LET THE LOVE ERA BEGIN.

@H5 posted:

When the Packers extended Rodgers to this contract, they and he basically committed / agreed to him playing through 2024.

Through 2023 really.  The cap hit from moving on from Rodgers after 2023 vs 2024 is minimal ($24m vs $16m), which is quite a bit diff from moving on from him after this season ($40m).

Yep, all this talk of trading Rodgers in 2023 requires suspending the reality of the salary cap.

@YATittle posted:

Yeah Pettine thought Brady was playing for five more yards to get a field goal, hence ordering King to play like a fool for the sideline route.

The bigger thing I always wanted to know was who decided that Kevin King should be active for that game? They signed Tramon as an emergency replacement for that game and then decided on game day that King could play. King wasn't that good when healthy and clearly was limited by injury. If Tramon plays, that end of half TD doesn't happen. King also seemed to be playing a defensive call different than the rest of the team. Jaire backed up and gave a huge cushion on the offensive right side of the formation and King was up. Clearly, one of them was incorrect in the defensive scheme they were playing.

@PackerHawk posted:

Yep, all this talk of trading Rodgers in 2023 requires suspending the reality of the salary cap.

Those numbers I posed above can be spread out over multiple years.  But it's not great in either case.

Given his statements about beginning and ending with the same team and how proud he was about that, I doubt that Rodgers would be interested in playing for another team. And, as others have noted, the cap hit for us and them would be killer.
However, I would not be surprised if he retires after this season. I wonder if that improves the cap hit vs. trade.

Consistency on the O-line, improvement thru development  at WR, and an upgrade at TE, and I see no reason why AR couldn’t be a legit contender for another MVP in 2023. Not certain I understand the quick trigger moving on from one of the GOATs.

I think that The Packers could have a good season next year with Rodgers if the team can afford many of the players who will cost a ton of money next year. Something has to give. For example, Love would be cheaper if he was signed to a contract instead of 5th year option. Other players could get resigned with void years. But there is only so much that can be done with restructuring contracts.

@MichiganPacker posted:

The bigger thing I always wanted to know was who decided that Kevin King should be active for that game? They signed Tramon as an emergency replacement for that game and then decided on game day that King could play. King wasn't that good when healthy and clearly was limited by injury. If Tramon plays, that end of half TD doesn't happen. King also seemed to be playing a defensive call different than the rest of the team. Jaire backed up and gave a huge cushion on the offensive right side of the formation and King was up. Clearly, one of them was incorrect in the defensive scheme they were playing.

You are spot on with that and I also wondered, but based on the last part of your post maybe King just got the call wrong.

Well, Amos said he wished he would have called the TO he was thinking about calling before that play started because he realized they were not in the correct coverage. He didn't, and we know what happened.

@Fandame posted:

Send Rodgers to the Giants or Commanders. Both need better QBs, the two cities would be bigger markets for him to play in and allow him to continue showing off his ego on a bigger stage. The Colts, Falcons, Panthers, Texans, and Saints aren't going anywhere soon. The Seahawks seem to have resurrected Geno. It also depends on if Sean Payton returns to coaching and where he lands, as Payton has said he wants to come back...

@BrainDed has explained, several times now, that trading Rodgers is virtually impossible due to the cap hit.  I'm a bit confused why some people aren't grasping that concept.  Rodgers is absolutely going to be playing in GB in 2023 if he doesn't retire, which he would be a complete fool to do so.

@vitaflo posted:

Those numbers I posed above can be spread out over multiple years.  But it's not great in either case.

I no longer look at raw cap numbers as an absolute. So much that these teams can do to reduce the impact of the cap on any particular year.

@PackerPatrick posted:

Given his statements about beginning and ending with the same team and how proud he was about that, I doubt that Rodgers would be interested in playing for another team. And, as others have noted, the cap hit for us and them would be killer.
However, I would not be surprised if he retires after this season. I wonder if that improves the cap hit vs. trade.

You wouldn’t be surprised if he passed up 100 million dollars???????

@Pakrz posted:

@BrainDed has explained, several times now, that trading Rodgers is virtually impossible due to the cap hit.  I'm a bit confused why some people aren't grasping that concept.  Rodgers is absolutely going to be playing in GB in 2023 if he doesn't retire, which he would be a complete fool to do so.

That’s for most teams, our front office brain wizards can manipulate the numbers and make things happen.

It may not be as bad as we think.

The cap is expected to rise in 2023.

https://www.nfl.com/news/salar...but-questions-remain

@Pakrz posted:

@BrainDed has explained, several times now, that trading Rodgers is virtually impossible due to the cap hit.  I'm a bit confused why some people aren't grasping that concept.  Rodgers is absolutely going to be playing in GB in 2023 if he doesn't retire, which he would be a complete fool to do so.

No, I understand that. It was in response to discussing potential trade partners if it were a possibility. Of course, now we can add the Niners to the list...

@Pakrz posted:

@BrainDed has explained, several times now, that trading Rodgers is virtually impossible due to the cap hit.  I'm a bit confused why some people aren't grasping that concept.  Rodgers is absolutely going to be playing in GB in 2023 if he doesn't retire, which he would be a complete fool to do so.

What if the Packers traded him to a team with a lot of cap space..

@PackLandVA posted:

What if the Packers traded him to a team with a lot of cap space..

Or he agreed to restructure... 

@Fandame posted:

No, I understand that. It was in response to discussing potential trade partners if it were a possibility. Of course, now we can add the Niners to the list...

Maybe get a double hometown discount

Or he got murdered by one of his 3000 former fiancés?

@vitaflo posted:

Through 2023 really.  The cap hit from moving on from Rodgers after 2023 vs 2024 is minimal ($24m vs $16m), which is quite a bit diff from moving on from him after this season ($40m).

Not accurate. At least not according to Ken Ingalls. If Ingalls is right, and he's been right on the cap more than others I've read, the Packers and Rodgers signed up through at least 2024.

Ken Ingalls is an excellent follow.

Ken Ingalls - Packers Cap

@KenIngalls

@H5 posted:

Not accurate. At least not according to Ken Ingalls. If Ingalls is right, and he's been right on the cap more than others I've read, the Packers and Rodgers signed up through at least 2024.

And:

@D J posted:

And:

As I've laid out in the past the $40.3M dead cap is from: -2019 Signing Bonus Remaining: $2,852,000 -2021 Restructure Bonus Remaining: $4,821,570 -2022 Gtd Roster Bonus Remaining: $32,640,000 When a team constantly (re)structures a contract to push out cap this is the end game.

As for me understanding this, it may as well be written in Cantonese.

@Gsands posted:

As for me understanding this, it may as well be written in Cantonese.

It’s in Mandarin!!!

Jack talk Thai very well.   I'll translate for you.

They are fucked.

That's funny, but they aren't really because he's still a top 5 QB.

@Goalline posted:

It’s in Mandarin!!!

I think you mean "Tony" Mandarin.

@PackLandVA posted:

I think you mean "Tony" Mandarin.

Bust!

@H5 posted:

Not accurate. At least not according to Ken Ingalls. If Ingalls is right, and he's been right on the cap more than others I've read, the Packers and Rodgers signed up through at least 2024.

His numbers for Rodgers retiring after 2023 are wildly different than everywhere else reported online.  Not saying he's wrong (I've seen his stuff before), but AR's contract is $150m guaranteed.  How does retiring in 2023 have *less* dead cap than him retiring in 2024?

@Goalline posted:

You wouldn’t be surprised if he passed up 100 million dollars???????

Yes, there IS that! Ha! Good point. I know that I would take the money if offered. But given all his talk about retirement before this season and all the money he has made he just might do it. And with what he make’s already and what he will get anyway after retirement. I stand by my statement.

More discussion. https://madison.com/sports/foo...twitter_MadisonSport

Good discussion by Herman of the difficult Love situation. Organization brought much of this on itself by excessive coddling of AR and the failure to take the massive compensation from the Broncos when available.

NOBODY knows the details of that contract except for 12 his agent and the FO.  there could be so many little out's we (or any other contract expert on twitter) have no clue about.

Nags chimes in

https://youtu.be/FGpxfIrHaCI

Anything happen today? Why all the conjecture all of a sudden?

@WolfPack posted:

Nags chimes in

https://youtu.be/FGpxfIrHaCI

Anything happen today? Why all the conjecture all of a sudden?

There's a beast that needs to be fed. The daily product.

Have mercy, every talking head on TV or the innerwebs is weighing in on whether to play Love or not. Not exactly creating a QB controversy, but something in the same vein.
I suppose some interesting conversation can be had on the merits of playing him or not, but it's much ado about nothing, IMHO.

YA is right. At this point in the season, any discussion about the Packers must be about Love. How quickly the Joe Barry discussions faded away....

The only reason Joe Barry discussion has faded because there is nothing more to be said.  He is a piss poor coach and everyone knows it by now.  Well, almost everyone.