@H5 posted:Youth. Inexperienced.
Read and react. Film study, it's correctable.
Yes, it's correctable by SPEEDING UP THE QB's FUCKING CLOCK!
I want the defense to get some rest for a fucking change instead of having to play 79 fucking plays in a game. The way to do that is PRESSURE THE FUCKING QB, not rush 3 and drop 8 on key 3rd downs.
At a bare minimum rush 4. You have the talent on this defense to start forcing some 3 & outs. Let's improve!!
@Pakrz posted:It's more than speed. Kelce is a smart veteran/HOFer... he knows how to find soft spots in coverage.
I don't watch a lot of football outside of GB, but I did notice Kelce sitting on the bench by himself a few times looking completely disinterested in the game. To me, he just looked like he didn't give a fuck. Not sure if that is normal or not for him.
I’m sure he and Taylor had reservations at Applebees for after the game.
I’ll ask Ryan Longwell.
@Boris posted:Yes, it's correctable by SPEEDING UP THE QB's FUCKING CLOCK!
I want the defense to get some rest for a fucking change instead of having to play 79 fucking plays in a game. The way to do that is PRESSURE THE FUCKING QB, not rush 3 and drop 8 on key 3rd downs.
At a bare minimum rush 4. You have the talent on this defense to start forcing some 3 & outs. Let's improve!!
Here's what I don't get Boris.
Doing what you suggest was MONEY in the Detroit game. Sure, some would say Goff is particularly vulnerable to pressure, but I can think of few NFL QBs that AREN'T!
So, does Barry learn his lesson against Mahomes on third and impossible? Hell no.
Wish our DC was like most of the current NFL DCs I see (Chiefs, Niners) and following your plan.
On the third and 18 it was just stupid to rush 3. 1) The Chiefs LT had gone out of the game and by only rushing 3 they could double whoever lined up vs him. 2) You know that Mahones is especially dangerous when "off schedule". Rushing 3 allowed him to get out the pocket more easily. 3) If rushing 3 put a spy on Mahones in the middle of the field so the guys in coverage know to not come off their spots.
Exactly. What Barry did on that play qualifies as malpractice. Pathetic.
@YATittle posted:Here's what I don't get Boris.
Wish our DC was like most of the current NFL DCs I see (Chiefs, Niners) and following your plan.
Chiefs, Niners, Eagles, Cowboys, Texans, Steelers, Lions, Browns, Saints, Dolphins, Bills, Jets...hell even the fucking Raiders & Falcons.
Guess what....Giants too & they're going to come after Love on MNF.
@FLPACKER posted:On the third and 18 it was just stupid to rush 3. 1) The Chiefs LT had gone out of the game and by only rushing 3 they could double whoever lined up vs him. 2) You know that Mahones is especially dangerous when "off schedule". Rushing 3 allowed him to get out the pocket more easily. 3) If rushing 3 put a spy on Mahones in the middle of the field so the guys in coverage know to not come off their spots.
Yeah, I get that's what the Bengals did two years ago to get to the Super Bowl, but this is a very different defense. Let's face it, the defensive backs are not very good, but the pass rush has been absolute money the last two games and that makes pedestrian d-backs look a whole lot better when they don't have to cover as long.
Yes, Morris had been settling in at LT, but keep the pressure on him.
That was quite the game plan with 1:50 left and 2 time outs. Joe Barry can suck a bag of dicks.
He seriously needs to be fired.
Lets talk about the last couple mins of the Giants game.
5:30 left on the clock and the Giants are obviously going to try and run out the clock. Barry goes with 2 DL and the Giants rip off runs of 6, 17, and 34 yards. In a situation where you know your opponent is going to run, we get gashed with only 2 DL on the field. Game was over if we didn’t get the huge break with unforced fumble.
Fast forward to 1:30 left on the clock and leading by 1. All they need is a field goal. Barry responds by playing prevent D and the Giants move to mid field in 4 plays and only 40 seconds run off. Now they just need 20 yards to get into range. Too fucking easy.
He’s a complete embarrassment and by association, MLF is an embarrassment. This dude lost the game twice tonight
Also of note, we recorded zero sacks against the most sacked team in football.
@BrainDed posted:Lets talk about the last couple mins of the Giants game.
5:30 left on the clock and the Giants are obviously going to try and run out the clock. Barry goes with 2 DL and the Giants rip off runs of 6, 17, and 34 yards. In a situation where you know your opponent is going to run, we get gashed with only 2 DL on the field. Game was over if we didn’t get the huge break with unforced fumble.
Fast forward to 1:30 left on the clock and leading by 1. All they need is a field goal. Barry responds by playing prevent D and the Giants move to mid field in 4 plays and only 40 seconds run off. Now they just need 20 yards to get into range. Too fucking easy.
He’s a complete embarrassment and by association, MLF is an embarrassment. This dude lost the game twice tonight
Also of note, we recorded zero sacks against the most sacked team in football.
Well, MLF says our OLB’s are DE’s so we good. There is clearly a lack of IQ in the leadership of this team.
I get that this is a young team. So it seems important to rely on your coaches, especially in critical management situations. Our handling of the clock at the end of both halves was horrendous, but man WTH were we doing rushing plays before the 2 minute warning. Gave tons of time to the Giants that they should not have had. Guess MLF had such great confidence in Barry to shut them down. I am so effin pissed right now...
This game vs. the Giants should just about lock him up for a minimum 10 year extension.
Outstanding work Mr. Bury 🤭
I’m not being hyperbolic when I say that Barry could have found up a way to fuck up the ‘85 Bears defense.
The Packers defensive unit has a couple injuries, but they lost tonight because Joe Barry is a complete moron. You play a prevent when you want to eliminate the possibility of being beaten deep, not when your opponent needs quick yardage and a kick to win it.
Pop Warner coaches wouldn’t have called that defense, yet the DC of an NFL team doesn’t know any better. That is gross incompetence on a scale I can’t wrap my head around.
This right here. This mindset is the problem. You can't build a defense with this way of thinking. https://t.co/FwZSYS26nf
— Wendell Ferreira (@wendellfp) December 12, 2023
Didn't they show a stat during the game that the Giants were averaging barely 7 PPG at home, or did I imagine that. If true, you have to respect that big play ability. Play prevent. They're a juggernaut. Or maybe jugger not.
I wouldn’t mind a bend/don’t break defense so much. Except that they always break. They’re forgetting the second part.
Mark Tauscher brought up a decent point this morning. For as much angst as Dingle Barry gets, the buck ultimately stops with MLF. He's the one who hired him knowing full well what that sad ass resume looked like. And he's the one who mystifyingly brought him back in '23 somehow thinking things would change with Barry.
Joe is being Joe. He was a lousy DC in DET and in WASH and nothing has fuckin' changed.
It's like us bitching that AJ Dillon doesn't run like Aaron Jones. Dillon will never be like Jones. And Barry will never be a good DC.
Brian Flores and far better DC's were sitting there last Spring. MLF ignored that and kept the same ole' shit.
Low and behold, here we are.
@BrainDed posted:…and break in the 4th. They had 4th quarter leads over Desmond Ridder, Jimmy Garoppolo, Kenny Pickett, and Tommy DeVito. Lost all those games.
They had 4th quarter leads over Justin Fields, Patrick Mahomes, Jared Goff, Justin Herbert and won those.
🤷♂️
That doesn't mean shit.....what matters is how the defense is coached in game situations. Wanting to fire Joe "Dogshit" Bury.....is not a 1 game rant.
@NFLHitman33: One of the statements Marty Schottenheimer would tell us in every defensive prevent situation was that “grass has never caught a game winning pass, so covering it won’t help us win!”
This is Christian Watson’s Dad, former NFL (drafted by GB) safety and a good Twitter / X follow.
Matt Lafleur didn't like the defensive play calling on the final drive last night...
— Eli Berkovits (@BookOfEli_NFL) December 12, 2023
"Joe called man coverage, and we're playing way off, which we shouldn't be."
Yeah, no shit.
Recognizing failure is a good first step
@ilcuqui posted:@NFLHitman33: One of the statements Marty Schottenheimer would tell us in every defensive prevent situation was that “grass has never caught a game winning pass, so covering it won’t help us win!”
This is Christian Watson’s Dad, former NFL (drafted by GB) safety and a good Twitter / X follow.
Yeah, but times have changed since Marty was coaching and most games are now played on turf not grass.
Joe B's best call of the night was to allow Barkley to run 50 yards, stumble over his own feet, and let the turf cause a fumble.
Hoila, Valentine picks it up and the Pack was off to the races.
Only turnover causing play of the night for GB.
Not Joe's fault the Giants refused to trip and fall during that last drive.
@michiganjoe posted:Matt Lafleur didn't like the defensive play calling on the final drive last night...
— Eli Berkovits (@BookOfEli_NFL) December 12, 2023
"Joe called man coverage, and we're playing way off, which we shouldn't be."
Yeah, no shit.
And yet, you still employ this motherfucker...
DSITNFL (Dumbest Son of a Bitch in the NFL for the unindoctrinated)
Mike Sherman couldn't coach at this level. Joe Barry can't coach at this level. Geen Bay employs at this level for years longer than anyone else would.
@lovepack posted:Mike Sherman couldn't coach at this level. Joe Barry can't coach at this level. Geen Bay employs at this level for years longer than anyone else would.
Mike Sherman was a tremendous offensive line/TE position coach, a fair to middling offensive coordinator, and a poor head coach. But almost all head coaches get to be the head guy because they were good in the subordinate roles.
@packerboi posted:Brian Flores and far better DC's were sitting there last Spring. MLF ignored that and kept the same ole' shit.
Low and behold, here we are.
Brian Flores would be a threat to take over the head job if things had gone badly and MLF was on the chopping block. Joe Barry would not. That probably factors into MLF's thinking.
I was thinking earlier that for the last 12+ years (at least), the Packers have had dog shit for DCs.
And HCs who not only refused to do what was needed, they actually defend them!
It eventually cost MM his job, and MLF is following the same path.
And we bitch about only having one SB win from generational QBs....
The answer seems obvious, at least to me.
@michiganjoe posted:Matt Lafleur didn't like the defensive play calling on the final drive last night...
— Eli Berkovits (@BookOfEli_NFL) December 12, 2023
"Joe called man coverage, and we're playing way off, which we shouldn't be."
Yeah, no shit.
. I've heard Barry talk about this, that while the call was for man coverage, the DBs have some latitude as to how close to the LOS they play, why they give them that option I don't know.
@michiganjoe posted:Matt Lafleur didn't like the defensive play calling on the final drive last night...
— Eli Berkovits (@BookOfEli_NFL) December 12, 2023
"Joe called man coverage, and we're playing way off, which we shouldn't be."
Yeah, no shit.
Does MLF not realize that he's the head coach and he had timeouts left that weren't going to matter after the game? They either stop them on that drive and kneel to run out the clock or they don't stop them and lose.
You are the head coach and you realize that something is F'd up and that players are playing off coverage for the first 3 plays that resulted in a free 20 yards and your response is ..... to do nothing?
Call timeout and make sure everyone is on the same page. Be the guy in charge, not the leader who says he knew something was wrong afterwards but didn't do anything about it at the time.
@Timmy! posted:I was thinking earlier that for the last 12+ years (at least), the Packers have had dog shit for DCs.
Yeah Mike Pettine really sucked. He was a DC for 8 years. 4 times his teams were in the top 10 for fewest points allowed (including 2019 with GB), and 5 times they were in the top 10 for creating turnovers (again including 2019 with GB). The stat that correlates highest with chances of winning an individual game, after turnover differential, is "average yards gained per pass attempt. (yards gained - yards lost from sacks / pass attempts) ...his teams were top 10 six times in this category. He did this with 3 different teams, but of course MLF thought he could get a better DC.
@FLPACKER posted:Yeah Mike Pettine really sucked. He was a DC for 8 years. 4 times his teams were in the top 10 for fewest points allowed (including 2019 with GB), and 5 times they were in the top 10 for creating turnovers (again including 2019 with GB). The stat that correlates highest with chances of winning an individual game, after turnover differential, is "average yards gained per pass attempt. (yards gained - yards lost from sacks / pass attempts) ...his teams were top 10 six times in this category. He did this with 3 different teams, but of course MLF thought he could get a better DC.
I'd really like to know who made the decision to keep Kevin King active for that playoff game. That was the killer decision, not necessarily any scheme that Pettine ran. Pettine's scheme did confuse Brady enough to have him throw several second half interceptions.
They had signed Tramon Williams the week before the game and could have activated him instead. He was ancient, but he would not have gotten beat for a TD at the end of the 1st half and probably wouldn't have blatantly held on the play that resulted in the first down that ended the game. Who made the call to keep King active?
Wasn't there some communication problem on the play before the half, anyone remember exactly what that was? I know that AR really liked Pettine and called for him to speak to the entire team more often....did MLF see him as competition?
If we could have Dom Capers coach against the bad QBs and Joe Barry coach against the good ones, then we’d really have something going. https://t.co/CQR2ee0jFk
— Eric Drews (@GreenGold4Ever) December 12, 2023
Up and coming new DC candidate? Marquand Manuel
Worked under Dan Quinn at SEA & ATL. Was ATL DC for 1 year, 2018. Is currently with Robert Salah. He will get a DC job soon, why not now? Or at least in Feb?
Former Packer too.
After Seattle's appearance in the Super Bowl, he was signed by the Green Bay Packers as an unrestricted free agent on March 13, 2006. During his only season with the Packers in 2006, Manuel started all sixteen games, totaling a career-high 103 tackles to rank fourth on the team.[8] Memorably, he intercepted a pass deflected by Ahmad Carroll and returned it twenty-nine yards for a touchdown against the Detroit Lions on September 24.
Considering he played with Ahmad Carroll I'd say he did pretty good.
