The last time I had a 34 waist I was 17. I was told I looked gaunt when I hit 36 again a few years ago.
I have the waist of a big-boned 15 year old girl (32”)
Roy Moore keeps texting me.
You swimmers and intermittent fasters can kiss my big a$$! I’m going with the cocaine diet!
Henry posted:The last time I had a 34 waist I was 17. I was told I looked gaunt when I hit 36 again a few years ago.
Gaunt is the new healthy...Because cheese.
Cam only threw 4 touchdowns, the Panthers only ran for a little more than 150 yards, and the D only gave up 31 points.
Another solid day for Mike McCarthy's favorite defensive coordinator.
If MM waits to the end of the season to do his usual horse **** evaluations, good options for a replacement may be gone.
Yeah, if the powers that be think changes are in order then do it. All positions should be evaluated now, not in January.
I am in favor of keeping Mike, but lighting a fire under his butt is warranted.
Please retire Dom. OR MM fire him effective 12/18/17
bigdoggyjude posted:If MM waits to the end of the season to do his usual horse **** evaluations, good options for a replacement may be gone.
If there is any silver lining about missing the playoffs, it's probably this because the Packers won't have the excuse that they played three extra weeks in the playoffs and then all the good candidates were gone.
I'd actually be pretty surprised if Capers retains his job. At this point I'm hoping they just don't fire Capers and promote one of the current assistants. Total house cleaning on that side of the ball, and that includes a whole bunch of players as well.
I have a feeling that Dom will "retire" at end of season to save MM from having to fire him.
Who in GB other than fans, has ever indicated that Dom is a dead man walking?
Exactly. A lot of folks assuming he will be gone.
I will believe it only when it actually happens
If management keeps letting Dom back in the building, how long before 12 decides to move on to a team that actually wants to win?
If I'm McCarthy, I ask Dom tomorrow for his resignation. Install Whitt as interim DC to see how the players respond. Based on his work with CBs, he seems to get the message understood.
The list is endless as to why Dom should go; can't think of any as to why he should stay.
Hungry5 posted:If I'm McCarthy, I ask Dom tomorrow for his resignation. Install Whitt as interim DC to see how the players respond. Based on his work with CBs, he seems to get the message understood.
Especially if you think there IS an internal candidate, git to see what they can bring these last 2 weeks. And I’m not suggestion that there is, fresh ideas greatly needed on that side of the ball.
Hungry5 posted:If I'm McCarthy, I ask Dom tomorrow for his resignation. Install Whitt as interim DC to see how the players respond. Based on his work with CBs, he seems to get the message understood.
No way, they need to install a fresh system, I’m sick of the same old crap. ****can everyone including McCarthys crony Winston Moss
With Playoffs elimination likely confirmed after tomorrow’s game and Rodgers out (hopefully anyway, because there’s no point to risk it), I wonder what the last two games will look like for Dom’s “defense.”
The “defense” never plays with urgency and rarely cares about what their assignment is. What will it be like when they have nothing to play for? I don’t want to find out but we’re going to find out.
With all of the injuries that rocked the league this year, this is truly a year that got away like 15-1 and done. I wonder where the Packers would be had suck it sign moron not taken Rodgers out with a cheap “tackle.”
Hungry5 posted:If I'm McCarthy, I ask Dom tomorrow for his resignation. Install Whitt as interim DC to see how the players respond. Based on his work with CBs, he seems to get the message understood.
Hell no. Secondary doesn't know their responsibility way too often. That's partially on Whitt.
Dom does suck.. but the person putting the roster together is just as bad. They need to take a blowtorch to the whole thing.. from Murphy on down. Start fresh next season.
players like Clay/Cobb... and other unproductive high price tag guys can be sent packing as well.
I don’t get the player talent gripes. Hayward Hyde and peppers are doing well on their new teams. Let’s see how it goes with dom out. Put MM on notice by taking choice to fire Dom out if his hands. TT has a stay of execution in my mind but I would not be concerned if he chose to step down. I’d like to see MM focus on offensive creativity and get competency to run DC and ST.
Diggr14 posted:players like Clay/Cobb... and other unproductive high price tag guys can be sent packing as well.
I’ve not been happy with CM but I am fine with Cobb. Still I think both do well with new DC and a better focused less stubborn MM.
NumberThree posted:I wonder where the Packers would be had suck it sign moron not taken Rodgers out with a cheap “tackle.”
They’d be in the playoffs and a few weeks away from another disappointing defensive meltdown.
#Packers Defense. ☠️
— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) December 18, 2017
3rd Down Completion %: 69.0% (32nd)
3rd Down Conversions: 44.8% (30th)
Scoring Efficiency: 40.3% (31st)
TD Efficiency: 23.5% (32nd)
RZ Scoring Efficiency: 100% (32nd)
RZ TD Efficiency: 69.2% (31st)
5 Minute Drives: 26 (T-32nd)
10 Play Drives: 30 (30th)
I'll believe a defensive change is coming when I see the team publicly announce it.
Maybe they could hire Ben Fennell. He seems to know a lot about football.
bdplant posted:NumberThree posted:I wonder where the Packers would be had suck it sign moron not taken Rodgers out with a cheap “tackle.”
They’d be in the playoffs and a few weeks away from another disappointing defensive meltdown.
I know this is the knee jerk, rim shot type reply but unfortunately I think it is 100% true. If AR hadn't been injured, the offense could have torn it up 2011 style and I think we still lose in the playoffs to any team with a good O. The D was the undoing of that 2011 team and it is even worse today. It still sucks that we probably won't see anymore great quarterbacking for another 8 months. My only hope is this whole mess finally results in a new DC.
TT and MM need a real come to Jesus discussion ahead of the offseason.
For the second consecutive year. A team with possibly the best QB in NFL history was in a win or go home position 5 weeks before the end of the season. Yes, they had to deal with Rodgers injury this year but that doesn’t explain the Detroit and Baltimore disasters while AR was out. Nick Foles steps in for Wentz yesterday. Throws 4TDs. No INTs. And wins a division game on the road. Being in a do or die situation starting around week 10 should never happen if your QB is Aaron Rodgers.
GB has had one round one playoff bye the last 5 years. One!?!?!? With the best QB football has ever witnessed. Unacceptable.
So while it’s past due for Capers to be fired. Mike can’t stop there. He needs a complete top down review of changes needed to give Rodgers far more support. Because this “just scrape into the playoffs and let’s see if Aaron can carry us home” **** has to end. And if he won’t do it he needs to go as well.
Considering all the fresh tinder for burning the DC down, I still can't get past that screenshot earlier in the thread from the AZ playoff game that shows BJ Raji as the only guy close enough to Fitzgerald to be on the TV screen on that last big play in OT. Seems like the eponymous moment for Capers D the last 7 years.
Yesterday I saw more of the same pitch-and-catch we've come to expect. I'd say 25 or more teams in the NFL have issues in pass coverage because of the offense-tilted rules and very few D's cover the middle of the field well, but with Capers it just seems to be the norm.
While I'm all for changing DC's, yesterday's game was hardly the fault of the defense.
When you turn the ball over 4 times you're not going to beat very many 9-4 football teams.
TT's MO is building through the draft and constantly bringing in new, cheap players he believes have the talent to generate good returns.
DC MO is disguising blitzes, pressure and pass coverage to confuse or compromise the opponent's plans enough to win on a play by play basis. This requires guys who either grasp the complexity very quickly, or more experienced guys that are good at what DC needs them to do.
The two are not in sync enough for success. Haven't been for 7 of the last 9 years. The two years where they had success were years where TT had some very good FA's that elevated the scheme. 2010 - Woodson, Pickett, Green. 2014 - Peppers, Guion.
Part of the pitch-and-catch against the horrid Packer defense has to be attributed to the front office.
Defensive back snap counts in the Panther game:
S - Clinton-Dix = 75
CB - Randall = 75
S - Burnett = 75
S - Jones = 70
CB - Hawkins = 59
S - Whitehead = 16
S - Evans = 4
CB - Pipkins = 4
Too bad the GM decided years ago that he only works one weekend out of the year. I really don't understand how a defense is not going to get shredded against the pass when they only have two cornerbacks and one of them is probably only practice squad material for over half the teams in the league.
DH13 posted:TT's MO is building through the draft and constantly bringing in new, cheap players he believes have the talent to generate good returns.
DC MO is disguising blitzes, pressure and pass coverage to confuse or compromise the opponent's plans enough to win on a play by play basis. This requires guys who either grasp the complexity very quickly, or more experienced guys that are good at what DC needs them to do.
The two are not in sync enough for success. Haven't been for 7 of the last 9 years. The two years where they had success were years where TT had some very good FA's that elevated the scheme. 2010 - Woodson, Pickett, Green. 2014 - Peppers, Guion.
The reason they were so good in 2010 is that they hit on several cheap, UDFAs that ended up being (in some cases) close to Pro Bowl level contributors. They may have had the best top 3 CBs in the league that year and two of them were were UDFAs on minimum contracts the year they won the Super Bowl (Tramon Williams and Sam Shields).
I think a problem since then is that TT has always assumed there are more guys like Sam Shields out there - diamonds in the rough that just need to be coached up. He hit the lottery at one of the 3 or 4 most critical positions in football twice in a short period.
PackerJoe posted:Part of the pitch-and-catch against the horrid Packer defense has to be attributed to the front office.
Defensive back snap counts in the Panther game:
S - Clinton-Dix = 75
CB - Randall = 75
S - Burnett = 75
S - Jones = 70
CB - Hawkins = 59
S - Whitehead = 16
S - Evans = 4
CB - Pipkins = 4
Too bad the GM decided years ago that he only works one weekend out of the year. I really don't understand how a defense is not going to get shredded against the pass when they only have two cornerbacks and one of them is probably only practice squad material for over half the teams in the league.
TT has missed badly on some recent premium picks (Spriggs being an obvious one), but I still think there is substantial talent on the defense.
It's one thing if you have AJ Hawk trying to run with a RB in pass coverage - that's a talent gap and TT was guilty of not fixing that for years. It's another thing when the opposing receivers are uncovered on blown coverages game after game, year after year. The Greg Olsen TD where he runs untouched and uncovered for a TD shouldn't happen in a high school game. It's not like he ran some incredible route. He literally did not even do anything than run straight ahead. That type of thing happens often with multiple defensive players over many years.
PackerJoe posted:Part of the pitch-and-catch against the horrid Packer defense has to be attributed to the front office.
Defensive back snap counts in the Panther game:
S - Clinton-Dix = 75
CB - Randall = 75
S - Burnett = 75
S - Jones = 70
CB - Hawkins = 59
S - Whitehead = 16
S - Evans = 4
CB - Pipkins = 4
Did not play vs CAR:
CB's - King, Rollins, House
S - Brice
Say what you will, but all have contributed in '17 and would have helped yesterday.
When you are playing Safeties as your nickel CB (Burnett & Whitehead), you are digging deep.
Now, tell me who Thompson should have had waiting in the wings when the injuries hit? Because everyone gets injuries, especially by week 15.
The issue has become a stale message on the defensive side.
The Cam/Clay exchange is a classic example. Clay recognized the wheel route and called it, then Cam knew exactly how to counter - predictable/stale from Dom.
It seems the D is always walking that tight rope of being on the precipice of failure because X position has been decimated by injuries. The highly depleted secondary would have fared better if we had a better pass rush - even with Cody Whitehead. Pass rush has been an issue all season.
I agree it's nearly impossible to win on the road with 4 TO's vs a 9-4 team but if the D could have limited the open field grazing CAR did on offense we still might have pulled it off because well, AR.
We've seen this conundrum before. This team doesn't have a margin for error that allows AR to have an "off" game and still win. A good D should provide that. Adjusting for an ARO, that means 16th or better.