Problem with anyone they bring in, who's going to want to play for a soft beta MLF?
@JimBobDuggar posted:Problem with anyone they bring in, who's going to want to play for a soft beta MLF?
MLF is not going to bring in anyone that is a threat to take the head job from him if things go poorly next year. Pettine was a threat and MLF didn't get to choose him. When he had the chance to hire coordinators, he hired guys like Barry and Drayton.
@MichiganPacker posted:MLF is not going to bring in anyone that is a threat to take the head job from him if things go poorly next year. Pettine was a threat and MLF didn't get to choose him. When he had the chance to hire coordinators, he hired guys like Barry and Drayton.
That's what I'm saying. The universe of defensively competent pu**ies is pretty small.
If MiLF cans Barry tomorrow who gets the interim job?
We're probably stuck with him for 3 more weeks.
Has the team quit on Barry? 23 has definitely quit on Barry. He's lost the locker room.
23 is Simone Biles husband isn’t he??? And they should ALL quit, Joe. Oh, wait they did today…..they did quit today. 🤬
No Owens, #34 is Biles hubby. 23 is Alexander.
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@MichiganPacker posted:MLF is not going to bring in anyone that is a threat to take the head job from him if things go poorly next year. Pettine was a threat and MLF didn't get to choose him. When he had the chance to hire coordinators, he hired guys like Barry and Drayton.
The problem with this theory is that it leads to only one of two conclusions.
MLF is too obtuse or blind to see that the D is and will continue to be the downfall of his team and ultimately his job.
Or MLF is very aware of this and is deciding to go down with his ship rather than implicitly admit he made a mistake with Barry and needs to find someone better.
Neither of those makes much sense for someone who has matriculated himself to HC of an NFL team. And to play out the scenario where he hires someone that is "a threat" to him if he flops, I don't think he believes he will fail that miserably. We've all seen the potential of this green as grass offense and know that it has the ability to score as many points as needed when you're not down your starting LT, RB and WR. His only real glaring shortcoming so far is his inability to get over the hump in critical situations, like I don't know, NFCCG's where you're in a 1 score game late in the 4thQ. But his performance there is much more debatable as there were other factors in those losses.
If there is any perceived threat to MLF, I think it would be whether his DC would command more respect from his players than he would. Which is silly. Who cares as long as the D is successful? Hubris, I guess.
@H5 posted:
If MiLF cans Barry tomorrow who gets the interim job?
That is part of the problem as the D coaches are young or don't have any experience overseeing a defense as a whole; they are limited specialists. The only guy who has some overall experience (with Washington) is Olivadotti.
@MichiganPacker posted:MLF is not going to bring in anyone that is a threat to take the head job from him if things go poorly next year. Pettine was a threat and MLF didn't get to choose him. When he had the chance to hire coordinators, he hired guys like Barry and Drayton.
You could argue he did with Bisaccia after he had the Raiders playing well.
Of course he was followed by Josh McDaniels, which definitely colors the view of his prior coaching there in a flattering way.
The majority of the defensive assistant coaches are much like the team; very young and little NFL experience.
Montgomery is the longest-tenured, joining the Packers in 2015 and promoted to DL coach in 2018. 11 years NCAA experience, including being co-DC at Oklahoma.
Kirk Olivadotti (ILB coach) joined the Packers in 2019, and was with the Redskins for 16 seasons before that.
Either one of those 2 are viable candidates for an interim position as DC.
The Barstool Sports reference from an X post that lists Daniel Jones Zach Wilson Bailey Zappe Taylor Heinicke Ryan Tannehill Desmond Ridder Kenny Pickett Tommy Devito and Baker Mayfield as QBs who have had career games against the Packers the past two years is the biggest indictment of Barry's coaching. Not sure how anyone, let alone the head coach whose performance and reputation are damaged by that, can justify keeping him.
@Goalline posted:Lafleur asked during his presser asked if it was time to make a change at dc says now is not the time.
Whack ‘em both.
Reporter: Matt, would you ever consider an in-season change at coordinator?
LaFleur: Yeah, now’s not the time for that to be honest with you.
Reporter: Why is that?
LaFleur: ‘Cause now is not the time. I’m trying to find solutions and I gotta go back and take a look at the film.
I find this reply pretty telling. I was previously leaning to think that LaFleur would keep Barry for another year because the D, at times, hasn't been awful (low bar) according to LaFleur. But to me, "now is not the time" says a LOT. I think LaFleur is fed up and Barry is gone after the season.
Also, I don't think it really matters if Barry stays for the rest of the season or is let go tomorrow. The season is a year of building, a year to see improvement from young players, a year of significant NFL action for most of the roster. Playoffs, a winning record, beating the Vikings in Minnesota, sweeping the Bears (again) would be great. But they most likely weren't going to be super competitive with such a young roster. So Barry stays 3 more weeks or goes, at this point in the season it really doesn't matter.
@PackLandVA posted:Also, I don't think it really matters if Barry stays for the rest of the season or is let go tomorrow. The season is a year of building, a year to see improvement from young players, a year of significant NFL action for most of the roster. Playoffs, a winning record, beating the Vikings in Minnesota, sweeping the Bears (again) would be great. But they most likely weren't going to be super competitive with such a young roster. So Barry stays 3 more weeks or goes, at this point in the season it really doesn't matter.
That's a fair point. I think the one reason you might want to pull the plug now would be to audition one of your assistants if you believe they'd be in contention for the job in the off season. Personally I'd fire him tomorrow. But I think odds are Barry is in place the last three games. Regardless, something must be done. They're crazy if they let him keep his job beyond this season. Not after everything we've witnessed this year.
Bills fired their OC at 5-5, now they are 8-6.
Who is Raiders interim HC? I don't know but they remain competitive going 3-3 after firing, HC, OC & GM after 3-5 start.
Wash and Car made coaching changes too with little effect.
But change brings a change. Why not switch it up and see how players respond? We already know how the Joe Bury show goes...
@GreenBayLA posted:Bills fired their OC at 5-5, now they are 8-6.
Who is Raiders interim HC? I don't know but they remain competitive going 3-3 after firing, HC, OC & GM after 3-5 start.
Wash and Car made coaching changes too with little effect.
But change brings a change. Why not switch it up and see how players respond? We already know how the Joe Bury show goes...
The 10-3 Eagles just demoted their Defensive Coordinator, but he was not a big time name like Joe Barry.
Joe Barry should have married Mrs.Kiel..she would definitely be telling him what a loser he is.
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In 2009 I finished 3rd out of 30 reps. As I packed for the sales meeting, “Mrs. Kiel said to me, “Why are you even going if you didn’t win something?.”
"Today, the Packers put together one of the worst pass coverage performances in recent NFL history, by any team.
Their overall PFF coverage grade of 29.3 today is the lowest grade of any team in a single game in the last 5 seasons."
@GrenBayLA - as it's been mentioned, it's a young staff and there may not be any current positional coaches ready to take over, even for just 3 games. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be fired tomorrow. I just think it doesn't matter with three games left and a losing record.
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@JimBobDuggar posted:
Packers would be 30th in defensive DVOA (before today) if not for the 20-3 win over the Rams where Stafford was out. Terrible defensive game today.
— Aaron Schatz 🏈 (@ASchatzNFL) December 17, 2023
Oh.....and BTW.... That was the last game jaire Alexander played.
@SteveLuke posted:"Today, the Packers put together one of the worst pass coverage performances in recent NFL history, by any team.
Their overall PFF coverage grade of 29.3 today is the lowest grade of any team in a single game in the last 5 seasons."
Any team can have a bad century - Jack Brickhouse.
Jim Leonhard is still out there. He is my choice.
His entire career, playing and coaching, he has gotten the most out of limited talent. If he succeeds, he will leave to take the head job at UW and that’s fine. If he doesn’t, it was a well placed bet.
Will the vets respect Jim? A young dude who has done what? They might ask. Who is this punk? They might ask. Does he command respect?
DeVito sacked seven times and the Giants scored six points in their loss to the Saints.
Who else watched the Bills demolish the Pukes and think to themselves, "What is this witchcraft? "
Let's talk about all of those first round defensive picks:
Gary, Prolly the best player. Came back from injury. Hardly heard his name yesterday or against NY
JA , Nowhere to be seen in a game, hurt again allegedly
Kenny Clark, hear his name once or twice a game
Savage, Hurt all the time and stinks when he isn't
Stokes, Bad injury. will probably never be what he could have been
Walker, Fast but rides running backs like the horsie in front of K Mart!
Wyatt, Shows up on a play every 4 or 5 games
Van Ness, Makes a play and then sits on the bench for several plays for some weird reason. Coach's decision?
@PackLandVA posted:@GrenBayLA - as it's been mentioned, it's a young staff and there may not be any current positional coaches ready to take over, even for just 3 games. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be fired tomorrow. I just think it doesn't matter with three games left and a losing record.
Agree ...in addition, say he does replace Barry with someone who he doesn't really think is ready. The defense plays much better for those 3 games and the players like the guy ... now you've created a worse situation for the guy you hire for next season.
@lovepack posted:Will the vets respect Jim? A young dude who has done what? They might ask. Who is this punk? They might ask. Does he command respect?
For Krist sake he is 41 years old. Not really a young dude. He played in the NFL for 10 years with 5 different team. Spent 8 years coaching in college. Far from being a punk.
Is Leonard even on a staff this year? He may be ok but who really knows Even Cowboys fans are ready to run the great Dan Quin out of Dallas after yesterdays debacle. Bowles has had his issues but he ran some creative blizes against the packers yesterday. When was the last time we went wow with something creative from Joe Barry. Leonard might be great but he also may be a dud. Nobody lined up to give him a big job this year when Wisconsin let him go.
Thing is every team has suffered at least one blowout this year, even CLE, SF, PHI and NEP. It happens, it's the NFL. You need to look at game to game performance and especially crunch time within games. I don't have time to do that but there damn well better be someone at 1265 doing that.
He's going to finally can Barry then hire...Staley, isn't he.