Jones also has the size to play outside allowing us to keep Cobb and Montgomery in the slot and also buys us even more time to develop Janis.
At the cost of a one year contract and the services of White?
No-brainer.
Originally Posted by Coach:
No-brainer.
So you are saying, in addition to being old and slow, that James Jones is a zombie?
Goodness I hope the Giants don't cut him.
TT wanted to add an element of excitement as Mother****er Zombie Jones chased DBs around the field.
Originally Posted by Henry:
Originally Posted by Pistol GB:
Originally Posted by phaedrus:
If the Packer's scheme allows for the same way Bolden could get so open, JJ should be able to fit that position type. Big guy. Good hands (except, as mentioned, the early history of lack of concentration dropsies). Strong.
So it's 4 WR's, 3 TE's, and a OSPR (old slow possession receiver) you have to change the scheme for to get him the ball. Why not just use the Tight End.
Because Jones will be fulfilling the TE roll in certain sets as well. Tell me, how is that scheme going to change if it's White, who wouldn't see the field as anything but a #4, or Jones, a player who has already played the #3 in this offense?
****ing hilarious. If MM thought White could play at #3 or even #4 this year he'd be on the roster. He isn't.
1. The scheme doesn't change with White on the team. I thought Phaedrus was saying we'd have to change it for Jones, since he's a different kind of player than what we have now. If that is wrong my bad.
2. Presumably he thought White could play before Jones got cut, right? He was the #5.
3. Who's going all angst here? I don't think Jones is an upgrade, and no one thinks he's the future. I lost the first argument because the man we trust made the move. So what?
It takes Myles White 30 minutes to cook a 10 minute egg,
that's what
Originally Posted by MEl-Ka-Bong:
Originally Posted by Coach:
No-brainer.
So you are saying, in addition to being old and slow, that James Jones is a zombie?
We prefer the term "walkers"
I think it's funny.
Neither are good options for replacing Jordy's production but Jones offers a bit of security blanket in being able to play with Rodgers. If they brought in Reggie Wayne I'd think TT was nuts. Jones is a known, albeit old, commodity.
Originally Posted by Boris:
My god.. I've never seen so much angst over a player with such a limited skill set.
Pistol, unless Myles White is your son, give it up.
Pistol, unless Myles White is your son, give it up.
Hey now, he has to have someone to defend. If not Myles White, then who?
He could always try defending Don Barclay. That should be good for some gits and shiggles.
Opinions are like assholes.
Blair Kiel likes licking them. (Which really makes no sense, as opinions are abstract representations of inner thoughts/beliefs and thus then cannot be licked or physically interacted with in any such manner).
I used to defend Bill Schroeder (not at the end).
Still scraping egg off my face on that one.
your dog is so ugly the vet shaved his ass and taught him to walk backwards
Originally Posted by Trophies:
Miles White is bottom of the roster. Jones steps in as the #3WR.
Really good way of looking at it. Hard to say this move is anything but an obvious upgrade to the WR depth chart. Only way it proves to be a mistake is if Myles White turns into Donald Driver 2.0.....which seems highly unlikely.
Originally Posted by Pistol GB:
Originally Posted by BrainDed:
Originally Posted by Pistol GB:
Originally Posted by phaedrus:
If the Packer's scheme allows for the same way Bolden could get so open, JJ should be able to fit that position type. Big guy. Good hands (except, as mentioned, the early history of lack of concentration dropsies). Strong.
So it's 4 WR's, 3 TE's, and a OSPR (old slow possession receiver) you have to change the scheme for to get him the ball. Why not just use the Tight End.
80 some catches last year as the only legit target and a crap qb. He can get open.
That vs a guy who couldn't crack the roster in 3 years of trying. The young WR's that actually have talent are still with us.
This a no brainer.
Well hell yeah if you think James Jones is going to turn into Anquan Bolden, it's a no-brainer alright.
Nice strawman.
If White had enough talent he would have cracked the roster in one of his 3 opportunities. Packers have proven time and time again that they will keep players regardless of draft position. White hasn't shown it.
Even if you disagree with their assessment of his talent, Jones understanding of the offense and his rapport with Rodgers give him a better chance to succeed than White. So, even if more talented, Jones gives us a better chance this year and we still have 3 young WR's on the roster and 1 on the PS to groom.
Its not not as if they mortgaged the future.
This is the type of move a lot of fans wanted TT to make at Saftey or ILB over the past 5 years or so. I've been begging for it and find it ironic that he is willing to do it for the leagues best offense but not the D.
I guess there wasn't a "Jones" available in his opinion.
Originally Posted by Rusty:
Opinions are like assholes.
Blair Kiel likes licking them. (Which really makes no sense, as opinions are abstract representations of inner thoughts/beliefs and thus then cannot be licked or physically interacted with in any such manner).
Someone has never done peyote.
Once.
It was once.
I really want to know why the Giants cut him. It seems that his production last year was consistent with what has always shown, a decent #3. I imagine the Raiders released him for salary considerations, maybe someone can shed more light on that release too. If Jones had been here last year would we be having the discussion of keeping him over White. I agree it is unlike TT to make this kind of move, but I believe Jones history and cost mad sense to TT. It also surprised me that he didn't wait until after the first game, which indicates He has confidence in the move.
Jones needs a hyper-accurate QB and Eli isn't one
McAdoo knows this
Jones + Rodgers works
Jones+ Eli doesn't
The Giants have some good young receivers and they weren't going to keep Jones as their No. 4 or 5 due to his age and inability to play on special teams.
I believe that if Abby would have been healthy White wouldn't have been on the 53 to begin with.
By this time next year I will have forgotten who Myles White is. I have already forgotten the name of the CB so many folks freaked out about last year when we cut him.
Pistol:
1. The scheme doesn't change with White on the team. I thought Phaedrus was saying we'd have to change it for Jones, since he's a different kind of player than what we have now. If that is wrong my bad.
No, not what I meant.
Me:
If the Packer's scheme allows for the same way Bolden could get so open,
I can see that my statement is ambiguous. I meant the scheme as is and wondering out loud if the scheme as is has this characteristic.
Scheme is part of it, but it really comes down to winning 1-on-1, at any position on the field. Boldin getting so open was more about his experience than the scheme, IMO.
Originally Posted by heyward:
The Giants have some good young receivers and they weren't going to keep Jones as their No. 4 or 5 due to his age and inability to play on special teams.
I agree with this opinion
Jones doesn't need to be number 3 on a full time basis. He needs to provide a solid option for Rodgers on third down And make an occasional big play. Even with his signing the opportunity still is wide open for any of the young guys to step up.
Was wondering about the reasoning behind the Raiders and Giants dumping Jones.
In checking NFL.com and other sites....
-The Raiders added Michael Crabtree and first-round draft pick Amari Cooper(4th pick in 1st round). They also have Streater returning who was very good before he got injured.
-Cutting Jones saved the Raiders nearly $3.5 million
-Jones' salary-cap number was bigger than any other receiver on the Raiders roster, big deal with a team in re-building mode.
Jones quote when asked about his 9.1 average - "“It was my first year ever playing the slot,” Jones told Sirius XM Radio. “That’s not where my strengths are at. I do whatever the coach tells me to do and, with a young quarterback in Derek Carr, they felt like having me in the slot would best suit him. I did what they wanted me to do.
“…I believe I’m stronger on the outside. That’s where I do all my damage, making tough catches in traffic. I learned a lot in the slot. I caught a lot of balls but, as you can see, I didn’t have a lot of long catches. When I was outside, I was really successful.”
As for the Giants. They are loaded at WR with Odell Beckham Jr, Victor Cruz and Reuben Randle, along with some young guys they like. He was also having a good pre-season at over 12 yards per catch.
As noted, Jones played well at Oaktown considering he was on a bad team with a rookie at QB. Seems he got caught up being a aging complimentary WR with too high of salary. Ted wouldn't pay him what the Raiders did, and still won't. Nice addition.
Btw, think Greg Jennings is envious ??
James Jones will wear his old No. 89 for the #Packers & Richard Rodgers will move to No. 82. pic.twitter.com/eP2wKSrCJV
— Green Bay Packers (@packers) September 7, 2015
Hooray!! #89 is back baby.
Yippee! Who else thinks Rodgers might have had something to say about grabbing JJ as soon as he was available?
Has anyone heard about the Giants cutting James Jones?
Originally Posted by Packdog:
Was wondering about the reasoning behind the Raiders and Giants dumping Jones.
Thanks for digging that out Packdog, greatly appreciated
Ha...
The Packers all-time leading receiver. The President of the United States. The most popular man in Wisconsin today. pic.twitter.com/i8485hZyLx
— Packerpedia (@Packerpedia) September 7, 2015
McCarthy: Great to have James (Jones) back. He looks good. Everybody is excited. He has a certain energy about him. Good fit for us.
— Green Bay Packers (@packers) September 7, 2015
McCarthy: Myles White did a heckuva job...That's the tough part of the business. He's developed here, done everything we've asked.
— Green Bay Packers (@packers) September 7, 2015
RE: Hungry's post:
I thought two of the answers were "Scott Walker"
Scott Walker leads the Packers in receiving?
