McCarthy NOT Extended...(Dead Man Walking?)

packerboi posted:

The Packers and Matt LaFleur start their new season on Monday. 

The best thing he can do is send a clear message of the past is the past, we're moving forward now. 

New HC.

New Assistants. 

New offense. 

New ideas. 

New mindset. 

Repeat that shit over and again. It's a new beginning at 1265. That's where all the energy and focus needs to be. 

I'm sorry, but Lafleur can make happiness, butterflies, and sunshine come out of every single other person in the organisation's asses and it won't matter a dusty **** if 12 decides he doesn't like him. We all may as well light a candle and say a prayer. 12 doesn't even know if he likes him at this point and if that doesn't concern everyone, it should. Our favorite football team is in a bad place until it isn't and the most important guy in the organization might be bat shit crazy. There's a lot to be sorted out.

Has Liev schreiber ever been inside an  applebees?

Pakrz posted:

Boris posted:

Hindsight being 20/20 - wish he would've coached out the season.

Pack wouldve been 4-11-1 & drafting 3rd overall.

Excellent point.  GB even ****ed that part of it up.  

All BS aside, MM should have been gone several years ago as most of you know.  It was obvious that AR was carrying the team and covering up holes elsewhere. 

That said, the MFer that still needs to go is Murphy.  He's horrible.  

100%.  It all rolls down from the top.  Murphy should have canned TT for for canning MM for not canning Capers in 2013 or Slocum before the Sea debacle.   Add in the fact that the GM running your organization is a shell of his former self from about 2 or 3 past years and it's just plain neglect due to complacency.  

21 days before the draft....slow season - WTF can I write to get everybody's tongues wagging?

Hey look! Quotes from Gerg, Finley & Jordan Rodgers!! Yay! Clicks!

What is this???? The ****ing Kardashians?!!?!?!

NFL loves it...

EC Pack posted:

If he really was changing the plays that much, why didn't MM pull or bench him?

Oh that's right, same reason he didn't bench Brett at halftime of the Giants Championship game. 

"If that wasn't Brett Favre, I'd bench his a$$", now just insert Aaron Rodgers name there.

Maybe Pittsburgh Macho wasn't so macho after all. 

You're the coach, take charge.

Because giving AR authority to do whatever was the offense.   Change the play, no one open so scramble for 7 seconds, rely on chemistry with Nelson and Cobb is all we had for the last couple years.  In 2018 it was change the play and hope Adams can beat a double team while scrambling for 5 seconds, 2 seconds less due to losses on o-line.

Pakrz posted:

Whether exaggerated of not, you know a large portion of what's being reported is true.  

MM is going to have a difficult time landing a HC gig in the future.  It's bad enough when your entire tenure in GB consisted of HOF quarterback play and you only won 1 SB... but when there's information out there that you, as the HC, had a "low football IQ", well, that's gonna be tough to get past. 

IMO, a very telling sign and quite frankly, a damning endorsement, was when Cleveland basically looked right past MM in their coaching search.  They know exactly what he is.  Most Packer fans know it now... some knew it a long f'ing time ago. 

...and some said he would land a job the next day.   Those same folks applauded AJ Hawk getting extended multiple times and the Brad Jones contract.     

I thought it was a fair, well rounded article. Dunne covered the Packers from 2011-15. A number of the beat writers would return emails during that time, but he was not afraid to give you info that no one would print (he told me that there was a major divide within the organization about whether to draft Lacy or not). He is in the perfect spot to write this article. He has many connections from his time here & he does not fear getting "black balled" by the Packers since he doesn't need them anymore. 

Boris posted:

21 days before the draft....slow season - WTF can I write to get everybody's tongues wagging?

Hey look! Quotes from Gerg, Finley & Jordan Rodgers!! Yay! Clicks!

What is this???? The ****ing Kardashians?!!?!?!

NFL loves it...

With "Former Packer Divas" and GD's "The Real Housewives of Lombardi Avenue" who needs "Hard Knocks"? 

It won't be long and we could possibly add "Rodgers Neighborhood Implodes". 

The NFL will beat a path to GB to find out how to replicate it on other NFL teams and make people pay to see the episodes. 

Timpranillo posted:

Also I'm beginning to shift my thinking more and more than if I'd point to 1 person that is most responsible for this, it's Thompson. 

This comment right here is exactly what I have always thought and that much of this lies with ROTT. I think with ROTT's health, his lack of addressig the defense, the philosophy of just thinking you can draft and develop, his drafts became severely sub standard, and not stepping in and doing something (no way he didn't know) about disfunction.  That ultimately is what doomed this team these last couple of years.     

This is why I am so excited with Gute because he seems like a no nonsense guy that will come in hopefully right the ship again.  Will he ultimately be sucessful? time will tell but at least it looks like he is a strong leader who is not afraid to make decisions right or wrong at least he is doing something. 

titmfatied posted:

I'm sorry, but Lafleur can make happiness, butterflies, and sunshine come out of every single other person in the organisation's asses and it won't matter a dusty **** if 12 decides he doesn't like him. We all may as well light a candle and say a prayer. 12 doesn't even know if he likes him at this point and if that doesn't concern everyone, it should. Our favorite football team is in a bad place until it isn't and the most important guy in the organization might be bat shit crazy. There's a lot to be sorted out.

This narrative that Rodgers is difficult or a diva is insane to me. There's ZERO evidence that supports that conclusion. Just because he's estranged from his asshole brothers, moron Greg Jennings (and his sister), doofus Jeff Janis and idiot Jermichael Finley is actually evidence that he's normal person and smart for distancing himself from bad people. It's not enough that non-asshole individuals like Jordy Nelson, James Jones, David Bakhtiari, John Kuhn, Josh Sitton, TJ Lang, and many others praise him and his leadership? Rodgers and MM have been very candid that yes there are frustrations, but they've been working together for 12 years and it's normal to have conflict at times. It's only been since the team has had losing seasons that we're hearing things aren't going well, nobody called Rodgers a diva or questioned MM's scheme when Rodgers was winning MVPs and a championship. I've been critical of Rodgers playing style, but the reality is that he's always been extremely professional, he's insanely competitive, he's a HOF passer, and we're lucky to have him. The risk of Rodgers rejecting MF is absolutely zero. He's going to be dominant in this scheme because we've seen this scheme work extremely well with lesser QBs like Jimmy Garapolo, Nick Mullens, Jared Goff, and Matt Ryan. 

"This is why I am so excited with Gute because he seems like a no nonsense guy that will come in hopefully right the ship again."

I'm not so sure. I think that Gute may be great as the Packers GM, but I doubt he can right the ship on his own. I think that the plot will thicken if GB drafts a QB, shuffles the back up QBs to make Boyle the #2 or talks of trading Rodgers start to circulate at 1265.  We will also see how Rodgers works under LaFleur. The X4 posters who said much of the blame for the Packers' lackluster season(s) was on Rodgers' shoulders were spot on. He made MM look bad often while MM got the blame for plays Rodgers changed on the LOS. Make no mistake, MM deserved to be called on it, but Rodgers serves a share of the blame, as the Dunne article says. In any case, I feel Rodgers has been put on notice, whether he knows it or not.

There are no circumstances in which AR could be traded this year or next.  It would crater the cap.  There is about an equal chance that Boyle would be named #2.

DH13 posted:

The part about MM being the "dimmest" HC...doesn't jibe with what he was able to do with a malcontent Favre and getting that 07 team within OT of a SB.  Or what he did in 14 minus the last 180 seconds.  The 2011 team was overflowing with talent but he got that 2010 team, with what 18 on IR, to the final podium.  I don't think it's fair and probably not even accurate to revise MM's history pre-2015.  Everything that happened afterwards is pretty clear to everyone no matter what anyone says in the press.

I think there were almost three MM/AR eras. The first era was really the ascension to the pinnacle where they were the best team in the league (2008-2011). That really ended when Joe Philbin's son died right before that Giants playoff game. These guys are human beings and that, more than anything, contributed to the loss. The game plans were fresh and the talent was off the charts - especially on offense. MM was at the top of his game. 

The second era was the 2012-2014 when they still had a lot of talent. They weren't the prohibitive favorite, but they just needed a few more breaks (or a coach that made the difference). The league had started to catch up to them, but AR was playing at an astronomical level. They "wasted" these 3 years because Dom Capers couldn't stop Kaepernik twice in the playoffs and about 5 things happened in the Seattle playoff game that were a result of questionable decisions that MM made. 

The last 4 years (2015-18) were the decline. MM's schemes had been basically memorized by the league and he failed to adapt, key major or nagging injuries reduced the effectiveness of some of their key guys (Jordy Nelson, CM3, Cobb, and AR himself) and TT's decline contributed to a lack of young talent to replace them. AR could still pull a rabbit out of hat at times, but I don't remember watching a game during this time thinking this was the best team in football. The playoff run where they got beat by the Falcons was a bit of a fluke as I never once felt they were going to win the Super Bowl that year. 

Just this morning I’ve seen Tramon Williams, Davante Adams, Casey Hayward and even Brandon Bostick pan this article in one way or another. Crazy how none of them were approached to provide a quote or a perspective. Tramon has been in GB a long time, he’s seen a lot!

mrtundra posted:

"This is why I am so excited with Gute because he seems like a no nonsense guy that will come in hopefully right the ship again."

I'm not so sure. I think that Gute may be great as the Packers GM, but I doubt he can right the ship on his own. I think that the plot will thicken if GB drafts a QB, shuffles the back up QBs to make Boyle the #2 or talks of trading Rodgers start to circulate at 1265.  We will also see how Rodgers works under LaFleur. The X4 posters who said much of the blame for the Packers' lackluster season(s) was on Rodgers' shoulders were spot on. He made MM look bad often while MM got the blame for plays Rodgers changed on the LOS. Make no mistake, MM deserved to be called on it, but Rodgers serves a share of the blame, as the Dunne article says. In any case, I feel Rodgers has been put on notice, whether he knows it or not.

 

 

I agree that he can't do it all on his own.  The reason I say that is that IMHO it takes the perfect storm to win.  You need a the right GM, the right coach, and the right talent all coming together at exactly the right time.  I do agree that behind the scenes AR has been put on notice and I would bet good money that he is very excited about the change in the team and I think we will see AR back to being AR this fall. 

I don't think there is a scnerio right now that I could see AR being traded.  The cap implecations are huge and there isn't a guy waiting in line to take the job.  

Chongo posted:

Jebus...if there was ever a pair more in need of pigment...

And an orthodontist. Murphy's like a photo negative of Strahan

While poor TT's mind is riding off into the sunset...

Murphy: "What, me worry?"

Yikes.

It things were to ever go south with Rodgers the way they did with Favre, I dont believe Rodgers would ever come back and have a night like FAvre did. And if the Packers trade him and he still feels like he is great, it would get uglier than it did wiht Favre and that was pretty damn ugly. 

I think MP2's breakdown is pretty accurate.  Though I lean more toward the talent diminishing (attrition, age, injury, low draft order) than the scheme first being fresh and effective, then stale and predictable.  MM has always said his offense is one based on matchups.  In 09-2011 and again in 2014 he had the talent both in quality and quantity to win most matchups.  When he no longer did, the O was less and less successful.  

MM's O is at its best when it has the talent to win matchups.  If ZimZam fails to get the yikes deep in the playoffs, MM could probably do well with that roster.  Cousins is no AR but he could probably win with him.

I am really curious to see if Mac lands another NFL head coaching gig.

The schism with Rodgers is one thing, but the front office guys taking shots at Mac has to give any GM pause.

You don’t give a player a contract like AR got and even consider trading him. He’s a HOF player with some good years left. 

That said, he needs to check himself and understand his role in the organization. He does come across at times as an entitled, arrogant prick and I can see where that rubs people wrong. I also don’t brush off the divorce he’s had with his family as simply thinking his family is the problem, not him. Arod is a great player, but I think he has some work to do with his personality. 

Pakrz posted:

You don’t give a player a contract like AR got and even consider trading him. He’s a HOF player with some good years left. 

That said, he needs to check himself and understand his role in the organization. He does come across at times as an entitled, arrogant prick and I can see where that rubs people wrong. I also don’t brush off the divorce he’s had with his family as simply thinking his family is the problem, not him. Arod is a great player, but I think he has some work to do with his personality. 

I agree.  The family thing causes me to think the criticism of Rodgers is likely valid.  Sort of like, "Where there's smoke, there's fire."  Evidence of these problems comes from multiple sources making it more likely.

However, I wonder how much of Rodger's negative attitude, should it be true, is over being beside himself as years roll by and the product is just not there for winning the SB.

The wholesale dump should have taken place at five years ago or more.  I am sure Rodgers knows this.

Grave Digger posted:

Just this morning I’ve seen Tramon Williams, Davante Adams, Casey Hayward and even Brandon Bostick pan this article in one way or another. Crazy how none of them were approached to provide a quote or a perspective. Tramon has been in GB a long time, he’s seen a lot!

Out of all of those, Hayward's carries the biggest weight in my eyes.  He has rarely talked about the Packers since he left, and has has a legitimate reason for being salty with GB for being snubbed (even more than Jennings does).  He's also a perennial pro-bowler who doesn't need to stick his neck out in other teams' business.  The fact that he said anything to me speaks volumes.

I don't think Heyward really feels snubbed anymore.  His career has only improved since he left.  He may also enjoy LA more than GB.

We both know that’s impossible.

DH13 posted:

There are no circumstances in which AR could be traded this year or next.  It would crater the cap.  There is about an equal chance that Boyle would be named #2.

Mayo is the new McStupidface, people need to just move on

SteveLuke posted:

I am really curious to see if Mac lands another NFL head coaching gig.

The schism with Rodgers is one thing, but the front office guys taking shots at Mac has to give any GM pause.

You mean the guy all the experts insisted would get another job about 2 minutes after he became available?

Oh, hey, I wonder if there’s a particular national outlet that is looking to garner clicks off the Packers soap opera (Great job with the logo btw @BleacherReport) pic.twitter.com/GLSvD1gSRc

— Aaron Nagler (@AaronNagler) April 5, 2019

The question I have is, what happens going forward if AR and ML don't get along?It seems that Murphy has drawn some sort of line by allegedly not asking AR for head coach input.  I certainly hope he will be closely monitoring this relationship. If the same problems start to occur, what the hell does the organization do?

DH13 posted:

I don't think Heyward really feels snubbed anymore.  His career has only improved since he left.  He may also enjoy LA more than GB.

Oh I think he does. I think I remember him being kind of salty either around the time he got his last contract or when Randall got traded. One of those times he spouted off about being told by GB he was a Nickel CB only. Seemed like it was a chip he still carried. 

bvan posted:

Ladies love his digit manipulations?

That'd be one hell of a shocker...

I see what you did there.

titmfatied posted:

I'm sorry, but Lafleur can make happiness, butterflies, and sunshine come out of every single other person in the organisation's asses and it won't matter a dusty **** if 12 decides he doesn't like him. We all may as well light a candle and say a prayer. 12 doesn't even know if he likes him at this point and if that doesn't concern everyone, it should. Our favorite football team is in a bad place until it isn't and the most important guy in the organization might be bat shit crazy. There's a lot to be sorted out.

I really don't get why people are hand wringing over how AR is going to react to MLF or what his psyche may or may not be going into this season. 

If you think about it, he got EXACTLY what he wanted:

1.) Ted is out. And Gutey is in. More importantly, it's a GM that is actually active in FA and so active, they spent a ton of money in FA and signed 3 guys who will be starters in 2019 and another in Turner who gives them at least depth in the OL if not a starter. This is the "all in" stuff AR has openly said he's wanted since the end of the NFCC in 2016

2.) MM is out. MLF is in. Rodgers has cited more then once wanting a forward thinking offense like McVay in the Rams or Kyle Shanahan style or to do what the Saints have done. So, Green Bay hires a disciple from the McVay mold and now he's got a HC who should deploy the kind of offense he's been begging for. An more balanced attack, an offense that will scheme guys open, and a bright young mind who seems very forward thinking compared to the stale offensive plan that MM refused to change and couldn't get out of the 2010 time machine.

3.) Frank Cignetti is out. Getsy is in. It's a coach AR respects, likes, and a coach AR will more then likely listen to. A far cry from Cignetti who reportedly AR didn't like and tuned out.

And oh, yes, that's right he's the highest paid player in the NFL who will make north of 180 million.

Maybe MLF sucks and this whole thing blows up in Murphy's face. But as of right now? I can't see any reason why AR shouldn't be anything short of giddy from all the changes that he's wanted are now coming true  

Blair Kiel posted:

I see what you did there.

link?

Grave Digger posted:

This narrative that Rodgers is difficult or a diva is insane to me. There's ZERO evidence that supports that conclusion. Just because he's estranged from his asshole brothers, mother...

FTFY. 

When you can't even give your own mother the chance to redeem herself, it doesn't say very much about you as a person.

I know that for the sake of a story media folks will try real hard to connect dots into whatever pattern will serve their own interest best. It actually was AR's brother, mother, and father that are at issue. From what I'm reading the family issue really doesn't seem to have a connection with being a diva.  It sounds to me like his complaints might be legit, but I think it also is good evidence that AR can hold a grudge forever, no matter who's involved. Here's the link from an earlier interview with Olivia Munn talking about the family problem just after her an AR were an item.

https://people.com/sports/oliv...rodgers-family-rift/

Goalline posted:

Grave Digger posted:

This narrative that Rodgers is difficult or a diva is insane to me. There's ZERO evidence that supports that conclusion. Just because he's estranged from his asshole brothers, mother...

FTFY. 

When you can't even give your own mother the chance to redeem herself, it doesn't say very much about you as a person.

I don't think he's estranged from his parents anymore. Also we don't know anything about the situation, just what his sniveling douche of a brother Jordan has said. To draw conclusions about a man's personality from almost zero credible information is not fair. 

Are you saying his brother is a viking fan?