Nah. Math don't prove squat.
49 drunks in a bar, that's the ticket. And Henry bitching endlessly about receivers makes 50. Internet gold.
One drunk is right
And it's so important it ends up in every post in every thread.
Being right is way more important than winning, don't forget.
The goal here is to bitch endlessly. Don't ever stop. And no matter what happens on the field it's the receivers' fault.
I blame Mike Sherman.
Enjoy the season and Happy New Year!
When did we stop blaming Obama?
Blair Kiel posted:When did we stop blaming Obama?
I'm just glad we can say "Happy New Year" again.....
ChilliJon posted:There was a play in Detroit where Irvin ran a motion wheel route with a post underneath outside dig. Rodgers went to Irvin and missed in tight coverage. Adams was by himself in the middle with nobody within 15 yards of him. This shit is going to take time. MLF is giving Rodgers a lot of film to digest. Rodgers is going to figure this all out. Itâs why heâs playing like shit but happy as can be. He knows whatâs coming.
I was watching the all 22 today and saw that. I got screen grab of it and will share it later in the week.
Never came off his 1st read and throw was off his back foot even though there was no pressure.
Not going through his reads, poor mechanics and seeing ghosts. That about sums it up...
Probably just need better receivers.
QuietOne posted:Congratulations! So badly needed! I received a letter stating my blood is good for donating to babies (lack of "hard to remember name" virus antibodies), so that gives me extra incentive. I encourage anyone who can donate to please do so.
You were likely "CMV Negative", QO.
I used to donate for the very same reason.
I hope no one minds if I dedicate this season to Antiworst and Phaedrus.
I don't care if it's ugly, just win, baby!
ChilliJon posted:There was a play in Detroit where Irvin ran a motion wheel route with a post underneath outside dig. Rodgers went to Irvin and missed in tight coverage. Adams was by himself in the middle with nobody within 15 yards of him. This shit is going to take time. MLF is giving Rodgers a lot of film to digest. Rodgers is going to figure this all out. Itâs why heâs playing like shit but happy as can be. He knows whatâs coming.
In one of AR's pressers a couple of weeks ago he alluded to this. He said that he was a "reps guy" and just has not had enough reps in this offense to make it automatic. It isn't physical.....he overthrows, under throws, the arm is still there.....it can only get better.
Well if he is a "reps guy" maybe he should play a little more in pre season games.
FLPACKER posted:ChilliJon posted:There was a play in Detroit where Irvin ran a motion wheel route with a post underneath outside dig. Rodgers went to Irvin and missed in tight coverage. Adams was by himself in the middle with nobody within 15 yards of him. This shit is going to take time. MLF is giving Rodgers a lot of film to digest. Rodgers is going to figure this all out. Itâs why heâs playing like shit but happy as can be. He knows whatâs coming.
In one of AR's pressers a couple of weeks ago he alluded to this. He said that he was a "reps guy" and just has not had enough reps in this offense to make it automatic. It isn't physical.....he overthrows, under throws, the arm is still there.....it can only get better.
Exactly.
ammo posted:Well if he is a "reps guy" maybe he should play a little more in pre season games.
Can't get reps if two of your main receivers either aren't WRs or weren't on the team. Pretty sure they weren't using or were planning to use the new WRB position until they had to.
Why? Because the WR corp fucking sucks.
I agree with you both. Rodgers needs to take better advantage of the pre season and the WR corp fucking sucks.
it can only get better.
This guy agrees:
(BK is jealous of that hair.)
MichiganPacker2 posted:BrainDed posted:WR pecking order should be:
Adams
Lazard
Kumero
MVS
AllisonMoving Jesus up to 3 is more an indictment of the others than anything. Allison has been the worst WR in the NFL. At 5.2 yards per target he is the 2nd least productive WR in the NFL with 50 plus targets. Now toss in that he seems to fumble the ball every 3 touches and he is a legit problem the offense has to overcome.
MVS is just a **** hair better because he doesn't fumble and at least threatens the top of a defense.
There was a play on Sunday where Allison broke open in a critical situation, it looked like Rodgers looked right at him and then waited for someone else to come open. Can't say I blame Rodgers, Allison is a turnover waiting to happen every time he runs with the ball.
Trust is important to have in order to win games as it is to be successful leading people. This is my biggest issue with Rodgers - his lack of trust. Trust the system and throw the fuckin ball. Yeah the WR corp sucks, but it is what it is. Deal with it. Throw the ball and see what happens.
Disagree. Plus, I don't see a cohesive system. He makes those throws to Jones or even Ervin. I don't blame him for not going to Allison or MVS.
Then they should not be on the field period. Especially GMO. MVS can occasionally, accidentally catch the deep ball and take it into the EZ.
Completely agree. It would appear they are on the field more for their blocking at this point or in MVS's case, to maybe threaten with his speed. Considering the run game has been highly effective I guess that's a way to get something out of them.
I think WWJ is the best blocking receiver. He should be out there more than the other two.
1000% agree. If I'm Mayo I'm building my playoff passing scheme around Adams, Lazard, WWJ, Ervin and Jones. I really hope Sternberger can contribute something because that would be huge. As far as "heroes of the playoffs", Sternberger would have the biggest potential if he can get on the field.
Lazard is the best blocking WR. GMO is 2nd.
Pistol GB posted:The goal here is to bitch endlessly. Don't ever stop. And no matter what happens on the field it's the receivers' fault.
Pakrz posted:Not going through his reads, poor mechanics and seeing ghosts. That about sums it up...
Probably just need better receivers.
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Not sure where he's missing reads. Taking the option to throw is a different matter.
Timing way more of an issue than mechanics. A bad improvised throw because you don't justifiable trust your shitty receivers will happen.
No clue about your ghost theory.
The receivers suck and since it's a team sport that generally has an effect on everyone on the field.
MichiganPacker2 posted:If Gute had to one thing over again from last off-season (which was an A level performance in terms of signing the Smiths, Amos, and drafting Savage and Jenkins (and Gary isn't a total bust)), it would have been to keep Cobb around at 5 million a year. He would have made a huge difference in the passing game.
I think this offense would have a whole different feel with Cobb (I had zero problem parting with Cobb due to his health). I also think it wouldn't have stripped anything away from the current run game.
DH13 posted:He's been getting TE snaps for weeks.
Well then I haven't been paying attention.
(Here's a freebie for that meatball Pistol. Take the easy one, it's all you'll get.)
I trust he is getting the needed reps
Timpranillo posted:Hungry5 posted:Has he become much more inaccurate?
Yes.
2008 - 2014 His avg finish in Comp % was 6th
2015 - 2019 His avg finish in Comp % was 17th
bdplant posted:I think heâs always been hesitant to make certain risky throws. Heâs the anti-Bert....which is a good thing.
Or it could be that stats are so ridiculously cherry picked they make no sense without context.
Do you have a stat for passing scheme? How about talent drain/gain? Oh wait, #1 in separation. What about 1st year coaching efficiency? Maybe OC proclivity for wearing boxers?
Stupid made up shit just like Wall Street derivatives.
13-3 = Fact. There is no other explanation for 13-3. You cannot spin 13-3 into anything else.
Get over yourself McVincePlant.
Timpranillo posted:Hungry5 posted:One way to look at it.
Another way...
2011, arguably his best season.
AR is 343 of 502 for 68.3% completion.2019
AR is 353 of 569 for 62.0% completion.35 more completions on the 2019 season and he has a nearly identical comp % as 2011.
That's a little better than 2 completions per game.Is that "much more" inaccurate?
Yes.
In 2011 he finished 2nd in the league in Comp %
In 2019 based on today's numbers he'll come in at 21st in the league in Comp %
A drop from 2nd in the league to 21st in the league is significant.
Just as averaging 6th in Comp % 2008-2014 vs averaging 18th (updated now with all week 16 stats) in Comp % 2015-2019 is a significant drop.
So does other QBs having better completion stats make Rodgers more inaccurate? You're basing his inaccuracy on what other QBs are doing around the league. Is Mahomes, Watson and Jackson emergence into the league causing Rodgers to be more inaccurate or maybe their ascendance is knocking him down a bit? I'm sure Rodgers didn't affect anyone else's stat standings when he came into the league. How about the years when Rodgers was injured? Does that mean his lack of passes makes him more inaccurate or simply not being available affects those overall stats? What about stale offenses where every defense knows what you're going to run. Can't see how that would affect completion rates. How about drops or weather or Jimmy Graham's lack of man kegels?
"much more" my ass. You can watch a game and see something's not right but yet Rodgers and team does enough to pull it out.
It makes me laugh how a lack of talent or inexperienced talent, a new coach with a new scheme with Rodgers and his teammates adjusting couldn't be taken into account for those lovely stats.
But that's just how we "feel". We've never seen other teams go through coaching transitions only to improve in the next year because there is a bigger playbook and more cohesiveness on the team. Never. Apparently, everyone just expects the system to drop into place and everything is turnkey. That's the norm. Historical data has nothing on stats.
13-3 with a first round bye.
I find it hilarious that people would defend scrub players to the death over a proven HOF QB that's going through the same transition as everyone else. Yes, Rodgers must of dropped off such a significant cliff that fucking UDFAs and flyer draft picks are clearly not an issue at all.
Lolol
90% of 'Lolol' are insincere.
artis posted:Seriously, the fumbles have gotten ridiculous.
Other teams are on to this now. They are looking to strip the ball from him every time he has it in his hands. He's now a huge liability.
PackerHawk posted:artis posted:Seriously, the fumbles have gotten ridiculous.
Other teams are on to this now. They are looking to strip the ball from him every time he has it in his hands. He's now a huge liability.
On a side note, Blark's ball protection on his pick was inexcusable.
So my son-in law asked me this during the game Sunday. "When a player makes a punch at the ball with his fist and misses yet hits the player, shouldn't that be an unsportsman like penalty?" He did throw a punch only it was during the play, not after the play.
So Lazard runs a great skinny post off play action in Detroit and he's WIDE open underneath a S playing single high deep for a huge gain. And Rodgers misses him by 5 yards with an overthrow.
Did Lazard flatten his route? Yes. Should he have flattened that route to ensure he kept separation? Yes. Did Rodgers throw to a spot the route should have gone? Yes. Technically everyone did what they were supposed to do perfectly. And it resulted in an ugly incomplete pass.
At some point Rodgers is going to stop throwing to "spots" and start throwing to receivers. Same goes for his throw to a wide open Jones for what should have been an easy TD. tt sounds simple and easy but Rodgers has a lot of unlearning to do and its going to take a little time. But when it all clicks it's going to be devastating.
My prediction is Rodgers will be above 70% completion percentage in 2020 with 40 plus TD's in this offense. I just hope it starts with the 2019 playoffs.
ChilliJon posted:So Lazard runs a great skinny post off play action in Detroit and he's WIDE open underneath a S playing single high deep for a huge gain. And Rodgers misses him by 5 yards with an overthrow.
Did Lazard flatten his route? Yes. Should he have flattened that route to ensure he kept separation? Yes. Did Rodgers throw to a spot the route should have gone? Yes. Technically everyone did what they were supposed to do perfectly. And it resulted in an ugly incomplete pass.
At some point Rodgers is going to stop throwing to "spots" and start throwing to receivers. Same goes for his throw to a wide open Jones for what should have been an easy TD. tt sounds simple and easy but Rodgers has a lot of unlearning to do and its going to take a little time. But when it all clicks it's going to be devastating.
It's going to be devastating when this happens and they have Jones, Adams, Lazard, an NFL caliber pass-catching TE, and either MVS "gets it" or they get another guy that can stretch the field.
I don't see the All-22 film, so watching the game in person was the first opportunity I've had to see the whole field. On many plays the Lions defense was lining up their single safety (or sometimes 2 safeties) within 8 yards of the LOS. They simply bracketed Adams and played press coverage against anyone else. The other guys can't get open 1 x 1. Lazard wasn't really open on the TD, he's just such a big guy that he jumped over a very good corner in Slay and caught a post that he was well covered on.
The huge number of deep passes were based on where the ball should go when the opposing team is playing near the LOS. It makes the fact that Jones gets 4-5 yards on tough runs in the middle even more impressive.