section19:
Your response to her words seems very condescending. If you were a man I'd label it sexist. Like the poor dear can't think for herself.
Oh, I think this takes "social correctness" to silly extremes. My sense of this is that it is totally fine to identify someone as being quite off with her thinking and at the same time respecting her right to think however she does.
section19:
Your response to her words seems very condescending. If you were a man I'd label it sexist. Like the poor dear can't think for herself.
Oh, I think this takes "social correctness" to silly extremes. My sense of this is that it is totally fine to identify someone as being quite off with her thinking and at the same time respecting her right to think however she does.
I saw nothing in packerboi's post indicating any respect for Janay's opinions or feelings. "... beyond delusional" "needs serious help" it said.
She's delusional for blaming anyone and everyone other than Ray. He hit her. The media or the NFL didn't make him do it.
As for your 2nd devils advocate comment. To take a phrase from McCarthy, "I don't work in hypotheticals". Rice isn't gay and he didn't hit another man. He knocked out a woman. And unless she was coming at him with a deadly weapon (gun, knife, machete, bazooka) there is no excusing his actions.
Your response to her words seems very condescending. If you were a man I'd label it sexist. Like the poor dear can't think for herself. Good thing you and everyone else knows what's really best for her. She's a grown ass woman who can make her own choices. Right or very wrong they are hers alone. Is it really anyone else's nosy-ass business?
Well, nice job on reading into something and making silly assumptions I never said. Poor dear? Really? I am not here to belittle her or to make some sexist statement. If that's what you think, you know nothing about me. I hope she gets the help she needs. Because what's also delusional is to think this is the 1st time he hit her and it'll also be the last.
I work with @MenStopViolence. I too believe in RARE cases...abusive behavior can change...but it's a journey and doesn't start with LIES.
Janay had millions of reasons to marry Ray-Ray.
Your response to her words seems very condescending. If you were a man I'd label it sexist. Like the poor dear can't think for herself. Good thing you and everyone else knows what's really best for her. She's a grown ass woman who can make her own choices. Right or very wrong they are hers alone. Is it really anyone else's nosy-ass business?
Packerboi must be in drag again. Wait, that's me.
It's clear there is definitely a gross lack of knowledge of what happens to a person when they are abused. They are mental/physical prisoners and only some are able to break free.
Due process resulted in counseling and 2 games for Ray until TMZ got their hands on a video.
No it didn't. Roger Goodell and a ****ed up legal system did that. Let's hang guilty people not ACCUSED people.
As for your 2nd devils advocate comment. To take a phrase from McCarthy, "I don't work in hypotheticals". Rice isn't gay and he didn't hit another man. He knocked out a woman. And unless she was coming at him with a deadly weapon (gun, knife, machete, bazooka) there is no excusing his actions.
I would add a devil's advocate to your devil's advocate. Gay or straight, the element of having the one that's supposed to love you, care about you act as the abuser is devastating. Of course he/she were drawn together because they believe they deserve this type of behavior.
Your response to her words seems very condescending. If you were a man I'd label it sexist.
Your response to Packerboi IS very condescending. And I am quite sure he is more of a man than you will ever dream to be.
I'd wager this is the first time Rice punched her. There is no way a person who has gotten punched in the face by their abuser multiple times acts the way she did in the elevator.
I'm not saying she had it coming so the white knights can stand down. I am saying if this was a known behavior of his, she doesn't lung toward him.
She needs serious help and is beyond delusional. No dear. This is not the evil media that caused this. Nor was it you "asking" for it. Place the responsibility where it needs to go.
Your response to her words seems very condescending. If you were a man I'd label it sexist. Like the poor dear can't think for herself. Good thing you and everyone else knows what's really best for her. She's a grown ass woman who can make her own choices. Right or very wrong they are hers alone. Is it really anyone else's nosy-ass business?
Call it a crazy, SEXIST assumption, but getting knocked the **** out by the man she married may not be the best thing for her. She is an abused woman. Her thinking may be slightly flawed.
Devil's Advocate here again. Just wondering if an openly gay Ray Rice had done the exact same thing to his much smaller boyfriend/husband would the outrage be the same?
From the public, no. From me? I ended a friendship for that reason. Violence is disgusting...period.
I'd wager this is the first time Rice punched her. There is no way a person who has gotten punched in the face by their abuser multiple times acts the way she did in the elevator.
I'm not saying she had it coming so the white knights can stand down. I am saying if this was a known behavior of his, she doesn't lung toward him.
Says our resident abuse specialist. Dude, who are you kidding. I just hope you get help and never touch another woman again.
I'd wager this is the first time Rice punched her.
I'll take that bet.
I'd wager this is the first time Rice punched her. There is no way a person who has gotten punched in the face by their abuser multiple times acts the way she did in the elevator.
I'm not saying she had it coming so the white knights can stand down. I am saying if this was a known behavior of his, she doesn't lung toward him.
Says our resident abuse specialist. Dude, who are you kidding. I just hope you get help and never touch another woman again.
I'd touch you, friend.
I'd wager this is the first time Rice punched her. There is no way a person who has gotten punched in the face by their abuser multiple times acts the way she did in the elevator.
I'm not saying she had it coming so the white knights can stand down. I am saying if this was a known behavior of his, she doesn't lung toward him.
You are woefully misinformed on the subject. The point is the end result is almost always the woman getting beat and then claiming it was her fault. The abuser takes "responsibility" with statements like "why do you make me do that to you"or "I could've killed you". How magnanimous.
Looking for reasons to justify raw violence in a specific situation like this is as idiotic as the situation itself.
Says our resident abuse specialist. Dude, who are you kidding. I just hope you get help and never touch another woman again.
I'd touch you, friend.
Room for one more?
"You are woefully misinformed on the subject. The point is the end result is almost always the woman getting beat and then claiming it was her fault. The abuser takes "responsibility" with statements like "why do you make me do that to you"or "I could've killed you". How magnanimous.
Looking for reasons to justify raw violence in a specific situation like this is as idiotic as the situation itself.
Im not arguing against any of that. I'm not justifying anything. All I was saying is that I believe this is the first time he punched her like that.
I'd wager this is the first time Rice punched her. There is no way a person who has gotten punched in the face by their abuser multiple times acts the way she did in the elevator.
I'm not saying she had it coming so the white knights can stand down. I am saying if this was a known behavior of his, she doesn't lung toward him.
Says our resident abuse specialist. Dude, who are you kidding. I just hope you get help and never touch another woman again.
I'd touch you, friend.
Careful. Once you go black...
"You are woefully misinformed on the subject. The point is the end result is almost always the woman getting beat and then claiming it was her fault. The abuser takes "responsibility" with statements like "why do you make me do that to you"or "I could've killed you". How magnanimous.
Looking for reasons to justify raw violence in a specific situation like this is as idiotic as the situation itself.
Im not arguing against any of that. I'm not justifying anything. All I was saying is that I believe this is the first time he punched her like that.
And all I'm saying is with 100% surety that you are incorrect in that assumption. Not even trying to be a dick about.
All I was saying is that I believe this is the first time he punched her like that.
Oh I get it, it's the first time he decked her with a left cross. The right hook, double elbow blast, and knee to her lady parts were from the times she sassed him or was late with his dinner, don't count.
I'm assuming all that from a grainy surveillance video because it appears she lunged at him.
"because it appears she lunged at him."
LOL....
Good read about abuse. Why I stated
well, if something positive can come out of this, this would be it for me.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_...ay-rice-developments
In light of how badly the Ray Rice situation was handled, Roger Goodell should be relieved of his duties.
"because it appears she lunged at him."
LOL....
Oh, you were in the elevator with them?
Yeah, seems about right for you, full-time grainy surveillance video whisperer and part-time button pusher. I take it Abuse Expert is just a hobby then huh?
well, if something positive can come out of this, this would be it for me.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_...ay-rice-developments
In light of how badly the Ray Rice situation was handled, Roger Goodell should be relieved of his duties.
section19:
Your response to her words seems very condescending. If you were a man I'd label it sexist. Like the poor dear can't think for herself.
Oh, I think this takes "social correctness" to silly extremes. My sense of this is that it is totally fine to identify someone as being quite off with her thinking and at the same time respecting her right to think however she does.
I saw nothing in packerboi's post indicating any respect for Janay's opinions or feelings. "... beyond delusional" "needs serious help" it said.
Well, what do you think of the following?
One, the right to have one's own thoughts and feelings and two, what one THINKS of another's thoughts and feelings are two entirely different things, being mutually exclusive in fact.
With the above in mind, I think it is perfectly fine to believe another person's thoughts and feelings are a bunch of BS. I do not think it is perfectly fine to believe a person lacks the right to her own thoughts and feelings.
packerboi, I believe, 100% reserves for her the right to her thoughts and feelings -and- thinks some of them are BS.
I think you are mixing up the two concepts, thereby leading you to erroneous thinking and unwarranted criticism.
Good read about abuse. Why I stated
Many of the geniuses here should read this. Not that I expect they actually can comprehend the psychology of abuse and why "people don't just leave", but maybe this helps start the path to learning.
well, if something positive can come out of this, this would be it for me.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_...ay-rice-developments
In light of how badly the Ray Rice situation was handled, Roger Goodell should be relieved of his duties.
You know what other good can come out of this? Ray Rice could make himself a focal point of the abuse he surely suffered at some point in his life and do everything he can to heal himself and become a role model for all those boys who deal with the rage and humiliation of their youth eventually carrying on the cycle of abuse.
This whole thread is almost entirely focused on Janay, just like every other rape/abuse case. How about this? Start teaching/correcting young men to not ****ing rape and beat people? Kooky.
I think it would be even better if Ray and his wife put some of that $24 million to use and started some type of charity organization together to help others (men and women) deal with domestic violence.
Hell, go on ****ing Oprah and go through their individual and group counseling together. Dissect a ****ty, abusive relationship.
"because it appears she lunged at him."
LOL....
Oh, you were in the elevator with them?
Yeah, seems about right for you, full-time grainy surveillance video whisperer and part-time button pusher. I take it Abuse Expert is just a hobby then huh?
You mean the same grainy surveillance video that clearly shows Rice connecting the left hook? Yes, that is the surveillance video that shows her lunging toward him without fear. I found that surprising and an unlikely behavior for someone who has been punched before.. To escalate aggression toward the perp of past assaults is strange to me. I would think they would be more meager in that situation if they got left crossed previously.
I'm sure he has abused women before, maybe punched other women, maybe did the Chris Rock shake a hoe to this woman. What I'm saying about this instance, is that's unexpected behavior for someone who has been assaulted in that manner previously.
You know what other good can come out of this? Ray Rice could make himself a focal point of the abuse he surely suffered at some point in his life and do everything he can to heal himself and become a role model for all those boys who deal with the rage and humiliation of their youth eventually carrying on the cycle of abuse.
This whole thread is almost entirely focused on Janay, just like every other rape/abuse case. How about this? Start teaching/correcting young men to not rape and beat people? Kooky.
I strongly disagree with athletes, among others, being role models for children, boys or girls. IMHO, it's part of the problems that plague society today. It's poor parenting, and that leads to the second phrase I bolded.
Unacceptable behavior is learned, if not taught, at home. Until that changes, nothing else will.
"This whole thread is almost entirely focused on Janay, just like every other rape/abuse case. How about this? Start teaching/correcting young men to not ****ing rape and beat people? Kooky."
Well said. That's not how the justice system in 'Merica works and probably never will. For profit prisons is big money, ya know.
You know what other good can come out of this? Ray Rice could make himself a focal point of the abuse he surely suffered at some point in his life and do everything he can to heal himself and become a role model for all those boys who deal with the rage and humiliation of their youth eventually carrying on the cycle of abuse.
This whole thread is almost entirely focused on Janay, just like every other rape/abuse case. How about this? Start teaching/correcting young men to not rape and beat people? Kooky.
I strongly disagree with athletes, among others, being role models for children, boys or girls. IMHO, it's part of the problems that plague society today. It's poor parenting, and that leads to the second phrase I bolded.
Unacceptable behavior is learned, if not taught, at home. Until that changes, nothing else will.
And what part of shining a spot light on that would be negative?
You are right Timmy but if the guy that's supposed to be teaching you this stuff is beating the piss out of you instead how is that lesson passed on? The point is using the example to show men and women there is a different way. The celebrity is the conveyance of a spot light for a issue that joe blow can't attract.
"because it appears she lunged at him."
LOL....
Oh, you were in the elevator with them?
Yeah, seems about right for you, full-time grainy surveillance video whisperer and part-time button pusher. I take it Abuse Expert is just a hobby then huh?
You mean the same grainy surveillance video that clearly shows Rice connecting the left hook? Yes, that is the surveillance video that shows her lunging toward him without fear.
Take a better look at the video. The very beginning. Ray standing by the pole outside the elevator. He says something to her & she taps him with her hand, not hard but more like "stop it."
Then in the elevator he is all up in her grill on the right side. He's saying something to her there. She gets pissed as Ray hits her. Not hard but he still provoked her. Ray steps back, then she lunges at him & he drops her with the left uppercut. Yes it's more likely the bar around the elevator wall (where she hit her head) is what really knocked her out but that's due to the punch she took.
All of this is on Ray. ALL OF IT! The dude is a POS & deserves to be prosecuted & put in jail. Meanwhile Janay doesn't want to see her meal ticket put away & wants all of the media & us on social networking to "leave them alone". Not gonna happen. It's 2014 now not 1950.
I'm sure they were both drunk & maybe this is how they want to live their lives & they enjoy beating on each other. It is a privilege to be a member of the NFL & you cannot act that way. Ray....Your NFL privileges have just been revoked.
Goodell might be next too!
