Marquise Brown crying because he now has a QB with less accuracy than his college QB.
Savage was 3rd rated S by NFL.com
Ran a 4.36 40
5’11 200lbs
Hes Nick Collins
Floridarob posted:Gute is doing his damndest to fix the defense.
Maybe he thinks defense will have to lead the way as offense adapts to new system.
NumberThree posted:Yea, well, okay, I'm done watching the draft for the year. Apparently getting a young coach doesn't mean you're getting McVay's clone. Shocker.
Give a failing Seattle team that can't do anything two extra picks. Good move.
Hole shit, you uncover the mystery to winning Super Bowls on an annual basis. Stockpile 4th round draft picks! In future drafts, just trade away all of our picks for 4th rounders and we’ll be Super Bowl bound every year! FU Gutey. Listen to Number Three!
There's some damn good players left:
Sweat, Taylor, Metcalf, Greedy, AJ Brown, Ford, Risner, Tillery, McCoy, Deebo Samuel, Byron Murphy, Irv Smith, McGary, Ya-Sin...
Shiiiiit... trade back up into R1 and get Taylor.
FFS.
This is round 1. There are still plenty of picks to be made and OL does NOT have to be top round talent. OL depth is about scouting and finding the guys that work for you and few others found.
Schmidt your pants over OL not being part of round 1 if you like, I'll take speed and athleticism in the D backfield any day!
RochNyFan posted:Floridarob posted:Gute is doing his damndest to fix the defense.
Maybe he thinks defense will have to lead the way as offense adapts to new system.
Maybe he thinks the offense will get more opportunities when the D makes stops.
I don't know about you, but I would rather have the D be scary and know 12 is on the other side regardless than the years of 'oh my **** don't give it up!'.
C'mon MAN!
Cavetoad posted:FFS.
This is round 1. There are still plenty of picks to be made and OL does NOT have to be top round talent. OL depth is about scouting and finding the guys that work for you and few others found.
Schmidt your pants over OL not being part of round 1 if you like, I'll take speed and athleticism in the D backfield any day!
Ironically it’s the R1 pick on our OL that people can’t wait to replace.
As far as the grades people are giving Green Bay, they got graded a "B" by most of these "experts" in 2015. How'd that work out?
I'm a bit shocked that Jawaan Taylor is dropping like this.
It isn't just the OL, it is no offensive adds. Give AR Marquise Brown, that would have been something.
So, answer me this, guys, as one who doesn't know much about Cole Madison. He stays at guard, yes?
We seriously need a tackle, then, because if Bryan Bulaga is the right tackle to start the season, my head will explode. Both picks tomorrow have to be on the offensive side of the ball, no? A tight end would be nice. Do something for Rodgers.
Prepare your head for explosion. Bulaga will be the starting RT until he gets hurts. The FA guy will play RG and then fill in at RT to replace Bulaga at some point. The draft is still young and GB can find a suitable T later in the draft.
Where was Bak drafted? R4?
I like both our picks so long as Gary's shoulder issue isn't a long term problem. I just want Rodgers to be healthy for all of 2019. I think Madison is a big add; he's motivated as hell.
He was a tackle in college and can probably play either but many thought he was a better fit at OG in the pros.
Lang, Bakhtiari, Sitton and Linsley were all 4th/5th round picks. Clifton was 2nd, Tauscher was 6th. If you look at recent history, Packers have fared better when they drafted OL late rather than early.
Bulaga will start if healthy. There is no way a rookie in a new system is going to play RT while 12 is under center. His issue is solely availability. When he's healthy, he's a very good player.
THEY ARE ALL SO YOUNG....and sometimes I hate the “showmanship” of them, they’re babies.....and they either make it or they don’t, but they do get the cash.
Brak posted:Bulaga will start if healthy. There is no way a rookie in a new system is going to play RT while 12 is under center. His issue is solely availability. When he's healthy, he's a very good player.
When he's healthy being the operative words. It's fine to go into the season with him as the starter, but they'd better have a damned strong contingency plan in place.
Mike Pettine has made it clear this is going to be a more athletic defensive unit in 2019. The first thing I've heard/read in every discussion of Rashan Gary is that he's an athletic freak. Darnell Savage-speedy, fluid, natural athlete. Oren Burks, fast and athletic, should see significant playing time assuming the shoulder is healthy. More explosiveness, more closing speed. I'm going to reserve judgment until I see the pieces in place in actual game situations. I know a lot of us are worried about the Gary pick, but considering what Pettine did last year with a depleted unit, I'm eager to see what he can do with some more athletes on the field. You can't teach speed.
If the Packers can get Greg Little with the 44th pick I'd feel comfortable with OL group going into the season. I don't think he would be ready to slide into a starting spot right away if Bulaga goes down, but he should be capable of starting at RT in 2020 or back up at LT if needed.
Pretty sure he was one of the OL'men that the Pack brought in for a visit.
excalibur posted:It isn't just the OL, it is no offensive adds. Give AR Marquise Brown, that would have been something.
With the pile of receivers and RBs last year, would it make sense to add more early in the draft at this point? Several stepped up and had production that anyone would expect to improve during their second year.
What was the problem last year? Pass rush and DB coverage.
So yeah, the 1st day was addressing the D deficiencies.
I am good with that strategy. We now have a different coach who is O slanted... he probably has a good idea on how to use the best QB in the NFL. We've signed a meathead or 2 to block for him. We'll draft more. We probably will draft more guys that can catch the ball to add to the pile we already have on the roster. We probably will draft a guy or two who can carry the rock. We probably will draft a guy or two who can knock someone on their ass.
Is there a Donald Driver there or a KGB or a Mark Tauscher?
Who the **** knows. That's why I watch.
I am truly starting to enjoy the panic of the pleebs.
Seth WalderESPN Analytics
According to our approximate value above replacement projections for every draft slot, the package the Seahawks received (picks 30+114+118) is worth 71% more than the No. 21 pick they dealt to the Packers.
lambeausouth posted:... You can't teach speed.
Don Beebe disagrees.
Cavetoad posted:excalibur posted:It isn't just the OL, it is no offensive adds. Give AR Marquise Brown, that would have been something.
With the pile of receivers and RBs last year, would it make sense to add more early in the draft at this point? Several stepped up and had production that anyone would expect to improve during their second year.
What was the problem last year? Pass rush and DB coverage.
So yeah, the 1st day was addressing the D deficiencies.
I am good with that strategy. We now have a different coach who is O slanted... he probably has a good idea on how to use the best QB in the NFL. We've signed a meathead or 2 to block for him. We'll draft more. We probably will draft more guys that can catch the ball to add to the pile we already have on the roster. We probably will draft a guy or two who can carry the rock. We probably will draft a guy or two who can knock someone on their ass.
Is there a Donald Driver there or a KGB or a Mark Tauscher?
Who the **** knows. That's why I watch.
I am truly starting to enjoy the panic of the pleebs.
Where'd they spend the money in FA? Defense. Then they reach for a boom or bust at 12.
lambeausouth posted:Seth WalderESPN Analytics
According to our approximate value above replacement projections for every draft slot, the package the Seahawks received (picks 30+114+118) is worth 71% more than the No. 21 pick they dealt to the Packers.
excalibur posted:Cavetoad posted:excalibur posted:It isn't just the OL, it is no offensive adds. Give AR Marquise Brown, that would have been something.
With the pile of receivers and RBs last year, would it make sense to add more early in the draft at this point? Several stepped up and had production that anyone would expect to improve during their second year.
What was the problem last year? Pass rush and DB coverage.
So yeah, the 1st day was addressing the D deficiencies.
I am good with that strategy. We now have a different coach who is O slanted... he probably has a good idea on how to use the best QB in the NFL. We've signed a meathead or 2 to block for him. We'll draft more. We probably will draft more guys that can catch the ball to add to the pile we already have on the roster. We probably will draft a guy or two who can carry the rock. We probably will draft a guy or two who can knock someone on their ass.
Is there a Donald Driver there or a KGB or a Mark Tauscher?
Who the **** knows. That's why I watch.
I am truly starting to enjoy the panic of the pleebs.
Where'd they spend the money in FA? Defense. Then they reach for a boom or bust at 12.
Reading comprehension is a skill. I understand that fact.
I am sorry you have not achieved that skill. Your angst is duly noted and I appreciate the fact you use the screenshot I added to this forum for your avatar.
In a weird way, I consider it a compliment. Gebins to you and your further delusions. I am honored to have participated.
Cavetoad posted:lambeausouth posted:Seth WalderESPN Analytics
According to our approximate value above replacement projections for every draft slot, the package the Seahawks received (picks 30+114+118) is worth 71% more than the No. 21 pick they dealt to the Packers.
Just to be clear, Cavetoad, I'm not providing commentary as to the wisdom of the move, only documenting that for future discussion. If Gutey felt that Savage was his guy, and worth the 4s, I've got no issue with the move. Time will tell if this was worthwhile or not. I'm a hell of a lot happier relinquishing a pair of 4s and keeping our 2 and 3.
And TBH, I don't put a whole lot of faith in ESPN, or their analytics/metrics. I think QBR is the biggest pile of cow flop.
Cavetoad posted:excalibur posted:Cavetoad posted:excalibur posted:It isn't just the OL, it is no offensive adds. Give AR Marquise Brown, that would have been something.
With the pile of receivers and RBs last year, would it make sense to add more early in the draft at this point? Several stepped up and had production that anyone would expect to improve during their second year.
What was the problem last year? Pass rush and DB coverage.
So yeah, the 1st day was addressing the D deficiencies.
I am good with that strategy. We now have a different coach who is O slanted... he probably has a good idea on how to use the best QB in the NFL. We've signed a meathead or 2 to block for him. We'll draft more. We probably will draft more guys that can catch the ball to add to the pile we already have on the roster. We probably will draft a guy or two who can carry the rock. We probably will draft a guy or two who can knock someone on their ass.
Is there a Donald Driver there or a KGB or a Mark Tauscher?
Who the **** knows. That's why I watch.
I am truly starting to enjoy the panic of the pleebs.
Where'd they spend the money in FA? Defense. Then they reach for a boom or bust at 12.
Reading comprehension is a skill. I understand that fact.
I am sorry you have not achieved that skill. Your angst is duly noted and I appreciate the fact you use the screenshot I added to this forum for your avatar.
In a weird way, I consider it a compliment. Gebins to you and your further delusions. I am honored to have participated.
I understand, every draft is a good draft until it isn't. Nothing like going out on a limb there. No doubt though that if Gary is a bust you will claim you always hated the pick.
In a weird way I consider it a compliment that you find a fan not agreeing with all the selections both sad and funny at the same time.
What is it now, 8 years running drafting defense in the 1st round? How's it worked out so far?
lambeausouth posted:Cavetoad posted:lambeausouth posted:Seth WalderESPN Analytics
According to our approximate value above replacement projections for every draft slot, the package the Seahawks received (picks 30+114+118) is worth 71% more than the No. 21 pick they dealt to the Packers.
Just to be clear, Cavetoad, I'm not providing commentary as to the wisdom of the move, only documenting that for future discussion. If Gutey felt that Savage was his guy, and worth the 4s, I've got no issue with the move. Time will tell if this was worthwhile or not. I'm a hell of a lot happier relinquishing a pair of 4s and keeping our 2 and 3.
And TBH, I don't put a whole lot of faith in ESPN, or their analytics/metrics. I think QBR is the biggest pile of cow flop.
The quote implied that it was a foolish move. You had provided no context to the reason for the quote, so it was reasonable to presume you were aligned with that perspective.
For the future, you may want to consider not quoting sources that do not align with your opinion without context. Otherwise, it could be considered as trolling for the sake of trolling.
"If Gutey felt that Savage was his guy, and worth the 4s, I've got no issue with the move."
Works against the whole
"is worth 71% more than the No. 21 pick they dealt to the Packers."
The point?
It implies "I am butthurt and think I know better and something else should have been done to appease my knowledge."
So if you have no issue with the move, why even post the link in HUGE TEXT?
lambeausouth posted:Seth WalderESPN Analytics
According to our approximate value above replacement projections for every draft slot, the package the Seahawks received (picks 30+114+118) is worth 71% more than the No. 21 pick they dealt to the Packers.
Given one of those 4th round picks was from the HaHa CD trade, I'd say the Seahawks got fleeced.
excalibur posted:Cavetoad posted:excalibur posted:Cavetoad posted:excalibur posted:It isn't just the OL, it is no offensive adds. Give AR Marquise Brown, that would have been something.
With the pile of receivers and RBs last year, would it make sense to add more early in the draft at this point? Several stepped up and had production that anyone would expect to improve during their second year.
What was the problem last year? Pass rush and DB coverage.
So yeah, the 1st day was addressing the D deficiencies.
I am good with that strategy. We now have a different coach who is O slanted... he probably has a good idea on how to use the best QB in the NFL. We've signed a meathead or 2 to block for him. We'll draft more. We probably will draft more guys that can catch the ball to add to the pile we already have on the roster. We probably will draft a guy or two who can carry the rock. We probably will draft a guy or two who can knock someone on their ass.
Is there a Donald Driver there or a KGB or a Mark Tauscher?
Who the **** knows. That's why I watch.
I am truly starting to enjoy the panic of the pleebs.
Where'd they spend the money in FA? Defense. Then they reach for a boom or bust at 12.
Reading comprehension is a skill. I understand that fact.
I am sorry you have not achieved that skill. Your angst is duly noted and I appreciate the fact you use the screenshot I added to this forum for your avatar.
In a weird way, I consider it a compliment. Gebins to you and your further delusions. I am honored to have participated.
I understand, every draft is a good draft until it isn't. Nothing like going out on a limb there. No doubt though that if Gary is a bust you will claim you always hated the pick.
In a weird way I consider it a compliment that you find a fan not agreeing with all the selections both sad and funny at the same time.
What is it now, 8 years running drafting defense in the 1st round? How's it worked out so far?
Goldie posted:excalibur posted:
Damn......
and I always thought Gil Brandt was a Packer supporter...I know i’ve Missed something. But “good luck Packers”????
lambeausouth posted:Seth WalderESPN Analytics
According to our approximate value above replacement projections for every draft slot, the package the Seahawks received (picks 30+114+118) is worth 71% more than the No. 21 pick they dealt to the Packers.
According to the trade value charts Green Bay gave up 844 points for an 800-point pick.