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Originally Posted by Music City:
There is no excusing what Rice did, but absolving her is stupid. She does have a degree of responsibility for provoking or perpetuating an argument that set the stage for his egregious act. You have to know when a situation is reaching a boiling point, and not set the situation over the edge. The way she went after him indicates that this was likely the case.

 

There's always one ****ing moron and I knew you would be there to ring the bell.  This is the equivalent of beating the **** out of a mouthy 12 year old.  

 

What's even more ****ing laughable is it's up to her to know.  The proverbial "asking for it" argument.  Ray couldn't walk away, that bitch needed to shut up.  I expect nothing less from you as I'm sure it mirrors your own life.  

Originally Posted by Atlantic City:
There is no excusing what Rice did, but absolving her is stupid. She does have a degree of responsibility for provoking or perpetuating an argument that set the stage for his egregious act. You have to know when a situation is reaching a boiling point, and not set the situation over the edge. The way she went after him indicates that this was likely the case.

I hope you forgot the sarcasm icon at the end.   Or are you this monumentally stupid.

 

 

Originally Posted by Music City:
There is no excusing what Rice did, but absolving her is stupid. She does have a degree of responsibility for provoking or perpetuating an argument that set the stage for his egregious act. You have to know when a situation is reaching a boiling point, and not set the situation over the edge. The way she went after him indicates that this was likely the case.

this one only elicits a wow from me. i can't believe you really mean this.

 

Anyway, Harbaugh schedules a presser for 8PM eastern. Conveniently in the middle of tonights games. Gutless.

You idiot- "it's not an asking for it" argument. Shove it, a-hole.

You get into an argument/altercation that is escalating, the person who commits the violent act is 100% at fault for hitting the other. They are at fault for what they did.

But what role everyone plays is relevant. She played a role that did provoke a violent act. It means that her recourse could have been to walk away, just as his recourse could have been the same.

Systematic mental and physical abuse is different than an argument- this appears to have been an argument that unfortunately escalated to violence. Ray Rice appears to have taken responsibility for his actions, and his (now) wife forgave him. That's her call, and I really hope it's the right one for both their sakes. It's easy for all you internet geniuses to say how he should be punished- end of career, jail time, etc.

The Harbaugh presser typically is on Monday afternoon. Obviously the team pushed the time back as they wait for the league to suspend Rice indefinitely before they cut him.

There is no excusing what (insert name of a rapist) did, but absolving her is stupid. She does have a degree of responsibility for provoking or perpetuating his lust by wearing those slutty clothes. You have to know not to dress that way in those situations and make it look like you're asking for it.  The way she dressed, what with that low cut top, indicates that this was likely the case.

 

 

Originally Posted by Music City:
But we aren't talking about rake, are we asshole...

 

 

Your honor...my client was clearly perturbed....his partner was taunting him by flying around all over the place with her thousands of friends...

Last edited by Rusty
Originally Posted by Iowacheese:
Originally Posted by Atlantic City:
There is no excusing what Rice did, but absolving her is stupid. She does have a degree of responsibility for provoking or perpetuating an argument that set the stage for his egregious act. You have to know when a situation is reaching a boiling point, and not set the situation over the edge. The way she went after him indicates that this was likely the case.

I hope you forgot the sarcasm icon at the end.   Or are you this monumentally stupid.

 

 

 

That's his new name....Atlantic City. Perfect.

 

I'm going with "Monumentally Stupid"

Originally Posted by Music City:
"it's not an asking for it"  
 
 
She has a degree of responsibility for the argument, sure, but not for his actions. He owns that 100%.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Originally Posted by Atlantic City:
There is no excusing what Rice did, but absolving her is stupid. She does have a degree of responsibility for provoking or perpetuating an argument that set the stage for his egregious act. You have to know when a situation is reaching a boiling point, and not set the situation over the edge. The way she went after him indicates that this was likely the case.

Boris, you should be proud that Stephen A. Smith posts on this board.

Last edited by ilcuqui
Originally Posted by Music City:
You idiot- "it's not an asking for it" argument. Shove it, a-hole.

You get into an argument/altercation that is escalating, the person who commits the violent act is 100% at fault for hitting the other. They are at fault for what they did.

But what role everyone plays is relevant. She played a role that did provoke a violent act. It means that her recourse could have been to walk away, just as his recourse could have been the same.

Systematic mental and physical abuse is different than an argument- this appears to have been an argument that unfortunately escalated to violence. Ray Rice appears to have taken responsibility for his actions, and his (now) wife forgave him. That's her call, and I really hope it's the right one for both their sakes. It's easy for all you internet geniuses to say how he should be punished- end of career, jail time, etc.

Just because you say you aren't making a "she's asking for it" argument doesn't mean that you are in fact not doing that.  

 

You are EXACTLY doing that.  You are classic.  "of course Rice is to blame, BUT she played a role". 

 

No.  She didn't play a role.  She got punched in the face by a world class athlete that outweighs her by what 120 pounds?  

 

You really are a ****heel.  

Originally Posted by Music City:
She played a role that did provoke a violent act.

And what do believe is suitable provocation for him to bash her face in? What could she possibly have done to justify a professional athlete getting violent? Spit on him? Talked about his momma? Scratched him? Slapped him? She wasn't threatening him with a gun or a knife that he had to defend himself. Would even one of her punches come close to the violence he faces every Sunday that he couldn't just take it without reacting? No. 

I never thought the post about the Boston cops eating donuts or something by some poster after the marathon bombing could ever be beat on this forum but by golly, it has been by leaps and bounds.

Originally Posted by Boris:

       

I need to take a shower....in battery acid. I just "liked" a chickenboy post


       
That's not very shocking, Henry once like one of my posts one time
Originally Posted by Grave Digger:

       
Originally Posted by Music City:
She played a role that did provoke a violent act.

And what do believe is suitable provocation for him to bash her face in? What could she possibly have done to justify a professional athlete getting violent? Spit on him? Talked about his momma? Scratched him? Slapped him? She wasn't threatening him with a gun or a knife that he had to defend himself. Would even one of her punches come close to the violence he faces every Sunday that he couldn't just take it without reacting? No. 


       

Nothing justifies it. It's not what I'm saying. But it looked to me like two angry people, who by the way profess to love each other, simply made a mistake. I see a lot of hate spewed at Rice, where the judges and juries of the world think he's the same as some alcoholic monster who abuses his kids and wife. I don't see it that way. It was an argument. He's wrong and should bear the responsibility of his action. But what appears to be her provocation deserves discussion as well.

I prefer to think that this young lady is aware of all of this, and said that she will forgive based on the idea that he cannot repeat this mistake. She should be wary of future arguments if he's probe to violence and should be ready to leave him on a moments notice. But the guy made a mistake in the heat of an argument. She's a lot more qualified to make that call than any of us.

He cold-cocked her with one punch. She was out cold for minutes. He'd dick around with her head or feet once in a while trying to get her out of the elevator door. Acted like she was a sack of potatoes Frickin CLASSIC abuser fer Krist's sake. DOH

Originally Posted by Atlantic City:
 
I prefer to think that this young lady is aware of all of this, and said that she will forgive based on the idea that he cannot repeat this mistake. She should be wary of future arguments if he's probe to violence and should be ready to leave him on a moments notice. But the guy made a mistake in the heat of an argument. She's a lot more qualified to make that call than any of us.

 

 

I'm 100% certain this is the 1 & only time he has hit her. 100% certain of that. Yes

 

If I was Mike on Breaking Bad right now, this is where I use a FULL measure

Originally Posted by Atlantic City:
 Nothing justifies it.
But what appears to be her provocation deserves discussion as well. 
She should be wary of future arguments if he's probe to violence and should be ready to leave him on a moments notice. 

Nothing justifies it.  But, her role should be talked about!  

 

Why?  If her role needs to be talked about, the only reason her role should be talked about is that she has no role in getting knocked out by a world class athlete during a verbal argument.

 

And, unless it's anything beyond that you are be default partly justifying his actions - which you've already done.  So, we know where you stand.

 

And then to top it off - it's on HER to be wary about provoking him.  Jesus ****ing Christ dude.  

 

Keep digging, eventually you'll end up on the other side.  

 

And again, as the father of a daughter I say - **** YOU.  

Last edited by Timpranillo
Originally Posted by YooperPackfan:
Originally Posted by Boris:   

I need to take a shower....in battery acid. I just "liked" a chickenboy post

That's not very shocking, Henry once like one of my posts one time

I liked a Shoeless post the other day and I don't recommend an acid shower. It hurts.

Originally Posted by Atlantic City:
 where the judges and juries of the world think he's the same as some alcoholic monster who abuses his kids and wife.

Isn't he abusing his wife? Seems like pretty cut and dried physical abuse really.  And you're saying that because he may be prone to violence so she should just leave him alone? So again it's the victims fault because she should know better? You're saying Rice shouldn't have done it, but she should have known that he would do it and should have been smart enough not to set him off? 

Last edited by Grave Digger
Originally Posted by Henry:

 We read stories like this and often minimize it.  When we see the actual violence of those situations we are disgusted.  Mental torture/abuse as well as physical are both heinous.  Destroying a person on a level most of us as men are lucky to never fully understand.  

 

Think of the waking fear of every day existence.  Just pure fear even when you aren't in danger.  

 

I'm a white man, I fear nothing.  I don't worry about getting beat, mugged, raped, even tongue lashed.  Abuse victims are robbed of the ability just to feel okay.  The physical heals, the mental is the true torture.   

This is an aside and unrelated to what Rice did, how heinous it is.

 

I think being emotionally/mentally abused can hurt white (and other ethnicity) males, even from women.

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