@BrainDed posted:

I think we will see a lot of turnover at WR.   After paying Love, they Packers will need to take advantage of their ability to identify WR talent and just perpetually stay young at that position.

If the offense truly stays balanced, we may not have an "elite" WR emerge that will command top 5 or even top 10 money.  It won't prevent someone with undeniable talent and ability from putting what he needs on tape to attract big offers but this offense right now doesn't look like it will have the typical top 1 or top 2 guys that get all the stats like we've seen in the league since the 80's.

Sounds like wishful thinking but I don't think what we saw last season was a fluke.

@DH13 posted:

If the offense truly stays balanced, we may not have an "elite" WR emerge that will command top 5 or even top 10 money.  It won't prevent someone with undeniable talent and ability from putting what he needs on tape to attract big offers but this offense right now doesn't look like it will have the typical top 1 or top 2 guys that get all the stats like we've seen in the league since the 80's.

Sounds like wishful thinking but I don't think what we saw last season was a fluke.

Spreading it around is what MLF wants. When Rodgers spread it around in MLF's offense, it helped GB win games. Love did that last year. It also helps that right now the WRs and Love have more of a "team" orientation than a "me" orientation. If that changes, then everything goes to heck.

Relax.. https://t.co/tEJDh15Z3V

— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) July 11, 2024

I've probably watched this video like 50 times now, and Jordan Love is starting to look like Rodgers, that 2nd throw has the same motion, same kind of zip off the hand. by god hes done it. https://t.co/yCIA4xmEw7

— Forman 🦌🧀🍺 (@414Forman) July 12, 2024

There's a night-and-day difference between Love and Fields. Love's footwork, body position, and moves are so much smoother, quicker, and more natural than Fields'. Good to see Love putting in the extra time!

@Fandame posted:

There's a night-and-day difference between Love and Fields. Love's footwork, body position, and moves are so much smoother, quicker, and more natural than Fields'. Good to see Love putting in the extra time!

Without a doubt.  Not just the slowness of Fields but his footwork is really sloppy.  I'd love to see a comparison of Love vs a real QB in this situation as a comparison.

@vitaflo posted:

Without a doubt.  Not just the slowness of Fields but his footwork is really sloppy.  I'd love to see a comparison of Love vs a real QB in this situation as a comparison.

Good point. Let's see a tape of Rodgers or Brady or Mahomes doing this drill to compare to Love.

Fields is an athlete. Love is a quarterback.

When you watch Love highlights on your phone and blur your eyes a bit you wouldn't know it's not a young AR.  He's an athletic QB.

His last hurdle is crunch time in the playoffs.

Don't know if this was posted somewhere else but while it is a Viking guy, he does a decent and quite optimistic breakdown of how Love, Hafley and the D are looking heading into the 2024 season.

from Eli Berkovitz via twitter

"Only 16 QBs have ever thrown for 32+ TDs, 4100+ yards, and 11 or fewer INTs in an NFL season.

Jordan Love is the only one to do it before his 3rd year as a starter.

Love’s predecessor, Aaron Rodgers, reached those benchmark numbers six times. The first time he reached them was in 2011, his fourth year as a starter and the year and he won his first NFL MVP Award. "

That stat is impressive. Green Bays' quarterback school is alive and well. It's also important to remember it took Love half the season to learn how to hit his catchers in stride. Those numbers could be higher this season.

@vitaflo posted:

Without a doubt.  Not just the slowness of Fields but his footwork is really sloppy.  I'd love to see a comparison of Love vs a real QB in this situation as a comparison.

So, Clifford?

Fascinating take on how Love already is climbing the charts in Packer history (yardage, TDs, etc.)

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/...at-love-could-be-709

INSANE: Only 16 quarterbacks have ever thrown for 32+ touchdowns, 4100+ yards, and 11 or fewer interceptions in a season.#PACKERS QB JORDAN LOVE IS THE ONLY QB EVER TO DO IT BEFORE HIS 3RD YEAR AS A STARTER, & IT WAS ONLY HIS FIRST SEASON STARTING.

😱😱😱

(h/t @BookOfEli_NFL) pic.twitter.com/Mq5oXNwRfx

— MLFootball (@_MLFootball) July 15, 2024

@Chongo posted:

INSANE: Only 16 quarterbacks have ever thrown for 32+ touchdowns, 4100+ yards, and 11 or fewer interceptions in a season.#PACKERS QB JORDAN LOVE IS THE ONLY QB EVER TO DO IT BEFORE HIS 3RD YEAR AS A STARTER, & IT WAS ONLY HIS FIRST SEASON STARTING.

😱😱😱

(h/t @BookOfEli_NFL) pic.twitter.com/Mq5oXNwRfx

— MLFootball (@_MLFootball) July 15, 2024

He was the 2023 NFL MVP, IMO.

I would not go quite that far, but he was awesome down the stretch. Now, if he starts off like he did the last 8 games, or so, from last year and then even gets better as the season goes on, Katy bar the door. Now were talking MVP if that occurs.

I hope Love was getting some serious MVP consideration. If he wasn't, he damn sure should have been.

I don't know if he had a legitimate shot at overcoming the politics of Mahomes, primarily, and possibly a few others, but none of 'em were playing any better, including Mahomes.

What really hurt his chances was the losses to the Giants (not his fault but he pays the price) and Bucs (pretty much the same). Had the Packers won those 2, it wouldn't have meant he was a lock, but I think it would've increased his chances considerably.

@YATittle posted:

Fascinating take on how Love already is climbing the charts in Packer history (yardage, TDs, etc.)

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/...at-love-could-be-709

First thought is it's crazy he's already top 10 in some categories but aside from Favre and Rodgers the "modern" era of QB's in GB is mostly those two and a bunch of scrubs except for Dickey and a couple years of Magik. The 2023 season can easily triple the stats for QB's that played in the early days.

@PackerHawk posted:

First thought is it's crazy he's already top 10 in some categories but aside from Favre and Rodgers the "modern" era of QB's in GB is mostly those two and a bunch of scrubs except for Dickey and a couple years of Magik. The 2023 season can easily triple the stats for QB's that played in the early days.

The Packers have played for 103 seasons.  In 54 of those seasons, their starting QB (or at least the QB that attempted the most passes for them), was or will be a Hall of Fame inductee. Arnie Herber (9 seasons as the starter), Starr (14), Favre (16), and Rodgers (15). That ratio (52%) of the seasons has to be an NFL record. If you count Isbell (1938-1943) as well (see below), it rises to 58 of 103.

The ratio (HOF QBs getting starts) gets even higher in the playoffs. The Packers have played 63 playoff games in their history. 56 of those games have been started by QBs who are either in the Hall of Fame or will be.

Brett Favre - 22

Aaron Rodgers - 21

Bart Starr - 10

Arnie Herber - 3

It's very easy to argue that the real number is 58 because Cecil Isbell was a surefire Hall of Famer who started their playoff games in the 1940s. He was better than Herber, but only played 5 years in the NFL.  He was on the HOF all-decade team for the 1930s and made the Pro Bowl 4 of the 5 years he played and was All-Pro the last two years he played, but he retired at age 27 to take a coaching job.

So, only 5 playoff games in their history were started by guys that weren't clear top 5 QBs (if not top 3) that year in the NFL. Lynn Dickey started two of them and he'd have been a superstar if he would have played today. Dickey had a decent career, but it was mainly short circuited by injuries that wouldn't happen today with how they protect QBs.

The other three playoff QB starters were Irv Comp (1944), Scott Hunter (1972), and Jordan Love.

@Timmy! posted:

I hope Love was getting some serious MVP consideration. If he wasn't, he damn sure should have been.

I don't know if he had a legitimate shot at overcoming the politics of Mahomes, primarily, and possibly a few others, but none of 'em were playing any better, including Mahomes.

What really hurt his chances was the losses to the Giants (not his fault but he pays the price) and Bucs (pretty much the same). Had the Packers won those 2, it wouldn't have meant he was a lock, but I think it would've increased his chances considerably.

I really like where Love is potentially headed, but he's not Mahomes. That's not a dig on Love, but Mahomes may end up as the best QB of all time (and he's probably already a lock for top 5 if he retired tomorrow). In terms of ability and not just team success due to good situations (which elevates guys like Brady) , he's one of the top 5-10 NFL players ever regardless of position (in terms of who I've seen play he's up there with Jerry Rice, Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White, Tom Brady, Barry Sanders, Walter Payton, Deion Sanders, Randy Moss, Joe Montana, Payton Manning, and Charles Woodson (not meant to be an all-inclusive list).

The one thing that bothered me most about Jordan Love is that even after he played lights out for three months, the Packers season ended when he threw a pass on first down with plenty of time and timeouts left completely across the field and across his body to a guy that was triple covered. It was like he morphed into late GB career Favre. It was one of the worst decisions I've ever seen a GB QB make (right up there with several of Favre's decisions). Maybe Love will never do that again, but I want to see him prove that that was a one-off before I consider him an MVP caliber guy.

Michigan,  That was a bad mistake that Love made on that INT in SF and I would bet he has been learning from that all off season.  Yes it was a terrible decision but I truly believe that it was just a  case of a young QB rushing things and made a really bad mistake in that situation.  Sure, it was very Bert like play but don't think Love will be like #4 and I think he showed that once he got things going last year. 

Do I think Love can be in the MVP discussion? perhaps at some point but all I want at this point is for him not to have a sophomore slump and continue to develop.   

@MichiganPacker2 posted:

I really like where Love is potentially headed, but he's not Mahomes. That's not a dig on Love, but Mahomes may end up as the best QB of all time (and he's probably already a lock for top 5 if he retired tomorrow). In terms of ability and not just team success due to good situations (which elevates guys like Brady) , he's one of the top 5-10 NFL players ever regardless of position (in terms of who I've seen play he's up there with Jerry Rice, Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White, Tom Brady, Barry Sanders, Walter Payton, Deion Sanders, Randy Moss, Joe Montana, Payton Manning, and Charles Woodson (not meant to be an all-inclusive list).

The one thing that bothered me most about Jordan Love is that even after he played lights out for three months, the Packers season ended when he threw a pass on first down with plenty of time and timeouts left completely across the field and across his body to a guy that was triple covered. It was like he morphed into late GB career Favre. It was one of the worst decisions I've ever seen a GB QB make (right up there with several of Favre's decisions). Maybe Love will never do that again, but I want to see him prove that that was a one-off before I consider him an MVP caliber guy.

This is a really good point that is rarely discussed. Hopefully it was an isolated bad decision from a young guy in his first season as a starter and doesn't develop into a pattern of a guy who plays lights out at times but comes up small in some of the bigger games.

@MichiganPacker2 posted:

The one thing that bothered me most about Jordan Love is that even after he played lights out for three months, the Packers season ended when he threw a pass on first down with plenty of time and timeouts left completely across the field and across his body to a guy that was triple covered. It was like he morphed into late GB career Favre. It was one of the worst decisions I've ever seen a GB QB make (right up there with several of Favre's decisions). Maybe Love will never do that again, but I want to see him prove that that was a one-off before I consider him an MVP caliber guy.

That's a fair point on that terrible brain-fart, but I am pretty sure that we can go through every QB-MVP season and find similar gaffes. Mahomes does it too, its just that some of his INTs are dropped and he makes so many other plays, fans are willing to overlook it. Brady went to one of his Super Bowls because a CB dropped an easy INT in AFCCG, but it was still a terrible throw and decision.

Love had another game, I think it was vs the Raiders?  where he threw a hero ball  and it ended the game with an INT. 1st year starter's make mistakes and we hope he learns from them. But he's not alone and as I said above, I am certain we can find similar bad throws from seasoned vets, even non-Favre MVPs

Love will be in the 2024 MVP conversation , his current MVP odds have him with 5th best odds, tied with Lamar Jackson & Jalen Hurts.

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/mvp/

Not uncommon for 1st-year players/starters to take a step back in year 2.  I would think most don't, so I hope that's not the case.  But it's far from a "sure thing" that the 2nd half of last season with automatically be the full season Love in 2024.

@MichiganPacker2 posted:

The one thing that bothered me most about Jordan Love is that even after he played lights out for three months, the Packers season ended when he threw a pass on first down with plenty of time and timeouts left completely across the field and across his body to a guy that was triple covered.

Looking back at every play from 2023  that is likely the single biggest moment/opportunity to learn from.

That was a young guy on a huge stage gaf.

Clements comments to love: Learn and grow grasshopper you will be overpowering in the future.

@Timmy! posted:

I hope Love was getting some serious MVP consideration. If he wasn't, he damn sure should have been.

I don't know if he had a legitimate shot at overcoming the politics of Mahomes, primarily, and possibly a few others, but none of 'em were playing any better, including Mahomes.

What really hurt his chances was the losses to the Giants (not his fault but he pays the price) and Bucs (pretty much the same). Had the Packers won those 2, it wouldn't have meant he was a lock, but I think it would've increased his chances considerably.

Mahomes wasn't the 2023 MVP though, Lamar Jackson won the MVP, and he was nothing special.

Love got no love from the voters:

https://x.com/RobMaaddi/status/1755799959281250808

@MichiganPacker2 posted:

The one thing that bothered me most about Jordan Love is that even after he played lights out for three months, the Packers season ended when he threw a pass on first down with plenty of time and timeouts left completely across the field and across his body to a guy that was triple covered.

It bothered everyone. How do you think MLF is teaching him? Do you think he won't learn from it?? If he does the hillbilly dumb fuck routine of Favre, then sure.

1 is an oopsie...2 is a trend. First year starter in a gigantic divisional playoff game in which his FG kicker was a joke. He was trying to make a play but you have to recognize game situation and live to fight another down.

Love has a thought for you......

Jordan Love predicts this Packers receiver will have a 'monster year'

Here's an article from Packers Wire, talking about Love's passing when he's on the move and out of the pocket. Definitely a learning oppty and Jordan is putting in the work this offseason to get better at it. Next comes decision-making in crunch time - as MichiganPacker2 mentioned earlier

https://packerswire.usatoday.c...-run-this-offseason/

"According to Pro Football Focus, Love ranked fifth in the NFL in passer rating when throwing the ball in under 2.5 seconds — generally the time it takes to deliver a pass within the structure of a designed passing play. When he held the ball past 2.5 seconds, his passer rating dropped by over 10 points and his turnover worthy play percentage was almost four times higher."

Love said he worked on getting his shoulders square and finishing throws when he’s moving to both his left and right.

“One thing I’ve been working on a lot this offseason is throwing on the run,” Love said  “I think that’s a big part of my game. Being able to extend plays when plays go off schedule, whether you’re going left or going right, being able to get your shoulders down to the target and being able to finish throws. I think that’s a huge part of my game last season and something I’m really looking to build on this year.”

@Dr._Bob posted:

Time to pass around the hat with another stock sale to pay for Love's new contract?

Here's the update from the Packers year-end financials.
Apparently, the Rainy Day Reserves are green & gold

"The rainy day fund for the Green Bay Packers went over a half billion dollars during the last fiscal year.

The team released their annual financial report on Tuesday.
The team now holds $536 million in the corporate reserve fund. "

They could afford to pay you for all the excellent posts you do.

@Satori posted:

Here's the update from the Packers year-end financials.
Apparently, the Rainy Day Reserves are green & gold

"The rainy day fund for the Green Bay Packers went over a half billion dollars during the last fiscal year.

The team released their annual financial report on Tuesday.
The team now holds $536 million in the corporate reserve fund. "

How soon before the league pressures them to build a dome over Lambeau?

Jordan Love declines contract question ahead of training camp https://t.co/T2VnGEGm3J

— Packers TOLS (@PackersTols) July 17, 2024

Love the fact Love isn't talking contract. Let the folks paid to worry about business handle the business side. Smert

A dome over Lambeau is probably next if the NFL Draft is a success in Green Bay. They'll need it to host a Super Bowl at Lambeau

@Satori posted:

Here's the update from the Packers year-end financials.
Apparently, the Rainy Day Reserves are green & gold

"The rainy day fund for the Green Bay Packers went over a half billion dollars during the last fiscal year.

The team released their annual financial report on Tuesday.
The team now holds $536 million in the corporate reserve fund. "

The Harvard of the NFL

@Boris posted:

A dome over Lambeau is probably next if the NFL Draft is a success in Green Bay. They'll need it to host a Super Bowl at Lambeau

They better make it retractable.  We don't want no stinkin dome when the Suckqueens and Lidowns come to Green Bay in December!!!!

I look for Lambeau to be replaced in the next 10-20 year period.
I don't know what the life expectancy is for an outdoor stadium exposed to extreme weather, but the core of the stadium is roughly 67 years old, and that seems very old.
I assume when renovations are made, there may be some engineering changes, so the entire stadium isn't exactly that old. Since the last renovation was just last year, I'm guessing they want to get another 10-15-20 years of service before replacement may be considered. By then, it will be over 75 years old.

Whether it's a domed facility will largely depend on the development of Titletown, IMO. If there is a need for year-round use, it can't be ruled out.

I'm sure Brown County would prefer that if they fund a new stadium with some taxpayer dollars.

@D J posted:

How soon before the league pressures them to build a dome over Lambeau?

Only wimpy teams and wimpy fans need a dome or a covered stadium, for football. GBP and their fans thrive in the weather Lambeau provides at game time. It's what sets GBP apart from all those other teams and their fans. There is no reason a Super Bowl cannot be played at Lambeau, now. Again, too many wimpy out of towners would get the tickets to the Owl and would be whining about the cold. IMO, they should get the full Lambeau experience and have to sit through the weather conditions, like real football fans do. GO PACK, GO!!!