RochNyFan posted:antiworst posted:Positives: Fighting cancer but still here posting.
Negatives: Gotta go back for another treatment today.
Rodgers was bad, but we still won. Not sure if that's a positive or a negative.
Wishing you the best. Beat that f'n disease.
Beat it with a big effing stick! Get well and stay well!
I wish there was a better crop of Free Agent WRs coming this off season.
AJ Green, Robby Anderson and Nelson Agholor are the only three that intrigue me at all. All have had injury issues but I think would fit a need.
Green and Adams would be one hell of a pair if Green could stay on the field.
Anderson would be a definite upgrade at #2.
Agholor could be the good slot guy the team does not have.
At TE, Austin Hooper, Hunter Henry, Eric Ebron are set to be FAs. Any of the three could probably be had for less than Jimmy Graham money and all would provide more.
At ILB there are some interesting guys. If GB could sign Joe Schobert for the same money as Martinez is going to seek, I'd be all over that. Same with Cory Littleton. Hell, I'd take Kwiatkowski in a swap.
The increased snaps for Lazard has been a great development. Now we need Kumerow to see a few more.
The two of them could provide the spark we need for a deep run in the playoffs.
And Sternberger.
WR pecking order should be:
Adams
Lazard
Kumero
MVS
Allison
Moving Jesus up to 3 is more an indictment of the others than anything. Allison has been the worst WR in the NFL. At 5.2 yards per target he is the 2nd least productive WR in the NFL with 50 plus targets. Now toss in that he seems to fumble the ball every 3 touches and he is a legit problem the offense has to overcome.
MVS is just a **** hair better because he doesn't fumble and at least threatens the top of a defense.
ammo posted:fightphoe93 posted:Out of all the receivers the Pack currently has that are not named Davante Adams, he's the only one I'd definitely like to see back next year.
I want to see St. Brown back. He showed more than MVS last season IMHO, we really don't know what he can do being on IR all this season.
St. Brown is definitely worth another look next year. GMo is gone. MVS still under contract so he will get another TC and likely/hopefully lose his roster spot.
AtTheMurph posted:I wish there was a better crop of Free Agent WRs coming this off season.
AJ Green, Robby Anderson and Nelson Agholor are the only three that intrigue me at all. All have had injury issues but I think would fit a need.
Green and Adams would be one hell of a pair if Green could stay on the field.
Anderson would be a definite upgrade at #2.
Agholor could be the good slot guy the team does not have.
At TE, Austin Hooper, Hunter Henry, Eric Ebron are set to be FAs. Any of the three could probably be had for less than Jimmy Graham money and all would provide more.
At ILB there are some interesting guys. If GB could sign Joe Schobert for the same money as Martinez is going to seek, I'd be all over that. Same with Cory Littleton. Hell, I'd take Kwiatkowski in a swap.
Living in the Philly area and seeing much Eagle news - I wouldn’t touch Agholor with a 100’ pole. He is injury prone and a head case - with questionable desire to play football.
AJ Green - agree he would pair great with Adams.
I LOL'd when Eagles drafted Agholor. Thought he'd be a YOOOOGE bust.
He's not a bust, but he certainly isn't worth the first round pick that the Eagles used on him. Pass.
Gimme AJ Green for 2-3 years
BrainDed posted:WR pecking order should be:
Adams
Lazard
Kumero
MVS
AllisonMoving Jesus up to 3 is more an indictment of the others than anything. Allison has been the worst WR in the NFL. At 5.2 yards per target he is the 2nd least productive WR in the NFL with 50 plus targets. Now toss in that he seems to fumble the ball every 3 touches and he is a legit problem the offense has to overcome.
MVS is just a **** hair better because he doesn't fumble and at least threatens the top of a defense.
There was a play on Sunday where Allison broke open in a critical situation, it looked like Rodgers looked right at him and then waited for someone else to come open. Can't say I blame Rodgers, Allison is a turnover waiting to happen every time he runs with the ball.
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antiworst posted:Positives: Fighting cancer but still here posting.
Negatives: Gotta go back for another treatment today.
Rodgers was bad, but we still won. Not sure if that's a positive or a negative.
Cancer sucks. Please keep fighting. Take care.
QO
MichiganPacker2 posted:BrainDed posted:WR pecking order should be:
Adams
Lazard
Kumero
MVS
AllisonMoving Jesus up to 3 is more an indictment of the others than anything. Allison has been the worst WR in the NFL. At 5.2 yards per target he is the 2nd least productive WR in the NFL with 50 plus targets. Now toss in that he seems to fumble the ball every 3 touches and he is a legit problem the offense has to overcome.
MVS is just a **** hair better because he doesn't fumble and at least threatens the top of a defense.
There was a play on Sunday where Allison broke open in a critical situation, it looked like Rodgers looked right at him and then waited for someone else to come open. Can't say I blame Rodgers, Allison is a turnover waiting to happen every time he runs with the ball.
The cupboard isn't empty as some would say or #1 in separation others would say.
Try to devise a game plan where you know there's a 50/50 chance most of the WRs won't be able to execute it. If the Packers get to the Super Bowl, Mayo is exceptionally deserving of coach of the year.
GB can add Jerry Rice, Sterling Sharpe and Rob Gronkowski in their prime and it won't matter a lick if the ball is thrown over their head, behind them or at their feet.
Interesting the number of missed throws the past few weeks to Adams and Lazard compared to others.
The issue I see with Kumerow is he needs to have 1-2 yards of separation. He rarely gets a contested ball thrown to him, and when he does I don't recall him ever catching one. MVS and even Allison have shown they will attack the ball. Their problems have been catching (MVS) and hanging onto (Allison).
Great video clip circulating today of James Jones back in August rolling through his Packer season prediction on NFL Network. He predicted 13-3. To be fair he missed 4 games. Philly W, Dallas L, SF W and Detroit L (only because they'd have a playoff bye locked up and rest starters)
NFL Network hosts were completely clowning Jones for thinking GB would sniff 13-3.
James Jones is highly underrated as a guy that knows things in his role on NFL Network.
El-Nuke-the-Hurricanes-Bong posted:I wonder what year two and a first round WR would do.
Super Bowl 
So back-to-back then?
Hungry5 posted:Interesting the number of missed throws the past few weeks to Adams and Lazard compared to others.
Yeah, gotta be the QB, not our stellar WR's.
Of course... f'ing receivers man.
ChilliJon posted:
James Jones is highly underrated as a guy that knows things
Maybe Haslam should give him a call. I hear Cleveland is looking for a GM. He'd fit right in with Wolf and Highsmith.
Hungry5 posted:The issue I see with Kumerow is he needs to have 1-2 yards of separation. He rarely gets a contested ball thrown to him, and when he does I don't recall him ever catching one. MVS and even Allison have shown they will attack the ball. Their problems have been catching (MVS) and hanging onto (Allison).
I think he had a pretty good contested catch against KC
https://youtu.be/YSVySFTOEeY?t=18
Pakrz posted:GB can add Jerry Rice, Sterling Sharpe and Rob Gronkowski in their prime and it won't matter a lick if the ball is thrown over their head, behind them or at their feet.
Can't trust those stiffs
I think it is obvious Rodgers missed a bunch of throws. I think it is obvious outside of Adams and some promise from Lazard, this is a weak, weak receiving corp.
I assume Rodgers is back next year, so why is it so bad to hope for better receivers to throw at?
ammo posted:ChilliJon posted:
James Jones is highly underrated as a guy that knows things
Maybe Haslam should give him a call. I hear Cleveland is looking for a GM. He'd fit right in with Wolf and Highsmith.
Just a hunch. But DePodesta is looking for control over everything and Wolf and Highsmith are looking to get out as fast as possible.
Regarding GB. When you look at the film the last month MLF is bringing some crazy great concepts to the table and Rodgers is having a tough time trusting what he's seeing. It's the only explanation I have. Guys are WIDE open and Rodgers isn't seeing them or missing them. It's like Rodgers is trying to unlearn the last three years of fire drill offense and it's just not translating. Yet....
BrainDed posted:WR pecking order should be:
Adams
Lazard
Kumero
MVS
AllisonMoving Jesus up to 3 is more an indictment of the others than anything. Allison has been the worst WR in the NFL. At 5.2 yards per target he is the 2nd least productive WR in the NFL with 50 plus targets. Now toss in that he seems to fumble the ball every 3 touches and he is a legit problem the offense has to overcome.
MVS is just a **** hair better because he doesn't fumble and at least threatens the top of a defense.
Agree with top two, unless Gute brings in a high draft pick or free agent for #2. Also think ESB will be a contributor.
ChilliJon posted:ammo posted:ChilliJon posted:
James Jones is highly underrated as a guy that knows things
Maybe Haslam should give him a call. I hear Cleveland is looking for a GM. He'd fit right in with Wolf and Highsmith.
Just a hunch. But DePodesta is looking for control over everything and Wolf and Highsmith are looking to get out as fast as possible.
More than a hunch....Highsmith is out already. Wolf would be smert if he left.
https://factoryofsadness.co/20...depodesta-highsmith/
It's probably the reason Dorsey is gone. What a shit show in Cleveland. If I'm Landry & OBJ, I demand a trade.
Submitted a survey. LMK what you all think?
Lazard gets better and better every week. He probably had 5-6 routes he ran in Detroit that basically made him uncoverable. He ran a deep double move post that he broke outside that screwed the corner and S into Ford Fields turf. But he’s still a work in progress. He flattens out routes he shouldn’t. He bends routes deep when he shouldn’t. He hasn’t learned how to work the sidelines to his advantage. I’m totally on board with GB finding a disciplined route runner at WR very early in the draft. They need one to compliment Adams. Get that and Lazard some coaching this offseason and Rodgers a second year in this scheme then good luck and God bless NFL.
Pakrz posted:GB can add Jerry Rice, Sterling Sharpe and Rob Gronkowski in their prime and it won't matter a lick if the ball is thrown over their head, behind them or at their feet.
You'd have to think the whole shitty pass game is the fault of one person.
El-Nuke-the-Hurricanes-Bong posted:I think it is obvious Rodgers missed a bunch of throws. I think it is obvious outside of Adams and some promise from Lazard, this is a weak, weak receiving corp.
I assume Rodgers is back next year, so why is it so bad to hope for better receivers to throw at?
It's not bad at all, just like it's not bad to hope AR12 gets out of his funk & improves his accuracy.
ChilliJon posted:ammo posted:ChilliJon posted:
James Jones is highly underrated as a guy that knows things
Maybe Haslam should give him a call. I hear Cleveland is looking for a GM. He'd fit right in with Wolf and Highsmith.
Just a hunch. But DePodesta is looking for control over everything and Wolf and Highsmith are looking to get out as fast as possible.
Regarding GB. When you look at the film the last month MLF is bringing some crazy great concepts to the table and Rodgers is having a tough time trusting what he's seeing. It's the only explanation I have. Guys are WIDE open and Rodgers isn't seeing them or missing them. It's like Rodgers is trying to unlearn the last three years of fire drill offense and it's just not translating. Yet....
Regarding Rodgers - I’ve had a similar thought for the last couple of weeks - that he’s having to unlearn something that’s been rote for 10 years while trying to replace it with something quite different. Whether it’s looking at the field differently or different length throws, etc. we can only hope it begins to click soooon.
I don’t think it’s a 10 year thing. It regressed from a Jordy, Jennings, Jones, Driver thing that slowly degraded to “Fuck it. Aaron will figure it out” and he kinda did until he didn’t and then he’s presented with actual routes open on time and he’s used to holding the ball because guys shouldn’t be open like they are as fast as they are and it’s all just different and foreign looking. The wheel concepts with 2 level crossing routes must look like Chinese in Russian to Rodgers given the last three years. Next level stuff that I assume he loves but is having trouble grasping. Here’s the thing. It’s fun having a coach that’s a step ahead of Rodgers. Not the opposite.
But if he's as smart as it is reported, you'd think he'd figure it out sooner rather than later.
Pakrz posted:Of course... f'ing receivers man.
Handful of scrub receivers or the HOF QB. I have zero problem stating the majority of the issues in the passing game are due to a serious deficit of WR talent.
Henry posted:Pakrz posted:GB can add Jerry Rice, Sterling Sharpe and Rob Gronkowski in their prime and it won't matter a lick if the ball is thrown over their head, behind them or at their feet.
You'd have to think the whole shitty pass game is the fault of one person.
His throws to Adams are almost always right on the money.
Most, but not all, of his throws to Lazard look good. The throws to Kumerow also look good.
He misfires to Aaron Jones, MVS, and Allison quite often. They often look like they've never worked on routes together. Jones is a great RB who is great at running AFTER he catches the ball. He runs great route, but he's not great at tracking the ball in the air. Rodgers air mailed a sure TD at the end of the first half to him on Sunday when he tried to hit him in stride, but threw a sidearm one perfectly to him when Jones just had to catch the ball in his chest and then turn upfield.
Rodgers was an all-time top 10 QB who is now fading a bit, but is still a top 10 guy in the league. I agree with Henry that some of this is on the receivers. He very seldom misses or missed on throws to Nelson, Cobb, Jennings, Adams, or James Jones. I think Lazard and Kumerow are good route runners. MVS and Allison are like Jeff Janis - their routes aren't crisp, they round things off, and MVS doesn't track the ball well.
If Gute had to one thing over again from last off-season (which was an A level performance in terms of signing the Smiths, Amos, and drafting Savage and Jenkins (and Gary isn't a total bust)), it would have been to keep Cobb around at 5 million a year. He would have made a huge difference in the passing game.
There was a play in Detroit where Irvin ran a motion wheel route with a post underneath outside dig. Rodgers went to Irvin and missed in tight coverage. Adams was by himself in the middle with nobody within 15 yards of him. This shit is going to take time. MLF is giving Rodgers a lot of film to digest. Rodgers is going to figure this all out. It’s why he’s playing like shit but happy as can be. He knows what’s coming.
EC Pack posted:But if he's as smart as it is reported, you'd think he'd figure it out sooner rather than later.
Patience, the preseason is now over. Big boy football is coming up.
Pikes Peak posted:EC Pack posted:But if he's as smart as it is reported, you'd think he'd figure it out sooner rather than later.
Patience, the preseason is now over. Big boy football is coming up.
Hey!! That what I said after the Packers were 3-1
BrainDed posted:WR pecking order should be:
Adams
Lazard
Kumero
MVS
AllisonMoving Jesus up to 3 is more an indictment of the others than anything. Allison has been the worst WR in the NFL. At 5.2 yards per target he is the 2nd least productive WR in the NFL with 50 plus targets. Now toss in that he seems to fumble the ball every 3 touches and he is a legit problem the offense has to overcome.
MVS is just a **** hair better because he doesn't fumble and at least threatens the top of a defense.
Seriously, the fumbles have gotten ridiculous.
