It could if the league average has gone up due to more favorable QB rules. I’m not saying that’s the reason because I don’t know and I’m too lazy to look it up. But, interference is called more often nowadays and that effects completion %. So is roughing the passer.
Pinpoint accuracy used to be one of his defining characteristics. Deterioration is both glaring and significant.
Timpranillo posted:He's gotten worse as the league as a whole has gotten better in Comp %. That's the point.
Wasn't the point when the discussion started. The initial comment I questioned was "how much more inaccurate 'he' has become." The initial comment mentioned nothing about compared to league average.
DH13 posted:I offered this around midseason. After carrying this team under a very specific offense for so many years, he now realizes he doesn't have to. I wonder if for that reason that he has stopped trying to.
That sounds absurd to me -- face of the franchise "realizes he doesn't have to" carry them?? "Stopped trying??
C'mon SON!
Hungry5 posted:Timpranillo posted:He's gotten worse as the league as a whole has gotten better in Comp %. That's the point.
Wasn't the point when the discussion started. The initial comment I questioned was "how much more inaccurate 'he' has become." The initial comment mentioned nothing about compared to league average.
You're right - trying to add broader context was probably a bad move on my part.
Anyway, 62% 68%, whatever! Rodgers is basically no different than he was in 2011. Just as accurate as ever.
...If that damn Bill Schroeder would just run the right route...
Broader context is appreciated.
Never said 62% and 68% were the same.
Comment was "much more inaccurate".
My point was that 2.2 completions/incompletions is not a "much more" number.
Was he off today? Yes.
Do we have higher expectations from AR? Yes.
Does he know he was off today? Yes.
Will he or can he play better going forward? None of us know... I guess we'll find out in a couple weeks.
Funny how phaedrus, who made the initial proclamation, never replied to support his observation.
Pakrz posted:Not recognizing that Aaron Rodgers is far less accurate today than he was in 2011 weakens any arguments you have on football. Seriously...
2.2 completions per game is "far less" accurate?
Rodgers throwing mechanics are so goofy, I don't know if he's changed how he throws, or if he's always had these unorthodox mechanics but was so gifted he still could make pinpoint throws consistently despite them. I see lots and lots of throwing off his back foot and not stepping into his throws. Maybe that worked for him as a younger healthier guy but it is leading to lots of inconsistency the past couple years.
I will say this though, that TD pass to Adams was a lob off his back foot and it was a perfect throw in terms of where it ended up. He still gets enough good throws even with his not so great mechanics that the Pack is 13-3. He's going to need to step it up a bit in 2 weeks though.
Rodgers sucks right now. It’s as simple as that. He’s got to play better. Nothing more to be said. Rodgers has to be better.
Truth. If Rodgers plays like he did vs. the Lie-Downs -- The Pack will be one & done. It's pretty simple.
It would also help if his TE could make a play too. Graham sucks. It's pretty much Adams & sprinkle in a little Lazard (Great TD catch today! Thank GOD!)
Rodgers needs to start connecting on those wheel routes to AJ too.
Completion percentage is going to go down when at least ten of your passes are 30 + yards downfield.
Rodgers needs to play better, absolutely. But whoever is responsible for all those shots downfield, be it MLF or AR-they need to pull their head out of their ass. Yes, we got a touchdown from one. We also got a bunch of 2nd and long, and 3rd and long situations where we punted, too. They're such low success rate throws. When they land, it's fantastic. But know what else is fantastic? 8 minute drives that end in touchdowns, and give your defense a breather.
If we had Jordy Nelson, Donald Driver, Greg Jennings and James Jones out there, I wouldn't want Rodgers to take that many deep shots, even against a poor pass defense like the one Detroit has. And our receiving group (WR and TE) is nowhere near that good, save for Adams.
One of the biggest gains we had all day was on a beautiful screen pass. Mix it up a little. We used to be the best at the screen play, and we've got a fantastic running back that also rocks as a pass catcher. Put Adams in the slot, work in some more short, high percentage pass plays. The Patriots have lived off of that kind of passing game for years. The Saints, too. Brees doesn't throw downfield nearly as often as he once did.
God, I wish we still had Jared Cook right now.
The "yeah, it was a bad throw but the receiver should of caught it" is a bullshit phrase invented by talking heads.
Everything that needed to happen for a successful pass completions happened today; the called play, receivers getting separation/being open, adequate pass protection...everything but the ball being delivered on time and/or accurately.
BrainDed posted:Not enough credit being dished out to the D in this thread. 3 points allowed in the 2nd half with huge stops in huge moments.
Last year we lose this game because the D doesn’t give the O the chance to get their shit together.
I think as fans this is one thing many of us aren't talking enough about. We are kind of hung up with Rodgers not playing as well this year. I agree he needs to play better but the defense is what has me excited. How long has it been since we could sit there and think that the defense could actually win us a game?
Anyhow with all that we are talking about today I will say its been ugly at times this year but I am freaking stoked to see this team 13-3 and with a first round bye.
Positives: Fighting cancer but still here posting.
Negatives: Gotta go back for another treatment today.
Rodgers was bad, but we still won. Not sure if that's a positive or a negative.
antiworst posted:Positives: Fighting cancer but still here posting.
Negatives: Gotta go back for another treatment today.
Rodgers was bad, but we still won. Not sure if that's a positive or a negative.
Hang in there and beat that shit.
Timmy! posted:The "yeah, it was a bad throw but the receiver should of caught it" is a bullshit phrase invented by talking heads.
Everything that needed to happen for a successful pass completions happened today; the called play, receivers getting separation/being open, adequate pass protection...everything but the ball being delivered on time and/or accurately.
How about route execution and timing? I thought it was abundantly clear to most fans that due to the speed of the game passes are going to locations where WR are supposed to be and not eyeballing WRs. Eyeballing a WR is the sandlot and holding the ball that everyone complains about. It's been working with Lazard because he's a big target. WRB on go routes, one that's played a handful of snaps in this offense. Believe it or not they have training camps and practices for a reason. This improvised WR situation is desperation to cover for a shit WR corp. Get some competent receivers who can do more than block then bitch away. Still dumbfounds me this is the biggest accolade they can muster.
Rodgers isn't free from blame but people better pick their narrative of why Rodgers sucks because it can't be one or the other. At this point, Rodgers is the new whipping boy. Blark's got nothing on him.
He looks like always to Helen Keller.
By the way, any male in the public eye that would let that pic get out has a prob.
Hang in there antiworst. 2020 will be your year!
I'm going to enjoy this win and I'm going to enjoy this season.
A few things to be excited about: 1) Gutey hit home runs in all facets in 2018. The first 3 rounds of this draft got us an awesome guard, a starting safety and two players that I think will come on strong in 2020. His free agency moves were awesome. 2) We hired a good coach. MLF has the pulse of this team. Yes, we won many ugly games, but without a good coach, this team falls apart. He's essentially a rookie head coach. Just like players, I expect that he'll continue to improve and innovate.
I have to agree that Rodgers is not playing Rodgers like football. I'm willing to give it another year and hope that a few more weapons and another year in the system will get him back to form.
Now, lets shock the world and make some noise in the playoffs.
I do think Kumerow needs some more looks. Even when he's committing OPI he's at least in the area of the pass.
Also, WRs do need to catch those passes. MVS is not good. Allison blows. Ryan Grant can't even crack this turd WR corp.
I'm grateful for the 1st round bye because Ervin and Jones get more practice time with Rodgers. I still wish they'd use Ervin as a slot guy. He has the quickness and moves.
Pikes Peak posted:...
By the way, any male in the public eye that would let that pic get out has a prob.
Why?
Henry posted:antiworst posted:Positives: Fighting cancer but still here posting.
Negatives: Gotta go back for another treatment today.
Rodgers was bad, but we still won. Not sure if that's a positive or a negative.
Hang in there and beat that shit.
Do'ing my best. Thank you Henry. It's not leaving my kids that's the worst, it's my grandkids. Really close to them...
Boris posted:DH13 posted:I offered this around midseason. After carrying this team under a very specific offense for so many years, he now realizes he doesn't have to. I wonder if for that reason that he has stopped trying to.
That sounds absurd to me -- face of the franchise "realizes he doesn't have to" carry them?? "Stopped trying??
C'mon SON!
I don't think he's stopped trying, I think he's trying to find a new identity within a new offense and part of it is the notion of not having to carry the team. That's a challenge for both Mayo and himself. I could easily see why there could be a huge adjustment to understanding a new role. I think Rodgers is trying to go with Mayo's new scheme but I don't think Mayo has a fully developed scheme either. I have confidence he'll have a more complete system by next season. Plus, Mayo has stated he wasn't going to completely strip out the offense Rodgers has been playing in for 13 years. Guess what? That means every single player on this team was playing in McVince's scheme too. I'm sure there's no learning curve for any of them even Rodgers. It should just be there right? Absurd.
If this team went 8-8, which most expected, the first year HC would be the explanation for all of it and you're lying if you say otherwise. 13-3, Rodgers sucks. That's a hell of a paradox.
antiworst posted:Henry posted:antiworst posted:Positives: Fighting cancer but still here posting.
Negatives: Gotta go back for another treatment today.
Rodgers was bad, but we still won. Not sure if that's a positive or a negative.
Hang in there and beat that shit.
Do'ing my best. Thank you Henry. It's not leaving my kids that's the worst, it's my grandkids. Really close to them...
You aren't going anywhere.
Rodgers had a historic run from 2009-2014. Since that time, he’s been decent just not dominant. I also think he’s slipped since the Barr injury.
There is always something to be said for the talent around him but make no mistake about it. This year, he probably has the best pass blocking OL in the league and a dominant running game to compliment him. Adams is also top 5-6 WR IMO.
I also know stats aren’t everything but he had a QBR of less than 40 in half of his games this year.
Do I think they need a real TE and a real #2 WR? Sure. But it’s not like the cupboard is empty.
The biggest difference this year compared to the last 2-3 years is the addition of the pass rushers, MLF, and the run game. If you want to say Rodgers is a big reason they are 13-3 I guess but Z and Aaron Jones should have a word with you first. Adams and Rodgers certainly matter but 12 isn’t as nearly important as we all think he is. If he were playing at a 2010-2011 level I’d say this team would be the odds on favorite to win it all. They still could win it all but the odds are much lower.
No, the cupboard is pretty empty. When a defense can key in on one guy in the pass game you're a one dimensional offense. That's why they've been turning that run game into a hybrid offense. It's pretty damn impressive but it's still a patchwork situation.
antiworst posted:Positives: Fighting cancer but still here posting.
Negatives: Gotta go back for another treatment today.
Rodgers was bad, but we still won. Not sure if that's a positive or a negative.
Sending positive thoughts your way man. Stay strong and just get through treatment in any way.
Don’t be a stranger. Fuck cancer.
I’m sure the Vikings would gladly trade our offense for theirs because of how porous their OL is. Sure, their receivers and TEs are better but the rest of the squad? I doubt that.
Seattle and Philly don’t have more talent on offense than the Packers. Wilson and Wentz might be better QBs at this point than Rodgers but that’s about it.
The Niners? I think they simply have a better overall TEAM and better coaching and I may put the Saints right behind them in that regard.
So, in the NFC you have a couple of teams that are more talented on offense than GB and honestly KC sets the standard regardless of conference with Baltimore probably right behind them.
I'll say another thing. I always thought this "Coach of the Year" stuff for some new, unknown HC was a joke. 9 times out of 10 the same coach struggles the next year because teams have film on them. Add in the fact often these new coaches are going to teams stacked with high 1st rounders because the team sucked for so long.
With that said, I think if Mayo pulls this off and gets this team to the Superbowl he is very deserving of the title because of how he's adjusted to the passing game deficiencies. It takes balls getting the backfield this involved in the passing game. He's making chicken salad, which is why many of us were excited when he was hired.
I will say this though - if you could do it all over again it would have been nice to see them trade for Emmanuel Sanders. It also would have been nice to have brought back Bashod Breeland.
Of course, the TJ Watt debacle set us back a long time and who knows they may not have had to sign one of the Smiths or draft Gary at 12?
Tschmack posted:I’m sure the Vikings would gladly trade our offense for theirs because of how porous their OL is. Sure, their receivers and TEs are better but the rest of the squad? I doubt that.
Aren't we talking about WR and Rodgers sucking because everyone is great? Having a shitty oline is actually a pretty good reason to have your passing game look like garbage. Plus, CuzzBuzz.
Seattle and Philly don’t have more talent on offense than the Packers. Wilson and Wentz might be better QBs at this point than Rodgers but that’s about it.
Yes they do. If you think MVS, Allison and even Graham are superior you're nuts. Kumerow is a 4th at best. Lazard is inexperienced but gaining ground. Two WR and an inconsistent TE corp and that's being generous. Again, when blocking is the best accolade your WR corp can muster you've got issues.
A. And by far more important than almost anything anyone could ever say on an Internet forum.....GET BETTER ANTIWORST!! You have my prayers, my respect and my admiration. You can beat it.
B. What is deep ball accuracy? I mean I understand accuracy when we talk about a QB zinging the ball 8 to a tight window, but what defines accuracy on a deep throw? I’ve watched quarterback drills where they try to drop the ball into a barrel or hit a target. Very rarely do they succeed (any of them). We can’t be talking a 2 foot window on a deep ball. Some the accuracy has to be dependent on the receiver making adjustments and some on just plain luck.
i get a kick out of announcers talking about how a QB drops the ball in the exact right spot. You can’t tell me that a quarterback does that without luck and a re I ever who gets to the right location.
i think Rodgers worst throw yesterday was the interception, he had WWJ if he gets the ball just a hair deeper.
Tschmack posted:
Of course, the TJ Watt debacle set us back a long time and who knows they may not have had to sign one of the Smiths or draft Gary at 12?
13-3
antiworst posted:Positives: Fighting cancer but still here posting.
Negatives: Gotta go back for another treatment today.
Rodgers was bad, but we still won. Not sure if that's a positive or a negative.
Go fight AW!
Fuck cancer.
YATittle posted:We need to find a rookie like Debo Samuel next year
I think that in order to get a decent WR, Gute may have to move up the board in the 1st Round. CeDe Lamb would be a good target , but he'll go somewhere in the top ten. Some mocks have WR Jerry Jeudy of Alabama off the board by the third pick. Laviska Shennault may be there for the Packers, but by picking him, we may lose out on either of my favorite ILBs in Dylan Moses or Kenneth Murray, Jr. Unless Gute can keep our original pick and add one higher up in the first round. Another WR who is gone by our pick near the bottom of the draft is Henry Ruggs. Jalen Reagor is gone by our pick in the 2nd round, on all the mocks I have seen. Reagor is really fast but his skill set reminds me of Jeff Janis-- Runs not-so-great routes, etc. I don't think we need a project at WR. We need a stud. IMO the 4 best WRs in this draft are Jerry Jeudy of Alabama, CeDe Lamb, of Oklahoma, Henry Ruggs of Alabama and Laviska Shennault, of Colorado. Anyone of those WRs helps this team. A lot of wishful thinking, but there it is.
Hungry5 posted:Has he become much more inaccurate?
Yes.
I remember Rodgers looking average quite a few years ago and then breaking out of it in grand fashion. Maybe it's a cyclical thing.
PackLandVA posted:I sometimes wonder with all the talk about his accuracy and how he doesn't throw interceptions - could this be in his head in that he is often hesitant to make a certain risky throws to minimize the interception probability.
Maybe check out the short throw in the end zone late in the first half to Davante Adams against the Vikings.Adams was running right to left. The ball was behind him which was actually a less safe location. It's the play where everyone said it was an inaccurate pass, but Adams could have caught it.
It was about a 5 yard pass and from left to right was inaccurate by a couple of feet.
Rodgers had a similar inaccurate pass yesterday.
I am perplexed by that inaccuracy. It's not like it was even a 10 yard pass. Nor was it a tight window.