Judging this draft thus far from the perspective of matching up vs divisional opponents, I think the Packers did what they needed to do on defense.
In spite of Cousins, Minnesota/Thielen/Diggs has had their way with our defense more often than not, and sometimes to the point of embarrassment. We've added speed to the rush and to the backfield to double our chances at keeping them contained.
In spite of Padford, we have to face him for a few more years, and he's had moderate success against us. They may not be as potent as the Vikes, but with the addition of Hockenson, we have to be able to defend the middle of field and the seams.
If Chitcago ever gets any weapons at WR, they could be dangerous on offense.
Trubisky is a limitation at this point, and I don't fear their passing attack, but it's better to stay on top of them while we can.
All 3 of these teams are stronger defensively, and it remains imperative to stabilize our OL to withstand their pass rush. I like the idea of drafting an OL (preferably a pure T) and a solid TE to neutralize the Kahlil Macks in our division AND the conference.
With both 4ths gone, there's now no help coming before the back half of day three at multiple positions. They have no depth at multiple spots, which is concerning because injuries happen. The defensive backfield is paper thin, for example.
Not saying that I want the same, but it would make a ton of sense..
i want more defense, simply because I believe Pettine is capable of creating a top 3 defense.
with that and an AR offense, look out....
Herschel posted:With both 4ths gone, there's now no help coming before the back half of day three at multiple positions. They have no depth at multiple spots, which is concerning because injuries happen. The defensive backfield is paper thin, for example.
I feel better about the oline with Madison and Turner in the fold but there better be a 2nd or 3rd round oline pick.
packerboi posted:EaganPackFan posted:safety was a glaring need.
It's FREE safety that was a glaring need and they just addressed it. They need a speedster who can cover the back end in a flash and this kid can fly.
Let's remember Pettine was dealing with Kentrel Brice, an underachieving HHCD, and nobody behind them.
Then had the likes of a useless Nick Perry and CMIII well past his prime.
This is a vastly different safety group and OLB corps. Like a 180 from what the Packers had in 2018
Pettine has to be pretty happy.
This.
Personnel has been upgraded. Do your magic Angry Bald Man.
I am surprised that OT Jawaan Taylor is still on the board. Houston bypassed Taylor with pick #23 to take Tytus Howard, OT Alabama State. Is there something wrong with Taylor that we have not heard before or was this a case of the team playing it's board? Whatever the case, I hope Gute goes OL with our pick at #44 and takes Risner, if he's there. If not Risner, Jawaan Taylor, Cody Ford, David Edwards, Yodny Cajuste and Greg Little are all OTs and are on the board as well as several others who could go later in the draft.
I heard injury concerns on Taylor plus doubts on pass protection.
GrainBelt66 posted:i want more defense, simply because I believe Pettine is capable of creating a top 3 defense.
with that and an AR offense, look out....
Fair and valid point.
If our new defense could indeed dominate it could totally change the way our offense functions. Maintaining favorable field position and balancing the rush/pass mix of plays can keep the opposition from teeing off with blitzes and pass rush pressure, as examples.
Henry posted:Herschel posted:With both 4ths gone, there's now no help coming before the back half of day three at multiple positions. They have no depth at multiple spots, which is concerning because injuries happen. The defensive backfield is paper thin, for example.
I feel better about the oline with Madison and Turner in the fold but there better be a 2nd or 3rd round oline pick.
And a running back at some point today or tomorrow.
And a Tight End.
Herschel posted:With both 4ths gone, there's now no help coming before the back half of day three at multiple positions. They have no depth at multiple spots, which is concerning because injuries happen. The defensive backfield is paper thin, for example.
We will have to see if Gute trades away any, or all, of our 6th Round picks or our 7th round pick to move up to grab someone, if that is even a consideration. At the end of the first round all of the CBs are still on the board and only two S are off the board( Johnathan Abram and Darnell Savage). Only three OTs were taken and only two OG/C were taken. Lots of players available at those positions, not to mention those at the WRs position, too.
Pistol GB posted:I heard injury concerns on Taylor plus doubts on pass protection.
That could explain it.
Cavetoad posted:lambeausouth posted:Cavetoad posted:lambeausouth posted:Seth WalderESPN Analytics
According to our approximate value above replacement projections for every draft slot, the package the Seahawks received (picks 30+114+118) is worth 71% more than the No. 21 pick they dealt to the Packers.
Just to be clear, Cavetoad, I'm not providing commentary as to the wisdom of the move, only documenting that for future discussion. If Gutey felt that Savage was his guy, and worth the 4s, I've got no issue with the move. Time will tell if this was worthwhile or not. I'm a hell of a lot happier relinquishing a pair of 4s and keeping our 2 and 3.
And TBH, I don't put a whole lot of faith in ESPN, or their analytics/metrics. I think QBR is the biggest pile of cow flop.
The quote implied that it was a foolish move. You had provided no context to the reason for the quote, so it was reasonable to presume you were aligned with that perspective.
For the future, you may want to consider not quoting sources that do not align with your opinion without context. Otherwise, it could be considered as trolling for the sake of trolling.
"If Gutey felt that Savage was his guy, and worth the 4s, I've got no issue with the move."
Works against the whole
"is worth 71% more than the No. 21 pick they dealt to the Packers."
The point?
It implies "I am butthurt and think I know better and something else should have been done to appease my knowledge."
So if you have no issue with the move, why even post the link in HUGE TEXT?
If I post something I see on social media, without providing my own comment, I'm inviting discussion, nothing more. I clearly stated my opinion in my follow up post. If you take issue with that, that's your prerogative.
And why the huge text? Because when I copied it and pasted it from ESPN, that's how Times Four parsed.
Taylor not a good fit for a ZBS offense.
If our new defense could indeed dominate it could totally change the way our offense functions. Maintaining favorable field position and balancing the rush/pass mix of plays can keep the opposition from teeing off with blitzes and pass rush pressure, as examples.
Running downhill from the 50 is easier.
Taylor is a RT only also. Houston needed a LT badly, Howard is a more nimble big man.
Timpranillo posted:And another year where they don’t do anything to meaningfully try to improve the unit that protects their $33M/year QB.
I don’t understand it.
I have a feeling the draft is not over yet. Addition of Billy Turner and Cole Madison are meaningful.........and..... OL pick coming up !!
Timmy! posted:GrainBelt66 posted:i want more defense, simply because I believe Pettine is capable of creating a top 3 defense.
with that and an AR offense, look out....
Fair and valid point.
If our new defense could indeed dominate it could totally change the way our offense functions. Maintaining favorable field position and balancing the rush/pass mix of plays can keep the opposition from teeing off with blitzes and pass rush pressure, as examples.
It would also change they way many fans here actually view this game we call football.
Sadly, I am old enough to remember when GB had a dominant D. I am not talking about the mid 90's..
I love great defensive football.
plenty of good players still available. I cant see how they ignore the offense anymore tho.
cody ford, Dalton Risner, Jawan Taylor, Deebo, Erik Mccoym Paris Cambell, Miles Sanders, Irv Smith Jr. Max Scharping,
I would expect GB to take a TE, WR (Slot), OL, LB and RB. There's lots of great prospects left in this draft... I mean, there's a schit-ton of them. We're gonna get a great player in R2 and probably R3.
Graphics dept with a nice shout out to the Nashville's music scene/history (it's a guitar pick!).
Like most, I think GB needs to take an OL this draft... but unless somebody like Jawaan Taylor or Risner is there in R2, I may just pass on them all until R5. You can find good fat guys in the mid-late rounds to play OL.
I'd like to see Deebo Samuel in R2 and Jace Sternberger in R3.
Will never happen, but DK Metcalf being there at 44 would be amazing.
List of top remaining guys that Packers may take at #44...
1. Jawaan Taylor, OT, Florida
2. Cody Ford, OT/OG, Oklahoma
3. Byron Murphy, CB, Washington
4. Greedy Williams, CB, LSU
5. Irv Smith, TE, Alabama
6. DK Metcalf, WR, Ole Miss
7. Miles Sanders, RB, Penn State
8. AJ Brown, WR, Ole Miss
9. Dalton Risner, OT, Kansas State
10. Paris Campbell, WR, Ohio State
11. Jace Sternberger, TE, Texas A&M
Going to be a great player on the board at 44. Wouldn't rule out Gute trading down a bit to get back a 4th. Unless of course someone like Risner, Taylor, or Metcalf is sitting there.
Irv Smith wouldn't be terrible either.
I didn't realize Sternberger was a R2 guy... I love his game and think he may end up being one of the best in this class.
Metcalf reminds me a lot of Gary. The physical talent is crazy but the production wasn't what you'd like to see. But man... Rodgers would turn him into a superstar with that speed and size.
So, I don't follow the draft like a lot of you.
Is there a ' Chuck Cecil' type of player in this draft?
Offense, or, defense doesn't matter to me. I just like the attitude a player like him brings to a team.
I think the Pack could use a little of that type of toughness.
New rules have eliminated all the "Chuck Cecil" types.
Chongo posted:List of top remaining guys that Packers may take at #44...
1. Jawaan Taylor, OT, Florida
2. Cody Ford, OT/OG, Oklahoma
3. Byron Murphy, CB, Washington
4. Greedy Williams, CB, LSU
5. Irv Smith, TE, Alabama
6. DK Metcalf, WR, Ole Miss
7. Miles Sanders, RB, Penn State
8. AJ Brown, WR, Ole Miss
9. Dalton Risner, OT, Kansas State
10. Paris Campbell, WR, Ohio State
11. Jace Sternberger, TE, Texas A&M
So you're saying the only way we'd miss out on every one of them is if we picked 12th?
Agreed. Chuck Cecil's impact would have been minimized in today's NFL. Without being able to use his helmet as a weapon, he would have had been closer to a marginal player as he couldn't "intimidate" anybody without getting penalites, suspensions, fines, etc. thrown at him. He was a good player for his era though, maybe could have been a backup type player nowadays, but probably not starter on a championship caliber team.
GrainBelt66 posted:So, I don't follow the draft like a lot of you.
Is there a ' Chuck Cecil' type of player in this draft?
Offense, or, defense doesn't matter to me. I just like the attitude a player like him brings to a team.
I think the Pack could use a little of that type of toughness.
Jonathan Abram is an intimidator on the back end, Oakland nabbed him at the end of R1. If you're looking for just a mean player regardless of position, Dalton Risner is a junkyard dog on the OL. He buries defenders on seemingly every play, doesn't stop blocking until the whistle.
In the second and third rounds I’m expecting O-lineman, WR or TE but who knows. I would think it’s time to address the offense.
Pakrz posted:I didn't realize Sternberger was a R2 guy... I love his game and think he may end up being one of the best in this class.
Metcalf reminds me a lot of Gary. The physical talent is crazy but the production wasn't what you'd like to see. But man... Rodgers would turn him into a superstar with that speed and size.
Would rather have Sternberger than Smith, if for nothing else his height. Smith seems to me is more of a big WR than a MLF TE.
They paid a lot of money for Billy Turner...he may be their preferred Bulaga replacement...ergo, OT may not be the pick at 44.
@GD. Totally agree on Risner. Just a nasty dislike for defensive players. He wants to put everyone on their back.
Greg Gabriel, Draft Expert,and long time Bears Scout shows his knowledge !!
Dipshit !! Wonder why he's a "former" scout
Lottsa good O talent available in R2.
JAWAAN TAYLOR, OT
CODY FORD, G
DREW LOCK, QB
D.K. METCALF, WR
AJ BROWN, WR
GREG LITTLE, OT
DALTON RISNER, G
IRV SMITH, TE
HAKEEM BUTLER, WR
DEEBO SAMUEL, WR
JACE STERNBERGER, TE
JJ ARCEGA-WHITESIDE, WR
You don't want Arcega-Whiteside...watched a lot of Stanford ball...don't think his stats will translate to the NFL. Not real explosive. I'd rather spend the pick on Isabella...Chrbet 2.0 gots wheels...
So one of them will be available.
I've read Taylor is not a good fit for ZBS offense.
I will be really interested in where they go at 44 if comparable OL/WR are both available. If they don't pick a WR or TE before RD4 it shows BG's philosophy on how to build the roster differs from TT's. Granted the context has changed but there was a run in the late 00's where we were picking and nailing it on WR's before RD4 on a regular basis. He added 3 guys last year but after RD3.