@Fandame posted:Love made some throws, and this was one, that made me say, "This guy might be okay." When he just rips it, he does pretty well. When he thinks about it, like the long pass to Doubs to start, he lofts it and allows the DB to get back. The missed pass to Musgrave was just a bit off, but I like that he didn't throw it a mile high.
If he was playing in Denver he would have 
One thing I've really liked about Love this year is that he doesn't immediately run when things break down. Young athletic QBs tend to rely on their athleticism to get first downs early in their career and while great in the short term, it stunts their development as a passer. Seen it way too many times. And Love seems to be pushing his development as a passer rather than running 10 times a game because he can't stand in the pocket and go through his progressions when things get messy.
We have to look at Love in context. His OL is below average and his top 5 pass catchers are rookies or sophomores. A lot of young QBs that show early success have something they can rely on to bail them out - a top 5 WR, stout OL, top level running game, or premier pass catching RB. Love has none of those. I'd be shocked if this offense had a single player that you could argue as even an alternate to the pro bowl this year.
We still need to make it through the season but I'd say Love has earned the starting job in 2024. Part of it being that I don't see an easy upgrade out there unless they can get May or Williams, but he's also played reasonably well for his situation. Not guaranteed he's a franchise QB but I've seen enough in 10 games to roll the dice for another season.
Love can run, but Love is not a runner by nature.
His mobility is similar to a young #12...good enough to get out of trouble, and on occasion pick you up 15-20. Really, that is optimal for a QB in the modern NFL....no the old Kaepernick model.
Love's improvement came against the #29 and #24 worst ranked defenses in total yards. Chargers are the worst in the NFL in pass yards allowed.
If he has another decent game vs DET, the 9th ranked team in yards allowed and 13th ranked in pass yards allowed, I'll be more convinced of his progression.
I’m not prepared to say he’s earned the job for 2024. He’s looked better as of late, but who you play matters. The Chargers are flat out terrible on pass D.
Don’t have positive vibes at all about tomorrow’s game. Detroit matches up very well against GB.
Regardless of the defenses he's faced recently, the ball is coming out quicker the past 3-4 games. He has been more decisive.
@Chongo posted:His mobility is similar to a young #12...good enough to get out of trouble, and on occasion pick you up 15-20. Really, that is optimal for a QB in the modern NFL....no the old Kaepernick model.
Until this year I would have agreed with you completely. This year I have come to really appreciate smart runners like Mahomes and Russ Wilson. The defense does everything right only for the QB to run for a first down and slide. No big hit at the end of the run. Hoping Jordan can add that to his game.
@Goalline posted:Until this year I would have agreed with you completely. This year I have come to really appreciate smart runners like Mahomes and Russ Wilson. The defense does everything right only for the QB to run for a first down and slide. No big hit at the end of the run. Hoping Jordan can add that to his game.
Umm that is what I said...12, in his prime, was a lot like Mahomes and Wilson. Run when mostly safe. Bert was the same way...although that dumb shit took way too many unnecessary hits.
Hurts took the leap to All Pro QB once he figured that out.
@Chongo posted:Umm that is what I said...12, in his prime, was a lot like Mahomes and Wilson. Run when mostly safe. Bert was the same way...although that dumb shit took way too many unnecessary hits.
Hurts took the leap to All Pro QB once he figured that out.
I like listening to myself 😊
@CUPackFan posted:One thing I've really liked about Love this year is that he doesn't immediately run when things break down. Young athletic QBs tend to rely on their athleticism to get first downs early in their career and while great in the short term, it stunts their development as a passer. Seen it way too many times. And Love seems to be pushing his development as a passer rather than running 10 times a game because he can't stand in the pocket and go through his progressions when things get messy.
We have to look at Love in context. His OL is below average and his top 5 pass catchers are rookies or sophomores. A lot of young QBs that show early success have something they can rely on to bail them out - a top 5 WR, stout OL, top level running game, or premier pass catching RB. Love has none of those. I'd be shocked if this offense had a single player that you could argue as even an alternate to the pro bowl this year.
We still need to make it through the season but I'd say Love has earned the starting job in 2024. Part of it being that I don't see an easy upgrade out there unless they can get May or Williams, but he's also played reasonably well for his situation. Not guaranteed he's a franchise QB but I've seen enough in 10 games to roll the dice for another season.
Since Daniel Jones became the starter in NY, I've read probably hundreds of comments saying the Giants need to design running plays for him and run him far more than they already did. Not only is it counterproductive in terms of putting your qb at serious risk, but he also failed to develop his game at the position itself.
Rodgers had wheels in his day, but he was selective about taking off downfield. I think Love is similar, which is probably the safer bet. Unless you're Lamar Jackson, you probably shouldn't be taking such a risk if you hope to have a solid career in the NFL. And even Jackson is always banged up in some way due to his style of play.
I’d actually like to see Jordan Love running a bit more. He’s a good athlete and it’s another aspect that a defense would have to account for.
As for his recent progression, it’s encouraging for sure, but if you remove the Bears and Rams and Chargers games he’s been a below average QB. The accuracy issues are still a concern whether it’s the deep ball or throwing to guys cutting across the field.
To be clear, I want the guy to succeed because I’d rather they not have to spend more (high) draft capital on a replacement. That being said, these next several games are going to be telling because the competition is better and in theory the stakes are going to be higher.
If he is under pressure, and a rushing lane opens up, he should take advantage of it. Hopefully, it will be an angle to the edge/sideline; if it's in the middle of the field, slide or 'give himself up' to avoid contact.
Wear out their D line and LBs by making them chase him down.
This goes double if there are enough yards open to get 1st downs and sustain drives.
Our best defense is an efficient offense.
@SteveLuke posted:I am getting very close to the point of throwing my lot behind Jordan Love as the QB in 2024 (and I know that means there will be some sort of contractual commitment to him beyond 2024).
He is developing a real rapport with Reed, Wicks, and Musgrave, even without much of a contribution from the running game.
I am not convinced Love is a QB who can take GB to a Super Bowl, but he has shown sufficient progress to merit another year unless he takes a step backward over the final 7 games.
Furthermore, the team has significant needs elsewhere, so going back to the well on another QB in 2024 would not be vey prudent.
No Aaron Jones, no Musgrave, no Wicks no problem for Jordan.
For those who think we don't live in a simulation, this is nuts:
aaron rodgers had 2,599 passing yards and 21 total touchdowns through his first 11 games as the starter
jordan love has 2,599 passing yards and 21 total touchdowns through his first 11 games as the starter
More like Bart Starr numbers. 
Love has shown quite a bit of improvement over the past few weeks. I’m impressed.
Made a bunch of throws again today that corrected my posture. Missed a couple layups but hit all the other touch passes he was struggling with this year. Biggest question now is can he be consistent.
@DH13 posted:For those who think we don't live in a simulation, this is nuts:
aaron rodgers had 2,599 passing yards and 21 total touchdowns through his first 11 games as the starter
jordan love has 2,599 passing yards and 21 total touchdowns through his first 11 games as the starter
Record through first 11 games, both 5-6.
Love 10 INTs, Rodgers 9 INTs.
Kinda crazy how similar it is.
@vitaflo posted:Record through first 11 games, both 5-6.
Love 10 INTs, Rodgers 9 INTs.
Kinda crazy how similar it is.
Love 19 TDs, Rodgers 17 TDs through first season as starters.
The similarities to Rodgers numbers are amazing, but I bet Rodgers had a significantly better pass completion.
Rodgers was just so freakishly accurate and Love is so freakishly NOT.😅
@PackerRick posted:Love 19 TDs, Rodgers 17 TDs through first season as starters.
That portends baby! It was on my word a day calendar. Hope I got it right.
Watson wasn't supposed to be there.
Jordan Love: “We actually messed that play up … I’m not even sure how the ball got in there.” https://t.co/QtAgz5gIGY
— Matt Schneidman (@mattschneidman) November 23, 2023
@Goalline posted:The similarities to Rodgers numbers are amazing, but I bet Rodgers had a significantly better pass completion.
Rodgers was just so freakishly accurate and Love is so freakishly NOT.😅
Rodgers finished the season that season at 63.6 and Love is currently at 60.5. Loves last 6 games 64%.
@PackerRick posted:Rodgers finished the season that season at 63.6 and Love is currently at 60.5.
That’s a pretty significant difference. Love’s %age has been way better the last 2 weeks. Perhaps he will get there.
@H5 posted:
Watson wasn't supposed to be there.
Jordan Love: “We actually messed that play up … I’m not even sure how the ball got in there.” https://t.co/QtAgz5gIGY
— Matt Schneidman (@mattschneidman) November 23, 2023
Sick!
@Goalline posted:That’s a pretty significant difference. Love’s %age has been way better the last 2 weeks. Perhaps he will get there.
I just added that Love has been 64% the last 6 games. Keep in mind they had different supporting casts. A big difference for Love has been his receivers are coming on strong. I think next season we'll really see exceptional results from the receivers. Even Kraft could come on and maybe pass up Musgrave, he looks more fluid to me.
@Goalline posted:Sick!
64% last 6 games is the correct number.
What I want to know is if Love saw Watson there and threw it anyway or if he didn't see him before he released the ball. Do ya think MLF will add it to the playbook? 
@Goalline posted:The similarities to Rodgers numbers are amazing, but I bet Rodgers had a significantly better pass completion.
Rodgers was just so freakishly accurate and Love is so freakishly NOT.😅
Through first 11 starts:
Love:
Comp %: 60.4
Rating: 87.4
Sacks: 22
Fumbles: 6
Rushing Yds: 221
Rodgers:
Comp %: 63.5
Rating: 90.5
Sacks: 23
Fumbles: 8
Rushing Yds: 162
Wicks and Reed and Musgrave have been fantastic additions this year.
Had Aaron Jones been healthy all season that completion % likely would be higher.
Wow, never seen that before.!
Love has played pretty well the last 4 games. If he has a bad game, I hope people don’t start turning on him. He’s relatively young and inexperienced so that should be expected. I’ve seen enough of him this year to believe he can be a franchise QB for us.
@Benzene posted:Love has played pretty well the last 4 games. If he has a bad game, I hope people don’t start turning on him. He’s relatively young and inexperienced so that should be expected. I’ve seen enough of him this year to believe he can be a franchise QB for us.
On this board? Are you serious?? It's "What have you done for me lately?"
@PackLandVA posted:On this board? Are you serious?? "It's what have you done for me lately?"
Love has been very up and down the past few days. He did really well on Thanksgiving finally hitting some guys in stride but seemed to disappear on Sunday. Not a single highlight.
