I hope Love does surprise a lot of us and not that it's Gute's ego speaking to tell Rodgers to "piss off just because I drafted Love and want him to play." I hope Gute is thinking that Rodgers is done; he may have one more good year and that's it. Rodgers sure wasn't getting it done in GB anymore, especially in big games.
@Goalline posted:I think Love is going to surprise a lot of us.
Perhaps
If you're paying attention to the QB whisperers and coaches who worked with him or reviewed his film - there shouldn't be much surprise left.
Its not a secret - but it might be an inconvenient truth for some fans
It's his Larry McCarren type pinkie that is causing his y & t problem.
People will just need to be patient with Love. It's different when the bullets are live, and every opponent has a bunch of film on you every week. He's going to make some amazing throws, he's gonna make some WTF throws...that's what QB's do in this league...even the best ones.
And as much as people want to believe it, it's never JUST the QB that wins or loses the game for you. It truly is a team sport.
There's an old saying, which may have been debunked because I don't hear it said much anymore, that you play the game on Sunday but win the game on Wednesday.
Green Bay's Philosophy Created Strong OL Depth
https://zonecoverage.com/2023/...ted-strong-ol-depth/
That’s why the Jordan Love era is set to start under a good offensive line situation, both in the short- and long-term.
According to PFF metrics, the Packers are expected to have the second-best pass-protecting offensive line in football in 2023, right after the Philadelphia Eagles.
Not Rodgers. His BFF is Cobb, Lewis and Lazard.
@Satori posted:
Green Bay's Philosophy Created Strong OL Depthhttps://zonecoverage.com/2023/...ted-strong-ol-depth/
That’s why the Jordan Love era is set to start under a good offensive line situation, both in the short- and long-term.
According to PFF metrics, the Packers are expected to have the second-best pass-protecting offensive line in football in 2023, right after the Philadelphia Eagles.
I would say the starters are solid but in no way would I call the depth strong. Bahk and Jenkins are outstanding. Myers is just ok. Runyan seemed to have a bit of an off year and Tom looks like he might be our RT of the future. Nijman is a solid swing tackle. The rest of the depth is unproven to poor including Jake Hanson, Newman, and a handful of guys that never saw the field last year despite the OL struggles (Rhyan, Caleb Jones, and Rasheed Walker).
@Goalline posted:To be fair, Rodgers and Bahk are really close.😂
You would probably be close to a dude that bought you a golf cart too....?
@Goalline posted:I think Love is going to surprise a lot of us. You don’t just tell a 4 time MVP to piss off unless you have something to replace him with.
What a difference a year makes. A year ago they forgoed a kings ransom and took on huge debt to avoid replacing him. Strange. Did Love change that much in a year?
The front office has been floundering since Gute stepped in. Player acquisition / retention has been a disaster. He has had 1 good draft and 1 good year of free agency since 2018.
@BrainDed posted:What a difference a year makes. A year ago they forgoed a kings ransom and took on huge debt to avoid replacing him. Strange. Did Love change that much in a year?
The front office has been floundering since Gute stepped in. Player acquisition / retention has been a disaster. He has had 1 good draft and 1 good year of free agency since 2018.
1 good draft? You are tough to please.
His first 2 drafts were good, if you use the Ron Wolf metric, which you should. 2020 was okay, and 2021 and 22? Too soon to tell. Gute is doing okay. If Love takes off, 2020 was a great draft.
@BrainDed posted:The front office has been floundering since Gute stepped in. Player acquisition / retention has been a disaster.
So who built the roster that won 13 games in 3 consecutive seasons ? A feat rarely repeated in the NFL and one that's never been repeated with a 1st year head coach.
Your post strongly suggests you don't have the requisite lumens to have an informed discourse on this topic.
Therefore: You will not see me at the pancake social tomorrow
@Satori posted:So who built the roster that won 13 games in 3 consecutive seasons ? A feat rarely repeated in the NFL and one that's never been repeated with a 1st year head coach.
Your post strongly suggests you don't have the requisite lumens to have an informed discourse on this topic.
Therefore: You will not see me at the pancake social tomorrow
Why did you post Blair Kiel pointing at us?
We need to get comfortable with spending resources on finding a difference making QB. I think it's silly to evaluate a GM solely on one QB pick. Most QB picks end up not working. Love may or may not be good. Likely won't have clarity for another two years, but we have to find out. It's more likely he's top 20 than top 10 or top 5 let alone the next HOF level player.
It's trendy to complain about premium QB salary cap, but it's underrated how much draft capital it saves when it comes to chasing the next premium QB.
We're inside the cycle of trying to find a difference maker. Until Love proves himself it's reasonable to think we're at a defecit for the QB match up for most weeks of the foreseeable future. Cousins and Goff have vastly more experience. When Rodgers is taking snaps the regular season gets taken for granted if the rest of the team is even half way decent. We all need to prepare for Sundays with more interceptions and more pressure on the defense. 12 is the undisputed GOAT in that department.
Rodgers is like having the only joker at the poker table. The team believes he can dig them out of the hole on any given week. I might have issues with his demeanor, but he laid out expectations and his resume forced respect. Love's still got to earn his on the field. Seems like a high character guy, but the NFL season is long and even the best can struggle for a month at a time. We have no idea how game Love is at the highest level.
^ Disagree.
@titmfatied posted:Rodgers is like having the only joker at the poker table. The team believes he can dig them out of the hole on any given week. I might have issues with his demeanor, but he laid out expectations and his resume forced respect.
This post was true a year ago. But 2022 showed us a different card. The peak coming when whats-his-name rookie for DET picked him off, was it 3 times last year?
@Satori posted:So who built the roster that won 13 games in 3 consecutive seasons ? A feat rarely repeated in the NFL and one that's never been repeated with a 1st year head coach.
Your post strongly suggests you don't have the requisite lumens to have an informed discourse on this topic.
Therefore: You will not see me at the pancake social tomorrow
Back to back MVP's led that team to 13 win seasons. Want to make a bet that this roster wins 13 games with Love at QB? Didn't think so.
@titmfatied posted:Rodgers is like having the only joker at the poker table.
What kind of sconnie bullshit is that.
@BrainDed posted:Back to back MVP's led that team to 13 win seasons. Want to make a bet that this roster wins 13 games with Love at QB? Didn't think so.
I don't put a lot of stock in those MVPs. More than ever I think Rodgers was playing for those numbers. Before those 2 MVP seasons is when he had his falling out with the Packers. He seems quick to bring those MVPs up rather than claiming he led his team to three consecutive 13 wins seasons. He took a 13-3 team in 2019 and made them 13-3 thanks to his MVPs. He threw 9 TD passes one of those seasons that were two yards or less. Aaron Jones rushed for 16 TDs in 2019 and a total of 13 combined in the following MVP seasons. Keep in mind this roster won 8 games with Rodgers last season. Make the number 8, like it should be, and you might get some action.
Personally, I’ll just watch the games and hope the TEAM does well. Praise them when appropriate and rip them when it’s needed.
Enjoy the season.
@BrainDed posted:Back to back MVP's led that team to 13 win seasons. Want to make a bet that this roster wins 13 games with Love at QB? Didn't think so.
The back- to -back MVP won 8 games with this roster in 2022.
Wanna bet that the Love -led Packers win more games this season ?
Vegas just came out with win totals and GB is listed at either 7 or 7.5
I'll bump that up 'cause I'm feeling generous. I'll take the Packers winning 9 or more games in 2023. Are you taking the under ?
I wish mlf was as optimistic as fans were...I am kind of disappointed in the lack of 'better watch out for 10' - or 'you'll see'...nothing...i don't know about mlf...he's too...too...nice...
@titmfatied posted:We need to get comfortable with spending resources on finding a difference making QB.
We're inside the cycle of trying to find a difference maker.
The reason I disagreed with your post is because one of the foundational tenets of the Shanahan-MLF offense is that you don't need a difference-maker franchise QB in order to be successful with it. Both Goff and JimmyG are limited QBs, but both took their teams to the SB in large part because of the scheme they were running
So when your post starts out ignoring the foundational tenets of the offense- how are we as readers supposed to give it any credibility ?
Love doesn't have to be as good as a 4X HOF QB with 2 decades of experience in order to win football games. He simply needs to run the offense. He's the Packers starting QB, there is no further search or need to expend additional resources.
The Packers have seen Love for 3 years, they've watched him run the scout team vs the Packers # 1 defense for 2 seasons. You and many Packers fans aren't convinced because you don't have the info - but the Packers do.
Jordan Love is going to be just fine. He'll have some ups and downs like all young QBs, but the talent and brains are there. He is the future at QB in Titletown
Mark it down.
@pkr_north posted:I wish mlf was as optimistic as fans were...
He is. But he can't do that in public
MLFs job is to make life easier on Jordan Love.
HC heaping massive expectations on him doesn't help that effort.
As far as the fans, its an exciting new chapter. Few things cooler than watching a young QB come into his own in the NFL and we've got a front row seat for it
@pkr_north posted:I wish mlf was as optimistic as fans were...I am kind of disappointed in the lack of 'better watch out for 10' - or 'you'll see'...nothing...i don't know about mlf...he's too...too...nice...
I think it's obvious why he's taking the low key approach and trying to temper the enthusiasm. Love is under enough pressure without MLF making some comment that labels Love and gets repeated over and over if Love starts out struggling.
"we've got a front row seat for it"
For the third time...
@Satori posted:Love doesn't have to be as good as a 4X HOF QB with 2 decades of experience in order to win football games. He simply needs to run the offense. He's the Packers starting QB, there is no further search or need to expend additional resources.
This offense is likely better off with a game manager type QB that can occasionally make the big play rather than one that overrides the offense with his own ideas. There's a lot to be said for moving the sticks on 3rd and 3 as opposed to the hero ball.
@YATittle posted:"we've got a front row seat for it"
For the third time...
In 30 years. Bares are 30 for 30
We should all be looking forward to finally seeing MLF's offense for the first time.
@Satori posted:The reason I disagreed with your post is because one of the foundational tenets of the Shanahan-MLF offense is that you don't need a difference-maker franchise QB in order to be successful with it. Both Goff and JimmyG are limited QBs, but both took their teams to the SB in large part because of the scheme they were running
So when your post starts out ignoring the foundational tenets of the offense- how are we as readers supposed to give it any credibility ?
conversely, how can a reader give any credibility to the claims one of the main tenets of the offense is it doesn’t need a difference-making QB when those very teams show they don’t believe it?
The Rams spent the #1 pick on Goff. They got to theSuperBowl and lost because Goff couldn’t make a single play. They then traded Goff, two firsts and a 3rd for a guy who could in Matthew Stafford and won it.
The 49ers also had just been to the Super Bowl and lost. Did they continue to roll with Jimmy G? They were sitting with him and the #12 pick two years ago. What did they do? They traded three first-round picks and a third to move up to #3 to take the third QB in the draft, trying to get a difference maker.
Green Bay even traded up to get their heir, the difference being they were already a contender WITH a difference-making QB.