pduck posted:

This guy also:

- mentions the Packers don't do a good job retaining their own.

- says they need CB help because they are likely to lose Hayward.

- says they need OLB help because Peppers is getting old - doesn't mention what they have or the young FA's (Neal & Perry) they could retain.

- mentions they need OL help specifically at G and OT.



I think this guy got some of these right.

I think if history tells us anything:

1. Thompson doesn't have patterns. He lives and dies by the board. If the board offers what he needs then he takes it, if it doesn't then he trades. If the best player available is an ILB then he will take him. 

2. Draft "gurus" outside of the big boys like Mayock are generally wrong...especially this far from the draft. We haven't finished the Senior Bowl, so I doubt the Packers board is close to finished. 

I never thought he was a stiff in the 43. I thought he had his best seasons in that role. The defense overall was suspect, especially in 2008, but he was actually one of the solid players on that D. He's a perfect example of how not all LBs are created equal...just because you're 6'2"/240 like Hawk doesn't mean you make a good ILB in a 34. Some guys are better suited for certain schemes, Hawk was brutally out of place.

Hawk was brutal.

At the end.  

He was a solid player at first and probably doesn't get the credit he deserves (at least from me) for being a good player for awhile.  It was just that he was so bad (and so damn bad) at the end, it overshadows much of his accomplishments.  He should not have been on the field.  

Hawk is a huge reason why I ignore measurables at the combine for ILBs.  Take a look at the two sets of stats below from pro day/combines.  

Size:                  6' 1" 248 lbs      6' 3" 242 lbs

40 yd dash:      4.59                    4.58

10 yd split:       1.56                    1.63

20 yd shuttle:  3.96                     4.12

3 cone:             6.82                     6.92

Broadjump:     9' 7"                   10' 3" 

Vert:                  40 in                   38.1 in

Bench:              24 reps                27 reps

First is Hawk, second is Luke Kuechly.  Yeah, measurables on an ILB mean ****.  Instincts are everything at that position.  

How important are instincts? Denzel Perryman, who I thought had the best instincts in the draft, missed 3 games this year and still would have led all Packers ILBs in Tackles and Sacks. That's not to say I'm criticising TT for not getting Perryman, but he just can't seem to find a guy who knows how to play ILB. Get a LB who knows how to play LB.

CUPackFan posted:

Hawk is a huge reason why I ignore measurables at the combine for ILBs.  Take a look at the two sets of stats below from pro day/combines.  

(SNIP)

 

First is Hawk, second is Luke Kuechly.  Yeah, measurables on an ILB mean ****.  Instincts are everything at that position.  

Neat trick.  Now pick 2 ILBers projected in the 2nd round of the upcoming draft & tell us which one will be merely adequate & which one will be a stud.

FinnLander posted:
CUPackFan posted:

Hawk is a huge reason why I ignore measurables at the combine for ILBs.  Take a look at the two sets of stats below from pro day/combines.  

(SNIP)

 

First is Hawk, second is Luke Kuechly.  Yeah, measurables on an ILB mean ****.  Instincts are everything at that position.  

Neat trick.  Now pick 2 ILBers projected in the 2nd round of the upcoming draft & tell us which one will be merely adequate & which one will be a stud.

Antonio Morrisson and Joe Schobert will be studs. Scooby Wright will be a dud. Mark it down.

I call this the one-name special:

 

27: R1P27
ILB REGGIE RAGLAND ALABAMA
 
57: R2P26
OT JASON SPRIGGS INDIANA
 
88: R3P25
TE AUSTIN HOOPER STANFORD
 
122: R4P27
DT HASSAN RIDGEWAY TEXAS
 
151: R5P24
OLB JOE SCHOBERT WISCONSIN
 
182: R6P25
CB ERIC MURRAY MINNESOTA
 
216: R7P27
G PARKER EHINGER CINCINNATI
PackerJoe posted:

Hawk showed outstanding athletic ability at Ohio State and when he first came to Green Bay.  The groin injury he had in 2008 seemed to be a big blow to his career...he never ran the same after that.

His backpedalling speed increased as he got older

Pikes Peak posted:
PackerJoe posted:

Hawk showed outstanding athletic ability at Ohio State and when he first came to Green Bay.  The groin injury he had in 2008 seemed to be a big blow to his career...he never ran the same after that.

His backpedalling speed increased as he got older

Only when tackling at the first down marker.

Rusty posted:

I call this the one-name special:

 

27: R1P27
ILB REGGIE RAGLAND ALABAMA
 
57: R2P26
OT JASON SPRIGGS INDIANA
 
88: R3P25
TE AUSTIN HOOPER STANFORD
 
122: R4P27
DT HASSAN RIDGEWAY TEXAS
 
151: R5P24
OLB JOE SCHOBERT WISCONSIN
 
182: R6P25
CB ERIC MURRAY MINNESOTA
 
216: R7P27
G PARKER EHINGER CINCINNATI

I need a towel now.

Tyler Ervin is a younger James Starks. One cut, not much wiggle, upright runner, solid speed.

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