Giants coffee talk

Last 6 games Packers offense avg 30.8 ppg, defense allowing avg 18.7 ppg

Last 6 games Giants offense avg 17.6 ppg, defense allowing avg 14 ppg

Last 4 games Packers offense avg 34.25 ppg, defense allowing avg 21.5 ppg

Last 4 games Giants offense avg 16.25 ppg, defense allowing avg 11.75 ppg

This is a league geared to offense.

This is a game geared to match ups. We shall see.

PackerPatrick posted:

I have been disappointed with our pass rush. Some of that is due to other teams beating it with quick throws, screens, delays and the cushion we give their receivers in zone coverage. Also we have Clay, Perry and Elliot playing hurt or not at all. We try to blitz and it gets picked up. Instead we need our front d-line to get constant pressure with the occasional LB or D-back blitzing. We need a big day from the big men, with others doing their jobs well. Push the pocket where Eli lives. I have seen too many blitzes not get home and a big play happens against us. I agree that pressure on Eli is a key. But that's easier said than done with the weapons we currently have.

I am ok winning a shootout too.

Regarding your disappointment with the pass rush, I post the below from Satori, 2 days ago in this thread.

As for your shootout comment, the NYG have 3 games of 27 pts and 1 game of 28 pts. They score in the teens, a lot  -  they have games of 16, 10, 16, 17, 14, 10, 17, 19, & 19.

The Packers have avg'd over 30 ppg over their 6 game Run the table™

Satori posted:

The Mighty Green Bay Packers are tied for 6th in the NFL in sacks and sack percentage. Its been a real mix of guys so far, 12 different Packer defenders have recorded a sack this year, including rookie 5-tech, Dean Lowry

The one piece missing lately is the safety blitz /corner cat. And those have dropped off due to all the injuries at CB, so the Safeties have to stay deep and baby sit.

Stated another way,  there are 25 other NFL teams that wish  they could rush the passer as well as the 2016 Packers. 

Added bonus is that Marshall Newhouse will be at RT on Sunday evening 

Goalline posted:

This is a game geared to match ups. We shall see.

I think this is spot on. I think GB matches up really well against the Giants. Same way the Giants match up well against Dallas. 

Goalline posted:

Mcpacker64 posted:

Since I failed two of my four sons educating them on which was the greatest team in the NFL they became fans of the Giants & the other the Falcons. I state this cuz I had to sit & watch many,too many, Giants games. The one thing that is most apparent to me is this; Keep pressure on Eli,hit him,knock him down & he will start throwing wild,inaccurate passes (PICKS).

My oldest is an Eagles fan. Shouldn't allow the wolves to raise our kids.

It could be worse.  You could have raised a Chelsea fan. 

Weakest part of the Giants is their offensive line. Let's see some pressure !!! Was expecting to feast against the crappy O-lines of the Colts and Vikings - defense got torched. Time to light it up !!

I'm watching the Packers v Giants game on 10/09. Eli was terrible when we got pressure on him. Big key to the game obviously 

Hope Elliott is back. Like him on the blitz a lot more than Jake Ryan.

We seem to treat Russell Wilson like a pinata. Let's do more of that.

Guess I'm the only one who thinks GB needs to generate a pass rush against Eli.

ChilliJon posted:

Guess I'm the only one who thinks GB needs to generate a pass rush against Eli.

I do too

Me too

ChilliJon posted:

Guess I'm the only one who thinks GB needs to generate a pass rush against Eli.

I'll take narcissists for 500 Alex.

Do I want a pass rush? Of course I do! We all do! Will it actually happen? I sure hope so. And will it happen this game?  I don't know. But we can create good pressure and should do that if we expect to win. Often pressure is almost a effective as a sack. I know we can do that.

I don't mind the offense carrying the game for us. Rodgers is Hot right now and our defense is just ok considering what and whom we have to play with.

Sack numbers don't tell the whole story.  What's really important is whether or not you're getting consistent pressure on the Q.  Press the pocket, disrupt his timing, clog the lanes, etc.  Should be a fun game.

Fedya posted:

Goalline posted:

Mcpacker64 posted:

Since I failed two of my four sons educating them on which was the greatest team in the NFL they became fans of the Giants & the other the Falcons. I state this cuz I had to sit & watch many,too many, Giants games. The one thing that is most apparent to me is this; Keep pressure on Eli,hit him,knock him down & he will start throwing wild,inaccurate passes (PICKS).

My oldest is an Eagles fan. Shouldn't allow the wolves to raise our kids.

It could be worse.  You could have raised a Chelsea fan. 

I wasn't raised by Russian whores.

time to file a trademark lawsuit H5!  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw10YxLC5g4

edit:  I only listened to the first few seconds cuz it sure sounded like it was gonna suck so my apologies for any ear damage.  just thought it funny that somebody's already trying to capitalize on it...  wait, this is amurika in 2017, I'm not surprised.

I mean we're talking about an OL with MARSHALL NEWHOUSE out there!

Left tackle Ereck Flowers is graded by Pro Football Focus as the No. 59 tackle. I know the suspect nature of which PFF is viewed, but whatever the metric, our OLB's should be licking their chops

BTW, both PackerPatrick and DH3 posted the same message - not about the sacks, its about pressure- putting fear in Eli Mae so he does something stupid. Like Favre stupid. 

YATittle posted:

I mean we're talking about an OL with MARSHALL NEWHOUSE out there!

Bingo.  Amongst Packers/Giants playoff matchups in the past, the team that had Marshall Newhouse has never won a game (Of course it was only 1 game, but you get my point.   .   The Giants will experience the Newhouse factor this weekend.....  I hope.

In the 2007 and 2011 playoff matchups, the Giants did win the battle of the trenches in both games.  I don't know that they can do that this time with an O-Line as shaky as what they have today.  I don't necessarily expect the Pack to dominate the trenches, but I think it's a more even battle than those other 2 games were.

Low scoring-High scoring, I don't care. Just as long as we are at least one point higher when time expires.

My expectations are that the Giants will be able to gash our secondary some. The goal is to simply limit them scorewise.  How to pull it off is the question. I agree with most posters that on paper they don't look all that scary on the offensive line yet they do have a great receiving corps. Our secondary scares no one. So I think it is up to the "bigs" to limit the run and pressure Manning. I don't like the idea of lots of blitzes that leave us a man or two short in coverage.

michiganjoe posted:

Bob Holtzman ESPN 

I covered Packers-Giants in October and, if I were a Packers fan, what I saw that night would concern me. Aaron Rodgers had arguably his worst game of the season against a team coached by Ben McAdoo, a longtime Packers offensive assistant. Rodgers was intercepted twice and completed just 51%, his lowest in the last 24 games. At the time McAdoo was asked about his knowledge of Rodgers and said, "I'm not counting on that for much." It sure didn't look that way.

Think Rodgers has picked up his game just a bit since October, Bob.

I just rewatched the first half of that game.  The only thing hindering Rodgers was Rodgers.  He was still showing some of that inaccuracy and not finding the open guy at that point in the season.  He threw 2 picks, 1 bounced right off Jordy's mits, the other was a poor decision.  The OL gave him loads of time to throw.  He missed some really easy short dump off throws too.  I really didn't see their D doing much of anything to stop him.  

Others: Boy I miss Lacy.  Regardless of Monty and Rip's emergence this team still needs a guy like Lacy.  He did some big things in the first half.  Jordy still shaking off rust, dropped 3 balls that would have been big plays.  Cobb was having a nice game, D was getting pressure on Eli.

I still have to watch 2nd half but if that was AR's "worst game of the season", then the rest of the NFL needs to worry.  I don't think the guy even watched the game, just looked at the stats.  

How can 25 people not like this?

time to file a trademark lawsuit H5!  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw10YxLC5g4

I admit to not following the Giants much this year but isn't one of they biggest problems been the OL?  I mean they have Marshall freaking Newhouse starting for them.  I also agree that generating a pass rush is probably THE key to this game.  You don't have to sack Manning but get pressure on him and make him uncomfortable in the pocket.  One thing that Eli will do is press and force the ball at times and if you have a pass rush on him that could be what happens. 

in a big fwiw, a guy on Biil Michel's radio show, didn't catch his name, doesn't think Pennel will be back until next week, assuming a GBP win.

Second half: Jordy drops another, RR drops a beautiful sideline TD throw.  AR cleaned up his accuracy so his incompletions resulted from tight coverage by their DB's.

All in all I don't know what "bob Holtzman" was seeing.  GB controlled that game pretty much whistle to whistle.  Cobb looked like the best WR out there in that game.  Once Lacy went out with the injury, the offense downshifted a bit and the play action wasn't as effective.  The most encouraging thing I saw was our D handling their WR's, even without Shields or Randall.  The only thing we will be missing this time around is Rollins.  So I'm optimistic we can at least limit their passing game.  Their run game was pretty bad in WK05 and is better now so that could be an issue.  Another encouraging thing is we had consistent pressure on Eli and he made a lot of bad throws and had bad ball security because of it.

Both teams are in different places now vs WK05 so who has improved the most?  Our D may not be as stout because of injuries but the offense is cruising.  Their D is playing better and maybe they found a run game?  All those seem to even out and I would predict a similar outcome.  But it is the playoffs...

This is a huge game for Perry. He has a chance to make a lot of money from here on out. 

PackerPatrick posted:

Low scoring-High scoring, I don't care. Just as long as we are at least one point higher when time expires.

My expectations are that the Giants will be able to gash our secondary some. The goal is to simply limit them scorewise.  How to pull it off is the question. I agree with most posters that on paper they don't look all that scary on the offensive line yet they do have a great receiving corps. Our secondary scares no one. So I think it is up to the "bigs" to limit the run and pressure Manning. I don't like the idea of lots of blitzes that leave us a man or two short in coverage.

I suspect zone between the 20's while hoping for a break and then man w/ pressure in the redzone.   Limit the big gainers, the proverbial bend but don't break.

Randall was biggest WR in WK05.  Can't expect he'll be 100% with that ankle.

Sounded like he was ready to go last week, but since they were in when WAS lost he was kept inactive.

Cobb is a matchup nightmare for NY. Question is. Is GERONIMO!!!! capable of being that same matchup nightmare? 

I don't know why but I'm not worried.  The Packers are the scrappy team this offseason.  I don't care what MM and Rodgers say, the press and fan talk got to them.  Glad they're pissed.

Agreed.  The more I think about it, the more I grow confident that we'll get the W.  We've got Rodgers healthy and playing some of his best ball EVER, and we're playing at Lambeau.  On the other side, the Giants have a stout defense, but Eli & Co. have been sub-par all season.  This talk of Manning being able to simply flip a switch in the postseason is garbage.  He's 36 and he's been struggling.  While I expect them to put up some points against our banged up secondary, in the end, I don't think they'll be able to keep up with our offense.  

Packers 31

Giants 20

Henry posted:

I don't know why but I'm not worried.  

They say when you're about to give a speech to imagine the audience naked.  

Anyway here is a picture of some fags: 

If the Packers score 31, I hope the Giants only score 30 or less.

I expect the Giants to top their high output of the year  which is 28.

Hope Rodgers continues to stay Volcanic hot.

Pistol GB posted:

Henry posted:

I don't know why but I'm not worried.  

They say when you're about to give a speech to imagine the audience naked.  

Anyway here is a picture of some fags: 

Why?

I guess because they wanted a group picture with their shirts off.

He's filling in for oldskool this week.

Packers D will hold the Giants under 20. Mark it down.