The Packers are going to do what with Peppers? A Chicago perspective. Not the video embedded, just the article.
Yup... The good 'ol "Psycho"... It'll be a thing of beauty.
I have to go check my tire pressure.
I think we can all get off his back for taking off plays now that we know what he's saving his "motor" for.
YeeeeeOUCH!!
Peppers will wear #56
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Originally Posted by Caveman:
I hope he has lots in the tank
Im not going to have any expectations of Peppers so anything he gives us
will be a pleasant surprise.
Im skeptical why the Bears (with a worse D) kicked him to the curb and there didnt seem to be a big market for him...
I just Trust Ted that it was a worthwhile investment
I think they kicked him to the curb, because he had a huge cap number and salary he was due, over 18M this year. They could have tried to re-negotiate and maybe they did, Peppers knew the Bears aren't going to win anytime soon, and said no on the renegotiation. He knows that would mean his release and he would be able to sign where he wanted, presumably to WIN.
Having said all that, we'll see what he can provide, he's a "name", and has talent, but is getting older. Hopefully, he can show some leadership and win some 1 on battles.
quote:Im skeptical why the Bears (with a worse D) kicked him to the curb
The Bears are stupid?
"Survey says...."
ding ding ding
number one answer "Bears are stupid"
heck even if he just brings it in two games against his old team it will be worth it. I bet he cannot wait. I watched him here at NC in college. always dominated when he wanted to
ding ding ding
number one answer "Bears are stupid"
heck even if he just brings it in two games against his old team it will be worth it. I bet he cannot wait. I watched him here at NC in college. always dominated when he wanted to
When you have a great big winning machine like Jay Cutler guys like Peppers are expendable.
I don't think the Bears were stupid at all for letting Peppers go. His cap # was way to high for the production he had given them last year. They basically got Jared Allen and about $7 million in cap space for the price of Peppers. And Allen in two years younger. I think they made a good move. Not great, but good.
I'll drink to Jared Allen being a Bear instead of Peppers.
I'll tip one to that too.
Originally Posted by PackLandVA:
I don't think the Bears were stupid at all for letting Peppers go. His cap # was way to high for the production he had given them last year. They basically got Jared Allen and about $7 million in cap space for the price of Peppers. And Allen in two years younger. I think they made a good move. Not great, but good.
They had to make that move, but they are being charged $8.66 million this year in cap space for him. He would have cost them $18 million if he stayed. This is not a mosquito bite, it is a world of hurt. They screwed up big time with the original contract which cannot be described in any way as a "good move".
Green Crusty
Are you saying it would've been better for the Bears to keep Peppers and pay $18 million for 2014??? The contract came back to bite them, no doubt. But they made a bad situation better. They saved $10 million by releasing him and only have to pay Jared Allen $3 million this year. The extra money allowed them to sign a serviceable backup Center who could be a starter if needed.
I'm not suggesting it was a brilliant move. But it certainly wasn't a bad move. They took a bad situation and made it better, IMO.
They saved some cap space this year by kicking a $12M pay day down the road for one year. I think they were totally justifiable in cutting JP based on his number, but not to double that cost commitment for a slightly better, slightly younger version. The Bears are quite committed to the "win now" approach for a team that's not ready to "win now."
Again, good move, not great.
We agree that the original deal was bad. I get your point about cap savings by cutting him after the damage was done, just don't gloss over the $8.6 million cap charge this year. IL Pack Fan has it that they compounded their problem by signing Allen. $15.5 million over the next two years guaranteed is too much.
This is a non-malpractice move, but not a good move. They should have sucked it up this year and made provisions for the future instead of adding another player on the decline to replace a bad deal.
Bears essentially swapped Peppers and Melton for Allen and Houston. Not sure if Melton was going to be 100% this year but it's good to see him gone.
Allen is going to look like Walt Garrison on that sadass field.
Allen is going to look like Walt Garrison on that sadass field.
Poorly run organizations let go of good players all the time.
Originally Posted by Green Crustacean:
..., just don't gloss over the $8.6 million cap charge this year.
There's no glossing over the cap hit. They have that $8.6 whether they cut him or not. It's the other $10 million they don't pay. This is not rocket science.
I think cutting him was the right move to make, and I don't think signing Allen was horrible. If you disagree, I'm fine fine with it.
Originally Posted by PackLandVA:
Originally Posted by Green Crustacean:
..., just don't gloss over the $8.6 million cap charge this year.
There's no glossing over the cap hit. They have that $8.6 whether they cut him or not. It's the other $10 million they don't pay. This is not rocket science. surgery
FTFY
Originally Posted by Green Crustacean:
$15.5 million over the next two years guaranteed is too much.
Especially for a player that stated he was going to retire
Originally Posted by Orlando Wolf:
Poorly run organizations let go of good players all the time.
I know i'm just picking gnats here, but that's a pretty lazy statement. Well run organizations let go of good players quite often as well. Difference is, well run organizations let them go because they want to much. Poorly run organizations let them go because they cost to much.
How often does a well run organization let go of a great player? Almost never.
Poorly led franchises overlook talent all the time. Take Boykin for instance. There is a spot for that guy on Jacksonville's roster.
Poorly led franchises overlook talent all the time. Take Boykin for instance. There is a spot for that guy on Jacksonville's roster.
Freely admit to being some what of an ass here in the first place but you did not say great, you said good. There is a difference. And if you wish to change the bar, it still doesn't apply to the Bears in this instance. The Julius Peppers the Panthers let go was great. The Julius Peppers the Bears let go is good.
I have no doubt that the Packers are going to get a monster season out of Peppers in 2014, and what will probably still at least be a good season in 2015. Even if they only get one good season out of him, this is still a smart investment.
He got 6.5 sacks on the Bears in that quagmire of a field with probably only 2 legit defensive players on the team (Melton & Tillman).
If the Packers stay healthy, I fully expect to see a great defensive performance this season by our entire team. Not just Peppers
Like Charles Woodson, kevin Garnett and David Ortiz, peppers departure from Chicago will be another example of a poor decision by a poorly led organization.
Originally Posted by KonKrete:
Freely admit to being some what of an ass here in the first place but you did not say great, you said good. There is a difference. And if you wish to change the bar, it still doesn't apply to the Bears in this instance. The Julius Peppers the Panthers let go was great. The Julius Peppers the Bears let go is good.
Good, great you make the call.
seems as though the Packers have several players whose talents are more specific to this new Elephant end they are going to be running. Peppers, Datone Jones, Perry, Neal, and Clay all appear to be available for that position. So maybe they are just going run the Herd out there to put pressure on the QB. Third and long will probably be five elephants and six DBs. May not need an ILB after all.
Not in the Psycho, no...
With Peppers, Neal, Jones and Perry they probably hope one will be healthy enough to play each week.
Originally Posted by Herschel:
I wonder if Peppers choose 56 in honor of Lawrence Taylor another former Tar Heel
Peppers can wear #56 as long as he plays like Taylor and leaves the underage girls alone!
Sorry but Cutler is fair game.
Hello? Jay!
The 1970's want those socks back. whew....what a fashionista!
@AaronRodgers12: Saw Julius Peppers in green and gold today. That was cool.
m.twitter.com/AaronRodgers12
From back in March...
I can see Capers going with some 4-3 this year with a Dl of Peppers, Raji Pennel, Daniels, and Jones, with LBs of Neal, Perry, and CM3.
edited - Raji out, Pennel in