@PackerHawk posted:Nope. Anything short of a Super Bowl he's gone. But just imagine if they had planned for Devito like they did with Hall? Would be in the playoffs already.
THIS!
He needs to if he wants another job in the NFL in his lifetime.
— Boris at Timesfour (@x4_Packers) January 1, 2024
He also needs to shut down the Bears next week.
I know that many would like to see an "all-out blitzing" defense, but I thought Barry blitzed little, but smartly last night. Wahe talked about Minnesota's defense and said you can play that style if you have good cover guys as Flores did in Miami, but with Murphy out they had to play zone coverage behind their blitzes, and the Packers ate it up.
I'll give him credit for a great game but come on, he played arguably the worst QB in the league this week and that's saying a lot when guys like Aidan O'Connell, Trevor Siemian, Easton Stick, Taylor Heinicke, and Bailey Zappe started.
Panthers were shut out by the Jags this week. As if it's even needed at this point, but just reaffirms he needs to go.
@FLPACKER posted:I know that many would like to see an "all-out blitzing" defense, but I thought Barry blitzed little, but smartly last night. Wahe talked about Minnesota's defense and said you can play that style if you have good cover guys as Flores did in Miami, but with Murphy out they had to play zone coverage behind their blitzes, and the Packers ate it up.
I like the ‘smart blitzing’ of last evening. What is critical is constant 4 man pressure. No 3 man rushes with 8 covering.
I swear MLF must've told him...."If you rush 3, find a new job on Monday"
Rushing 3 with the talent on the D-Line is criminal. Speed up the QBs clock....always.
If the Vikings want to trade DCs I'm all for it!
@FLPACKER posted:I know that many would like to see an "all-out blitzing" defense, but I thought Barry blitzed little, but smartly last night. Wahe talked about Minnesota's defense and said you can play that style if you have good cover guys as Flores did in Miami, but with Murphy out they had to play zone coverage behind their blitzes, and the Packers ate it up.
An all out blitzing team is as dumb as an all soft zone game plan. Barry needs to mix it up. He needs to keep the other team’s offense on its toes and he needs to be more situationally sound. That delayed blitz yesterday was a thing of beauty. Still, I’ve seen enough. FIRE JOE BARRY AND DO IT NOW!
@FLPACKER posted:I know that many would like to see an "all-out blitzing" defense, but I thought Barry blitzed little, but smartly last night. Wahe talked about Minnesota's defense and said you can play that style if you have good cover guys as Flores did in Miami, but with Murphy out they had to play zone coverage behind their blitzes, and the Packers ate it up.
At halftime they showed a stat that the defense blitzed Hall on 50% of his dropbacks. That's unheard of for this defense.
Right now there’s chatter going on that Wade Phillips is going to be the next defensive coordinator. Thoughts?
@PackerHawk posted:At halftime they showed a stat that the defense blitzed Hall on 50% of his dropbacks. That's unheard of for this defense.
Exactly..... And no effing way that was all Berry's doing either
@YooperPackfan posted:Right now there’s chatter going on that Wade Phillips is going to be the next defensive coordinator. Thoughts?
There has been some discussion in this thread earlier about possible replacements for Barry.
Because it's next to impossible to hire a current DC without a promotion being involved, I was looking at the staffs of some of the teams who have done very well this year vs the score, and traditionally have strong defenses.
Primarily Baltimore and SF, but KC and Buffalo as well.
The first thing I noticed is there are a lot of assistant coaches on these teams that are young, with very few years experience. JMHO, but guys that have been in their current roles for a year or 2 aren't ready to make that next step.
I found one guy on SF's staff that could be the one to step up a level.
He's their current LBs coach, a former player, and now has over 35 years of coaching experience. Some of us will recognize him, I'm sure.
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you for your consideration...
Great find, Timmy! I wonder how many other former Packers are coaches throughout the league. I remember Tim Lewis being a hot coaching prospect for a minute. What happened to him?
Edit: after a quick wiki - he was DC for PIT and NYG in mid 2010's then DB coach in SF. Then moved on to the Alliance of American Football (???) and HC in the USFL. Weird trajectory.
Found on the Internet:
There are 5 games this season where Jordan Love and the Offense gave the team a lead late in the game...only for Barry Ball to give it back and lose the game.
The key to the defense on Sunday was Barry (finally) dealing up front seven pressure a few times. A turnover. And most importantly, the Offense chewing clock on long scoring drives keeping Barry Ball off the field. The O had 70 plays to the D having to defend just 50.
Again, it is not the "points" with Barry Ball, it is when he gives them up. His philosophy is one of playing not to lose...then his philosophy usually losses anyway. There is NO vision of dominance for his charges...just play the prevent (the win) soft zone and protect the yards behind you, but don't attempt to take the ground in front of you!
The Defense has talent...Barry even used it a few times with front 7 pressure. Was that Quay Walker getting home on a blitz? Be still my beating heart! Nixon on a blitz. What was that? Then it was gone.
The Packers' D players deserve better.
Man, why did Kevin Greene have to die? Can we reanimate him or something to replace Barry?
@DH13 posted:Great find, Timmy! I wonder how many other former Packers are coaches throughout the league. I remember Tim Lewis being a hot coaching prospect for a minute. What happened to him?
Edit: after a quick wiki - he was DC for PIT and NYG in mid 2010's then DB coach in SF. Then moved on to the Alliance of American Football (???) and HC in the USFL. Weird trajectory.
A bit off topic, but the Lewis's and Riddick's (cousins) all went to high school about a 20 minute drive from my hometown. Three from the Lewis side, including a nephew, and two from the Riddick family, made it to the NFL.
Tim's career arc was similar to Nick Collins. He had the makings of a possible hof career and with one hit it was over. I remember clearly how gutted I felt that night about it.
I remember him on staff with the Stillers and Giants, but I didn't know he ended up in the USFL.
Found on the internet: We play a zone base, Jaire won't shadow anybody in a zone. He doesn't a have primary person to cover, depending on which zone is called in by the playcaller, because there is multiple , that is the area of the field he has to cover. Barry likes to shell behind the Wrs with soft coverage at the line, this can only be successful with an amazing pass rush and human error by the offense via tipped passes, Wr drops, over throwing Wrs, and the shrinking the field in the RedZone. It's a bend don't break style that unfortunately hasn't generated many turnovers and has given up way to many big plays before we can shrink the field even. This defensive scheme might work in Highschool, maybe against mediocre college teams because they actually make errors from time to time. The NFL is the best players in the world, error is minimal even with back ups.
Jaire needs to be playing MAN vs. the best WR on the opposing team.
THAT is how you use Jaire and put him in the best position to succeed. Last year vs. Minnesota....game #2. Jaire mostly shadowed Jefferson and 100% shut him down.
Same thing needs to happen with DJ Moore on Sunday and use Quay with that length and athleticism to SPY and follow Fields all game long.
Packers might lose if they don't do these things
@Boris posted:Jaire needs to be playing MAN vs. the best WR on the opposing team.
THAT is how you use Jaire and put him in the best position to succeed. Last year vs. Minnesota....game #2. Jaire mostly shadowed Jefferson and 100% shut him down.
Same thing needs to happen with DJ Moore on Sunday and use Quay with that length and athleticism to SPY and follow Fields all game long.
Packers might lose if they don't do these things
100%
@CUPackFan posted:I'll give him credit for a great game but come on, he played arguably the worst QB in the league this week and that's saying a lot when guys like Aidan O'Connell, Trevor Siemian, Easton Stick, Taylor Heinicke, and Bailey Zappe started.
Panthers were shut out by the Jags this week. As if it's even needed at this point, but just reaffirms he needs to go.
True. Fields is an actual NFL QB and Barry’s lack of defense hasn’t fared well against those. Fields is coming in hot.
@Harry Manback posted:True. Fields is an actual NFL QB and Barry’s lack of defense hasn’t fared well against those. Fields is coming in hot.
If by "coming in hot" you're referring to his last game, sure. I guess 20 for 32, 268 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, and 45 yards rushing with 1 TD is "hot" for Justin Fields. But in his last three games, he's averaging about 200 yards passing with a total of 3 TDs and 3 INTs. In his last seven games, he's barely averaging 180 yards passing with 5 TDs and 4 INTs.
"Coming in hot" for Justin, I guess.
Smoking Jay would take every one of those numbers.
@Boris posted:Jaire needs to be playing MAN vs. the best WR on the opposing team.
THAT is how you use Jaire and put him in the best position to succeed. Last year vs. Minnesota....game #2. Jaire mostly shadowed Jefferson and 100% shut him down.
Same thing needs to happen with DJ Moore on Sunday and use Quay with that length and athleticism to SPY and follow Fields all game long.
Packers might lose if they don't do these things
And play Savage close to the LOS. When he plays off he has too much time to think, when he needs to just react.
@H5 posted:And play Savage close to the LOS. When he plays off he has too much time to think, when he needs to just react.
That's why I thought they'd try him at slot CB this year.
(Nixon has been damn good, happy to have him)
The Safety spot has been a sore point all season so I get keeping Savage deep - but I wonder if slot CB isn't Savage's best spot. Woodson type role
It will be interesting to see what the new DC thinks and if GB brings Savage back
It will be interesting to see which defense shows up for 4 quarters on Sunday.
The one vs. the Giants, Panthers and Bucs?
Orr....
The one that showed up vs. the lions on Turkey Day, & the Chiefs and Vikings on Sunday Night Football.
Friggin Jekyll and Hyde
The man is a coward. He will not have an aggressive game plan in a must win game. Take the over.
Found on the internet: In the last game's post game press conference, LaFleur made the comment about needing to give Barry and the defensive staff a lot of credit. He acknowledged that they have been getting a lot of grief lately, so he was happy for them to have a game like this. Then he made the comment that "though this was just one game". Maybe I interpreted it differently, but that to me said yeah they had 1 good game, but it doesn't make up for the previous 3 games and the rest.
Former GB coach, Patrick Graham gets all kinds of kudos around the league
Patrick Graham, Las Vegas Raiders defensive coordinator
Graham worked under Mike Pettine in Green Bay as linebackers coach and run game coordinator in 2018. Since then, he's been a DC for the Miami Dolphins, New York Giants, and has been with the Las Vegas Raiders since 2022. They are 8th in defensive DVOA. With a new coaching staff potentially coming to the Raiders, Graham might become available.
The Michigan DC is a former Ravens coach who Harbaugh allowed to go work for his brother. He probably goes with Jim if he takes an NFL job but I would be ok with any coach with ties to the Ravens. Their guys always play hard.
Maybe we should give FJB some slack. I thought the last play against the Panthers a couple weeks ago was pure genius. FJB knew that if they gave up more than 20 yards on that last play, the offense couldn't get down the field to the new LOS in time to spike the ball before the clock ran out.
If that completion was 2 yards shorter, the Panthers probably kick the game winning field goal as time expires.
He's the sole reason the Pack won that game.
@YATittle posted:Found on the Internet:
There are 5 games this season where Jordan Love and the Offense gave the team a lead late in the game...only for Barry Ball to give it back and lose the game.
...
Sadly, this goes back years, even before Barry.....Most of Rodgers' career, too.
@Thunderbird posted:Maybe we should give FJB some slack. I thought the last play against the Panthers a couple weeks ago was pure genius. FJB knew that if they gave up more than 20 yards on that last play, the offense couldn't get down the field to the new LOS in time to spike the ball before the clock ran out.
If that completion was 2 yards shorter, the Panthers probably kick the game winning field goal as time expires.
He's the sole reason the Pack won that game.
Actually, it would only have sent the game to OT.
@Thunderbird posted:Maybe we should give FJB some slack. I thought the last play against the Panthers a couple weeks ago was pure genius. FJB knew that if they gave up more than 20 yards on that last play, the offense couldn't get down the field to the new LOS in time to spike the ball before the clock ran out.
If that completion was 2 yards shorter, the Panthers probably kick the game winning field goal as time expires.
He's the sole reason the Pack won that game.
I hope you forgot to post .
I was for sure being sarcastic. I about had an aneurism on those last 2 plays.
FJB
Details about the ugly truth.