The day Goodell is sent packing will be a great day!! I've never liked that POS and I sense that a lot of the people here feel the same way
Originally Posted by Henry:
Originally Posted by Timmy!:
I strongly disagree with athletes, among others, being role models for children, boys or girls. IMHO, it's part of the problems that plague society today. It's poor parenting, and that leads to the second phrase I bolded.
Unacceptable behavior is learned, if not taught, at home. Until that changes, nothing else will.
Unacceptable behavior is learned, if not taught, at home. Until that changes, nothing else will.
And what part of shining a spot light on that would be negative?
You are right Timmy but if the guy that's supposed to be teaching you this stuff is beating the piss out of you instead how is that lesson passed on? The point is using the example to show men and women there is a different way. The celebrity is the conveyance of a spot light for a issue that joe blow can't attract.
I wasn't sure where your question was aimed when I first read it. However, your next paragraph was beautifully written and well-stated. It makes it damned hard to argue against it at all, but I still don't think it's healthy to have athletes/celebrities/etc as role models. There's so many better ways.
There's not a charity/foundation that will ever change that crap, too, no matter how much money is thrown at it. However, if these guys want to walk the walk after they have talked, I'd be all for that. It's not a problem-solver, but it is a start.
US Senator calling for Goody's resignation. Hopefully, more will follow.
http://thehill.com/blogs/in-th...d-consider-resigning
How do you think the whole cheatriots thing would have panned out if the public saw the tapes before ol Roger had them destroyed? The man seems to have no honor and questionable integrity.
Originally Posted by PackerRuss:
US Senator calling for Goody's resignation. Hopefully, more will follow.
http://thehill.com/blogs/in-th...d-consider-resigning
There is more than enough people chiming in on this subject, we don't need the brain dead to get involded. As far as Goodall is concern, its a NFL matter and that's where it should stay.
Sen. Heitkamp should seriously consider not being a grandstanding blankety-blank.
If elected officials get any notions that their words are instrumental in getting a business leader to quit, they're going to try to use that power in more and more ways.
If elected officials get any notions that their words are instrumental in getting a business leader to quit, they're going to try to use that power in more and more ways.
Originally Posted by bandit:
Originally Posted by PackerRuss:
US Senator calling for Goody's resignation. Hopefully, more will follow.
http://thehill.com/blogs/in-th...d-consider-resigning
There is more than enough people chiming in on this subject, we don't need the brain dead to get involded. As far as Goodall is concern, its a NFL matter and that's where it should stay.
I would tend to agree with your brain dead comment, but if Goodell is going to get canned over this, it's going to come from outside sources like the government, organizations, etc.
I read an article, that stated that there are 3 outcomes of the NFL "not seeing the tape".
1) NFL is straight up lying about not seeing the tape.
2) NFL investigators didn't think or know to ask other entities to see the tape.
3) NFL knew about the tape, and DIDN'T want to see it, so they wouldn't have to punish a star, and they could claim plausible deniability.
Either way, 1 and 3 are as bad as it gets, and if it turns out to be 2, then the investigators should be fired, and that raises the idea of pure negligence in investigations.
quote:I would tend to agree with your brain dead comment, but if Goodell is going to get canned over this, it's going to come from outside sources like the government, organizations, etc.
Give government the influence to get Goodell fired, and they're immediately going to misuse that influence in all sorts of awful ways. It's what governments do.
Goodell's father was a U.S. Senator and IIRC he was the first Republican Senator to call for Nixon's resignation in the early 1970s.
Life is interesting sometimes.
EDIT: Oops. Did some checking and relearned that Goodell senior lost his re-election bid in 1970 in large measure because he opposed Nixon over Vietnam and Nixon withheld support during the primary, which Goodell then lost to Jim Buckley (William F. Buckley's brother). Senator Jim Buckley was the first GOP Senator to call for Nixon to resign. Oh well, memory is the second thing to go with age...
Today....Obama said "If I had a son he would look like Ray"
Real men don't punch women; they drone-strike women and children.
Buncha lilly white saints in here that have it all figured out.
Consider this: 1 in 4 women are victims of Domestic Abuse in their lifetime at some point. Only 25% of those assaults are reported to the police.
My point? There is an extremely high likelihood that the very same posters in this thread calling for heads to roll and condemning Ray-Ray for jacking his wife have done something similar.
Originally Posted by Fedya:
Real men don't punch women; they drone-strike women and children.
If they wear turbins, it's all good in the hood.
Have you stopped beating your wife, Pakrz?quote:My point? There is an extremely high likelihood that the very same posters in this thread calling for heads to roll and condemning Ray-Ray for jacking his wife have done something similar.
Originally Posted by Pakrz:
Buncha lilly white saints in here that have it all figured out.
Consider this: 1 in 4 women are victims of Domestic Abuse in their lifetime at some point. Only 25% of those assaults are reported to the police.
My point? There is an extremely high likelihood that the very same posters in this thread calling for heads to roll and condemning Ray-Ray for jacking his wife have done something similar.
I'm trying to figure out this logic. You mean commenting in this specific thread or general board population? Because we already know about some people.
My logic is there's at least a few hypocrites in this thread.
EDIT: Not ALL mind you... but the odds are clearly in favor of a few.
Eat a dick Fedumdum.
Originally Posted by PackOly:
How do you think the whole cheatriots thing would have panned out if the public saw the tapes before ol Roger had them destroyed? The man seems to have no honor and questionable integrity.
I really started to dislike him when he seemed so gung ho on an 18 game regular season. I definitely remember Cris Carter saying there was no way around the fact that adding two games would be detrimental to the health of the players.
I don't think Goodell gave a crap.
Now with this sad event, it sure appears Goodell is strong on image and profit and weak on integrity.
Originally Posted by Pakrz:
My logic is there's at least a few hypocrites in this thread.
It's a pretty strong thing to say.
Yeah, 25% is high and the more posters we got, the more it is likely. But, a couple things. One is how many men are multiple women offenders? Two, what if the demographic of men most likely to abuse women is unlike the demographics of x4 posters?
I am not here to say you are wrong, just that you are not necessarily right and given that...again, pretty strong thing to say.
Possibly, but it is also possible that the only posters on here are the ones who haven't bitch slapped their significant others.
Originally Posted by Pakrz:
My logic is there's at least a few hypocrites in this thread.
Got it.
I would guess most have BEEN bitch slapped by their SO.
Originally Posted by Pakrz:
My logic is there's at least a few hypocrites in this thread.
EDIT: Not ALL mind you... but the odds are clearly in favor of a few.
Eat a dick Fedumdum.
Well, apart from the possibility of a libel suit.
Originally Posted by Pikes Peak:
I would guess most have BEEN bitch slapped by their SO.
(That's a joke, in case some of the sensitive posters didn't get it.)
Originally Posted by Henry:
Originally Posted by Pakrz:
Buncha lilly white saints in here that have it all figured out.
Consider this: 1 in 4 women are victims of Domestic Abuse in their lifetime at some point. Only 25% of those assaults are reported to the police.
My point? There is an extremely high likelihood that the very same posters in this thread calling for heads to roll and condemning Ray-Ray for jacking his wife have done something similar.
I'm trying to figure out this logic. You mean commenting in this specific thread or general board population? Because we already know about some people.
Just in general. I have nobody in mind... just going off reported information. Everybody always wants to condemn others for doing stupid **** and ignore their own backyard in the process. I am in no way, shape or form giving Ray-Ray a pass. He made his own bed.
Originally Posted by JJSD:
And here I thought from reading posts on this site that Roger and the NFL saw the video.....who to believe?
Originally Posted by Fedya:
Originally Posted by Pakrz:
My logic is there's at least a few hypocrites in this thread.
EDIT: Not ALL mind you... but the odds are clearly in favor of a few.
Eat a dick Fedumdum.
Well, apart from the possibility of a libel suit.
Given statistical data, what would make you think that some of the people on this board are immune to the odds?
Originally Posted by Fedya:
Originally Posted by Pakrz:
My logic is there's at least a few hypocrites in this thread.
EDIT: Not ALL mind you... but the odds are clearly in favor of a few.
Eat a dick Fedumdum.
Well, apart from the possibility of a libel suit.
Insinuate all you want. I'm not immune to the odds either.
Your odds are actually about double those of us sheep. Statistically speaking, of course.
Baaaa
Granted TMZ came up with the video, but c'mon people, TMZ aint nothing but a newer version of the National Enquirer. If you start citing their "news" as something resembling fact, well there's a 3-headed wolf boy working with Elvis at a 7/11 in Des Moines y'all oughta check out.
@ Bong: True again. Interesting how there's so much angst over data, don't ya think?
Yo Bonger: What does the data say about steroid abusers and domestic violence?
Who's been right all through this process? Was it the NFL? Peter King? Other 'trusted' news sources?
Sometimes the rags get it right. Given the reaction to the video from the league, this appears to be one of those times.
Besides, I thought everyone in Des Moines looked like the three-headed wolf boy. Hardly news.
Originally Posted by Iowacheese:
Originally Posted by section19:
Your response to her words seems very condescending. If you were a man I'd label it sexist.
Your response to Packerboi IS very condescending. And I am quite sure he is more of a man than you will ever dream to be.
Such hostility toward a total stranger. You try to insult me by calling me less of a man. You mean more like a woman? Or was that supposed to be a compliment?
I don't see why gender is an issue here but it seems to be for a lot of people. It shouldn't be. Assault is assault.
Are there a lot of fans here of hate crime laws too?
Thought packerboi was a woman. Mixed him up with someone else, I guess.
Originally Posted by Fedya:
Real men don't punch women; they drone-strike women and children.
+1
If Parkz is a lawyer his odds are probably higher than the rest of us. Statistically speaking, Lawyers are more prone to depression and substance abuse. Those probably raise the odds for domestic violence.
Creep.
Pakrz a lawyer.... Perfect
Originally Posted by MN SnowBong:
Your odds are actually about double those of us sheep. Statistically speaking, of course.
Baaaa
Pakrz, if there was ever an excuse to go upside the head of another dude, this is it.
Originally Posted by BrainDed:
If Parkz is a lawyer his odds are probably higher than the rest of us. Statistically speaking, Lawyers are more prone to depression and substance abuse. Those probably raise the odds for domestic violence.
Creep.
and I are surprised we've not paid closer attention to how stupid you are.