Leslie Frazier out as queens coach?/Non-Packer Coach Firings thread

Frazier is a 4-3 guy I think.

Frazier is 4-3. I want the guy from Cleveland, Ray Horton, who is a 3-4 guy and who has his D in the upper fourth or so with no-name guys. Now he's someone who could probably step right in. Although Cleveland was a mess this year, their D was a lot better.

I don't think Cleveland has released Horton from his contract yet. He may be their new head coach or ownership may force Horton to be on the new head coaches staff.

Ryan Longwell‏@4thandLongwell

So sorry to see Leslie Frazier go.  Great coach, even better man of integrity.  Too bad they fired the wrong guy up there.

 

 

 

@PGPackersNews

I know they haven't release Horton, but if they bring in a new coach Horton could be released later. Perfect timing. 

 

Bevell to Minn? That team needs a guy who's stronger than him, a guy who can really play tough with the admin. As a new HC, Bevell is probably not that guy, which means he is that guy. Frazier has been talking to the media claiming ownership, the GM and he had input on which QB to play (they have had 7 different QBs during his time there!), intimating that he was told whom to play. Spielman is claiming admin never told Fraizer who to put on the field. Finger pointing all over the place. I wouldn't go near the place. The only worse place might be Washington.

This guy nailed it on why the Queens job is the worst one out there: Dysfunctional Vikings clearly the least attractive job out there

Minnesota is not the worst available coaching job.  I'd rank them this way, worst to best:

1. Cleveland

2. Washington

3. Minnesota

4. Tampa Bay

5. Houston

6. Detroit (bad city, but talented roster)

I think the Detroit job is the most desirable by far.  There's talent galore there and an opportunity to make a big first season splash.  I'd rank them:

 

1. Detroit

2. Houston

3. Tampa Bay

4. Minnesota

5. Washington (Snyder is a bag of dicks) 

6. Cleveland (Can't win there.. didn't even give the other guy a full year?? No way..)

If I'm an established Super Bowl winning coach, I walk into Washington & tell Snyder exactly how much power I need, which is to say, I run the show & you butt out.

 

These owners just can't give up control.... for whatever reason.

 

Detroit with a good QB coach & decent DC would be dangerous.

Minnesota is the worst job. You have incompetence at the top and an apparently bulletproof GM who is absolutely terrible. 

 

Cleveland is bad right now, but they at least have some talent to work with. Plus they have an extra 1st from ripping off the Colts. 

 

Houston and Washington are weird jobs. Bob McNair is quietly one of the more meddling owners in the NFL, I wouldn't want to work for him. But Houston has a ton of talent to work with. Washington has a lot of talent at QB, RB, and defense that a good coach could walk in and have some success early on. Snyder will ruin it though like always. 

 

Tampa is probably the best job out there in my mind. They have a lot of good young talent. They have a good running game, a QB who will get better, and some playmakers on D. 

 

Worst to best:

1. Minnesota

2. Cleveland

3. Washington

4. Houston

5. Detoilet

6. Tampa Bay

 

 

lions are looking at Tom Cable that's perfect

Any job (team) without a established big time QB is risky.  Very few owners have the patients to retain a coach after a couple of losing seasons and very few coaches can win consistently with bad QB play.  Chud gets one yr with those Qb's?  St Vinnie would be a loser with them.

Washington is a coaches death trap with Cleveland not far behind. The Queens are close to being as bad.

I think Houston might be the best place. The team is as talented as Detroit except they have no QB. They will have a pretty good prospect at QB after the Draft.

LOL, he can demonstrate for Suh exactly how to take out players on the other team.

You guys are being too kind in your lists of worst HC jobs.

DallAss is easily the absolute worst.

Washington is not far behind.

Houston probably rounds out this group.

Carolina might be included, but if Richardson interferes, he does it quitely.

In any case, these teams have the worst to offer in meddlesome owners, and have no future.

 

Some other places like Detroit, Minnesota, Cleveland are indeed bad jobs to have, but for the opposite reasons. Their owners are more apathetic, tend to have weaker executives, and it inevitably filters down to poor choices in player acquisition, and team and salary cap management. Also jobs with not a lot of future.

I think you have to look at the ownership in particular in Cleveland and Washington and wonder why any coach would want to go there.   Their ownership is completely meddling and they hire and fire coaches and GMs like they are going out of style.

 

I would think the Detroit job would be appealing if for no reason than they have some talent on that roster and Mayhew seems like a pretty good GM.  We all know the Ford ownership tends to keep guys for a while as well.   I would think Houston would be a close second.  Pretty good roster, good fans, etc. 

 

Minnesota is just, eh.  Sure they have Adrian Peterson but that is a BAD team overall.   Put it another way- other than Peterson and Chad Greenway and maybe their injured safety what other players on that team would you take over GB's starters at any position?  Not many.   They literally need to overhaul that entire defense.  They have no QB.   They lack playmakers all over the place.   Even if they have a dynamite draft the next three years I can't see them winning more than 7-8 games.  And that assumes Peterson continues to run at the pace he's been running and that's no guarantee.  

@AnthonyDiMoro

Bring Sherman in for the OL.

Absolutely!!

But I have a hard time thinking Sherman would take/want the job

He likely gets another HC gig in college.

It's Official. Lovie to the Bucs!!

Yep. One of the better candidates. If he just got a real OC, he'd do very well IMO.

 

Glad he is out of the NFC North

Me too.  Some good help, too:

 

@JasonLaCanfora: Look for Lovie Smith to bring Jeff Tedford as his offensive coordinator and Leslie Frazier as his defensive coordinator

Sherman would sooner take a low-level college HC job than return to the Packers as an OL coach. Things like that have happened, though. Dave Campo returned to the Cowboys as a DB coach years after being fired. Based on what I've read about Sherman after he lost the GM job and was fired from Texas A&M, I think he is to proud/bitter to even contemplate that kind of offer.

Kind of interesting that Tedford would leave his gig for a coordinator position.

Tedford was fired after the 2012 season. He doesn't have a job at the moment.

Alrighty then.

Now I wish Ted readthis brilliant. http://profootballtalk.nbcspor...nd-revis-experiment/

With the hiring of Lovie,  Revis might be done. Costly mistake.

Lovie Smith... I am kind of neutral about...

 

But, Tedford...    Finally, a guy that has a PROVEN offensive track record. 

 

It takes a CAL guy to lead you to the promised land, no? 

Yes. Just ask David Carr or Joey Harrington

Little ARodg/Tedford reunion next season down in the bay.  Like it.

Tedford recruited David, but was only at Fresno State one year before he left for Oregon. If you want to blame someone, blame Andy Ludwig...his OC for 4 years. 

I don't think it's fair to completely blame Tedford for Carr.  Carr got trotted out as a rookie behind a deplorable OL and got the piss beat out of him mercilessly.  That ruined him more than anything.  

That has ruined a lot of high draft picks at the QB position.

Dom Capers was David Carr's first HC, so it is obviously his fault.

A.J. Hawk was David Carr's left tackle during his rookie season.

Leslie Frazier going to Tampa as defensive coordinator

Munchak out as Titans HC

 

I think he'd be an excellent Offensive Line coach