If we are counting on Chase Anderson to get this team back on track we may run out of the season.
Tschmack posted:If we are counting on Chase Anderson to get this team back on track we may run out of the season.
Down 5-0 in the 7th. If they don't come back today (pretty unlikely) they absolutely have to win the next 2. They will be 5 games back of the 2nd wild card after today. If they lose the next 2, they'll be 7 back with 26 games to play. If they win the next 2, they'll be 3 back.
Tschmack posted:If we are counting on Chase Anderson to get this team back on track we may run out of the season.
It's very likely the Brewers will one guy pitch more than 130 innings this year. 162 has always been a benchmark since that is what is required to qualify for an ERA title. Last year they had three starters pitch more than 140.
Davies is at 131 and Anderson is at 112. Woodruff is probably done for the year at 117, Chacin's season is over at 88 and Houser is at 87.
If they wouldn't have picked up Jordan Lyles (4-1 the last month), the season might already be effectively over.
They have to have better starting pitching next year.
I have a bad feeling the Cubs and Cards are hitting their stride while the Brewers stumble along.
Gonna need an even better Sept than last year.
This year's team has nothing to hang their hat on. Last year, it was a lights out bullpen that was maybe the best in the game. This year, the bullpen has been ordinary, and it turned the team into a mediocre team. I would think their playoff chances are probably like 5% or so at this point.
Hader gets the last 5 outs to make a 2 run 1st inning hold up. Brewers win 2-0. and get back to within 4 games of the Cubs.
Yelich is 12 for his last 42 with no HRs and no RBIs in the last 12 games. He has walked 10 times in that stretch, but his chances for a repeat MVP award are probably gone.
Then again a real big Sept would cement it.