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Originally Posted by Satori:
Originally Posted by Packdog:

Was wondering about the reasoning behind the Raiders and Giants dumping Jones.

Thanks for digging that out Packdog, greatly appreciated

This.

 

 dog!

Originally Posted by heyward:

The Giants have some good young receivers and they weren't going to keep Jones as their No. 4 or 5 due to his age and inability to play on special teams.

This.  Giants aren't contending this year or next and they know it.  Having a 31 year-old #3/4 WR on the downside of his career is a waste of a roster spot for a non-contending team.  Especially considering Jones is new to the team.  At least that's how I would look at it if I was a Giants fan.  

I'm on board.  

 

I'd rather win than be right, and if it is in fact true that Rodgers was in TT's ear on this, then that is a huge factor.  Bottom line really. He's the one that has to deal with his receivers' weaknesses and he should get what he wants.

 

EDIT TO ADD: even if that makes him a chubby-chaser.

Last edited by Pistol GB

if it is in fact true that Rodgers was in TT's ear on this

 

Where you getting that from? 2008 told us all we need to know about Thompson and McCarthy and how they deal with their team.

 

 

Originally Posted by ammo:

       
Originally Posted by Boris:
My god..  I've never seen so much angst over a player with such a limited skill set.

Pistol, unless Myles White is your son, give it up.

Hey now, he has to have someone to defend. If not Myles White, then who? 


       


I give you, Carl Bradford.  Really. Pistol, he's all yours.
Originally Posted by ammo:

Why wouldn't he be in "football shape"? He was only out of camp for 1 day.  And I think Tom Coughlin runs as tough of camp as the rules allow. He's old school. 

Yeah, plus played more in preseason than Cobb, Adams, and A. and R. Rodgers. He's fine.

Last edited by ilcuqui
Originally Posted by The Ref fka Blair Kiel:

I think there is more than enough awareness of James Jones.

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You're not drinking the Kool -Aid ?

Last edited by Satori
Originally Posted by Coach:

Jones also has the size to play outside allowing us to keep Cobb and Montgomery in the slot and also buys us even more time to develop Janis.

 

At the cost of a one year contract and the services of White?

 

No-brainer.

 

 

I think you're jumping the gun a bit.  What about developing Montgomery?  He made some decent plays here and there but he did nothing particularly special in preseason and I'm certain Janis has a much better grasp on the playbook at this point.  I think Janis will likely go in to spell Jones or Adams while Monty will go in to spell Cobb.

Janis remains a work in progress and fans need to keep their expectations regarding him in check. It's never been about the playbook- it's about focus and attention to detail at the position necessary to win the trust of AR. All indications are that Montgomery is further along in that regard than Janis is.

Originally Posted by PackHammer:
Originally Posted by Coach:

Jones also has the size to play outside allowing us to keep Cobb and Montgomery in the slot and also buys us even more time to develop Janis.

 

At the cost of a one year contract and the services of White?

 

No-brainer.

 

 

I think you're jumping the gun a bit.  What about developing Montgomery?  He made some decent plays here and there but he did nothing particularly special in preseason and I'm certain Janis has a much better grasp on the playbook at this point.  I think Janis will likely go in to spell Jones or Adams while Monty will go in to spell Cobb.

All throughout camp the buzz was regarding Montgomery, not Janis. The WR coach even went on record calling out Janis for his inconsistency. Janis should have a better grasp on the playbook than a rookie but that apparently doesn't seem to be the case. By all accounts, Montgomery already passed Janis on the depth chart. Hell, last preseason game, on the 2nd play, Janis lined up on the wrong side of the field. Tolzien had to yell and wave him to get into the right formaton. Janis has the H/W/S that you love at the WR position, but the guy still isn't quite ready. He's the clear #5 now and will likely be inactive on gamedays like he was lsat season. The team obviously wants to hold onto him because of his measurables but dude needs to get a firm grasp of the playbook already

Was sorry to see him leave and I'm glad we got him back.  He had a few drops early on, but also some amazing catches.   I recall Jordy had a few drops as well.   Likewise as someone said earlier, Jordy will be 31 next year coming off an injury.  

 

Jones will be solid and A/R will know where/when to find him. 

The Packers do not play their rookies any more than they have to.

 

Jordy alluded to this in an interview which I do not have the link for... but.  Here's Randall's  stats:

 

2011Green Bay Packers152537515.025.061131150

 

It's not rocket surgery.  JJ helps us and frees up Montgomery for STs and other designed plays.  Same for Janis.

 

What's good for  is good for me! 

Last edited by Cavetoad
Originally Posted by Cavetoad:
Originally Posted by Satori:
Originally Posted by Packdog:

Was wondering about the reasoning behind the Raiders and Giants dumping Jones.

Thanks for digging that out Packdog, greatly appreciated

This.

 

 dog!

My pleasure. 

 

BTW, is it accurate to say we lost James Jones to free agency, got a compensatory pick, turned that pick into Kennard Backman, and then got Jones back at a bargain price ? 

 

Ted, you sly mother****er. 

Last edited by Packdog

Yeah, thanks for that Packdog, and great point. I think you are right. Now we have both Jones and Backman.

 

Pretty damn cool of Richard Rodgers flipping James Jones his 89. Having Jones back changes the scenery dramatically at WR. Jones has always been pretty reliable, and judging from his stats, he is even more so now. His drop rate is very low. Aaron is going to love throwing to him. This could be epic, especially with Davante as improved as he is, and with Cobby in the slot.

 

Our 4 wide is going to be sick.

Last edited by Trophies
Originally Posted by Packdog:
BTW, is it accurate to say we lost James Jones to free agency, got a compensatory pick, turned that pick into Kennard Backman, and then got Jones back at a bargain price ?

Probably more accurate to say the team let JJ go in free agency. They had a younger and cheaper version on the roster named Jarrett Boykin and didn't make any real attempt to retain him.

Rob Demovsky ESPN Staff Writer 

The contract WR James Jones signed with the Packers on Sunday is a one-year deal for the veteran's minimum of $870,000 and contained no signing bonus. He will count $585,000 against the salary cap.

Originally Posted by michiganjoe:
The contract WR James Jones signed with the Packers on Sunday is a one-year deal for the veteran's minimum of $870,000 and contained no signing bonus. He will count $585,000 against the salary cap.

In hindsight this will be looked at as one of the best bargains of Ted's tenure. Just more Team 95 karma, baby. You can cut it with a knife.

OK. I've had some time to digest and I am a bit warmer to the signing than earlier. Here's why:

 

1) Trent Dilfer was on Sirius XM Moving the Chains yesterday and said he mentored Derek Carr to check down and take the short yardage as often as possible.  Thus, if you look at the Raiders, 4 of the 5 top receivers on the team had YPC less than 10.  It wasn't just JJ.

 

2) NYG are not going to win this year, so why not develop younger receivers.   They kept 6 receivers (one is strictly special teams).  #5 is rookie.  #4 caught 36 passes last year in first year of offense, #3 caught 71 passes.  Then Odell Beckham and Victor Cruz.  In one preseason game, the defender ripped the ball from him, which didn't help his chances.

 

3)  Vet minimum signing means they don't have to play him (if he stays on the team through Saturday his contract is guaranteed.

 

4) He has rapport with Rodgers so he can teach Janis and Montgomery on outside receivers technique throughout the year (more experience than Adams).

 

Color me lukewarm.

 

 

I am all for this move.  I don't know how anyone wouldn't be.  It has been about a year and half since he played for the Packers.  He did not lose much since then.  If anyone was confident that either White, Montgomery, or Janis would step up as the number 3 they are just delusional.  The Packers now have a proven veteran as the number 3.  He is no Jordy, but he isn't White, Montgomery, or Janis either.  Go Packers!

Good take, except:
 
Originally Posted by Troy:

If anyone was confident that either White, Montgomery, or Janis would step up as the number 3 they are just delusional. 

If Jones doesn't become available, TT and MM would both be publicly disagreeing with this,  and in fact, it is exactly what they would be expecting out of one of those 3.

 

So it was close enough to debate, but in the end I do trust TT  and his decision completely.

 

Originally Posted by Pistol GB:
Good take, except:
 
Originally Posted by Troy:

If anyone was confident that either White, Montgomery, or Janis would step up as the number 3 they are just delusional. 

If Jones doesn't become available, TT and MM would both be publicly disagreeing with this,  and in fact, it is exactly what they would be expecting out of one of those 3.

 

So it was close enough to debate, but in the end I do trust TT  and his decision completely.

 

3 weeks ago Adams was the number 3 so they wouldn't have needed Montgomery, White, or Janis to do much.  Once Jordy got hurt the need for a better and experienced receiver was much more of an issue. 

 

I would have been confident with either of those 3 as the number 4, not the number 3. 

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