Official 2020 Draft Thread

Could be Morgan's agent doing his job?

PFF's draft guide has him rated as a 7th rounder. I think he'll get drafted sooner than that, but I wouldn't take someone to be a  backup before the 5th round, unless your starter is on shaky ground. I don't see that with Aaron.

What team above the Packers in the draft might take Mims? 

The Viqueens

Minny picks Jefferson as their WR 1 call I think w pick 22 then goes w the LSU safety at 25. 2 LSU guys. 

Henry posted:

Packers "very interested" in James Morgan

But a return to health led to a standout week at the East-West Shrine Game, and the momentum has built from there. Teams like Morgan’s size and arm talent, and are impressed with his intellect, leadership and mental preparation. One scout who spent time with Morgan at the combine describes him as, “very smart.” Another adds: “We all liked him that week.”

So he's moving up the charts but how far?  Are we talking 2nd rounder considering how teams generally reach for QBs?    He's no Jordan Love with all the shitty decision making while looking great in hot pants but what would you think if they picked him up in the 3rd?  Too high?  Too frivilous? 

If we want to get a top tier WR, ILB or IDL we will not find any of those positions/ top tier players past the third round. I doubt the Packers pick a QB at #30. I'm guessing either ILB or WR at #30 and the one they did not pick, of those two, in the second round. Once we get into the third round, the choices for OT are dwindling, too.

Herscher1 posted:

What team above the Packers in the draft might take Mims? 

I think the vikings will look at Mims. They have two first round picks and one will go for a defensive guy and the other for Diggs' real replacement. I hope Mims is there for the Packers. I'd hate to see Mims's career hit the skids with Cousins as his QB.

I hope Packers move up for Jefferson. The guy reminds me so much of James Lofton. 

There are too many promising receivers to move up for one,I think.

Agreed.  While a top flight receiver would be great you already have Adams.  They don't need a superstar, they need a Jordy or Gerg or even James Jones.  

I'd love Mims but I'd love a stud RT, DT or ILB more.

Satori posted:

Henry posted:

Packers "very interested" in James Morgan

 what would you think if they picked him up in the 3rd?  Too high?  Too frivilous? 

Too frivolous to spend a 3rd on a non-contributor. He's probably not beating out Boyle and GB is unlikely to keep 3 QBs on the 53 -  so you'd lose him at cutdown time.

Gute is going for it...and 3 yr QB projects aren't part of that plan in terms of investing high picks. Tim Boyle is very likely QB2 for 2020 and that's not a bad thing in my view.

I don't think Gute "is going for it" to that extent.  If he were he would have found a way to bring in top ILB or a better RT to replace Bulaga by trading draft picks, pushing salary out, etc.  But he went bargain buying in UFA and it's not because he couldn't find money if he had to.  I think he is still trying to balance now and future rosters.  Not so much about drafting a QB but more about his current MO.

McGinns scouts comments on Mims

Denzel Mims, Baylor (6-3, 207): A three-year starter with 28 touchdowns. “I would have thought no way in the world just watching him on tape and now he’s top 50,” one scout said. “He’s a big guy and ran fast. You see he’s got savvy, hands, good route runner. Kind of a limited route tree at Baylor. Just kind of a catch-and-get-tackled guy. You didn’t see the deep speed.” Had a big week at the Senior Bowl, especially in the red zone, and then ran 4.38 seconds in the 40. His arms measured 33 7/8 inches. “He has strength and hands but I don’t think he’s anything special,” another scout said. “In the Big 12 Championship Game, Parnell Motley (of Oklahoma) totally shut him down and he’s a late-round pick. He’s a guy that makes the possession catches.”

DH13 posted:

Packers weren't tall and slow enough.

The got a little taller and less slow because Funchess replaces Geronimo.

(I'm going to miss Geronimo's twitter posts. Perhaps the best that there has ever been! 

Wat two females wanna fuck me at da SAME DAM TIME tomarrow nite be for I leave for college.

— Geronimo Allison (@813MrFreakShow)

Floridarob posted:

I hope Packers move up for Jefferson. The guy reminds me so much of James Lofton. 

I'm hoping the Packers move down from pick 30. They may be able to get an early 2nd and 3rd. 

Will be lots of good players available.

Pittman wouldn't be a bad addition, either.

Early money is on Spielman.

Mims almost sounds too good to be true. A perfect WR specimen who is available at 30? When does that happen? 30 is a weird slot and, IMO, the best shot is to catch an elite player who is dropping. Mims almost reminds me of a Kevin King in some ways, just absolutely brilliant H/W/S, but in reality there is a reason he’s not getting gobbled up early. King was a good player at UW also, I don’t think it was just the injury that knocked him down though.

In the end though, if there’s a player who even laymen like us can see will be a good pro, NFL teams definitely see it as well. It’s why 30 ends up being a weird spot. Every player you LOVE will probably be gone by 30. If I had to guess where we will see a quality player drop, it’s probably OT. There’s no Joe Thomas in this class, no OT deserves a top 20 selection while there are definitely >20 players at other positions that do deserve it. Bama OT Jedrick Willis is a guy I could see tumbling, he’s not a Day 1 Elite LT, but I think he will be a Day 1 starter and a good pro. 

I will gladly take O or D line beef with our 1st pick.  I have no idea who that would be but I'm all for big bodies early if they fit the bill.

Tdog posted:

I will gladly take O or D line beef with our 1st pick.  I have no idea who that would be but I'm all for big bodies early if they fit the bill.

I've seen some  mocks with Neville Gallimore DT, Oklahoma, Raekwon Davis, DT, Alabama and Javon Kinlaw, DT, South Carolina falling to #30. I've also seen Josh Jones, OT, Houston, and Austin Jackson, OT, USC falling to #30 , as well.

If Javon Kinlaw is there at 30 that’s a no brainer. That dude is going to be a force in the NFL. 

Just did this mock on Draft Network. Tua fell to the Packers(!) at 30, so I went with it to see how others fell. Whaddya think?:

1- Tua Tagavailoa, QB Bama

2-Austin Mack, OT USC

3- Troy Dye, ILB Oregon

4-Devin Duvernay, WR Texas

5-Tyler Clark, IDL Georgia

6-Lavert Hill, CB Michigan

6-Dalton Keene, TE Virginia Tech

6-Tanner Muse, Safety Clemson

7- KJ Osborn, WR Miami

7- Chris Orr, LB Wisconsin

 This scenario reminds me of the 2005 draft when ARod fell to the Packers. The vikings, that year, had two first round picks, ahead of the Packers, and passed on ARod with both. Same holds true here, with the vikings passing on Tua and then watching him fall to the Packers. It's Deja vu, all over again!

Just did one and Justin Herbert was there at 30. HAD to take him.

30 Justin Herbert , QB Oregon

62 Cole Kmet, TE Notre Dame 

94 Chase Claypool, WR Notre Dame

136 Devin Duvernay, WR Texas

175 Michael Divinity Jr., EDGE LSU

192 Justin Herron, OT Wake Forest

208 Trevon Hill, EDGE Miami

209 Dane Jackson, CB Pittsburgh

236 Robert Landers, IDL Ohio State

242 Dezmon Patmon, WR Washington State

For those wanted Packers to trade down, here is an example of what pick 30 would garner...

Let's say the Chargers want to move up into that spot, and Packers want their 2nd rounder...adding up all the equivalent values, Packers would get Chargers 2nd, 4th and 6th. 

Packers best bet is if someone really wants to grab Jordan Love before Indy drafts him like Detoilet or Carolina.

But then yes you get more picks, but you add to a crap ton of lower level picks...at this point do the Packers really need to add a 4th and a 6th rounder?

The most gifted physical QB, the top TE in the draft and what some consider the top big slot in the draft (Claypool) plus one of the fastest guys in the draft in Duvernay...if that scenario happened every Packer fan should do cartwheels.

Chongo posted:

For those wanted Packers to trade down, here is an example of what pick 30 would garner...

Let's say the Chargers want to move up into that spot, and Packers want their 2nd rounder...adding up all the equivalent values, Packers would get Chargers 2nd, 4th and 6th. 

Packers best bet is if someone really wants to grab Jordan Love before Indy drafts him like Detoilet or Carolina.

But then yes you get more picks, but you add to a crap ton of lower level picks...at this point do the Packers really need to add a 4th and a 6th rounder?

If you get the guy you want in the 2nd, yes.

Timpranillo posted:

Just did one and Justin Herbert was there at 30. HAD to take him.

30 Justin Herbert , QB Oregon

 

I just threw up in my mouth a little, but yeah, if he made it to 30. 

Watch, we'll get something like this:

Herschel posted:

Timpranillo posted:

Just did one and Justin Herbert was there at 30. HAD to take him.

30 Justin Herbert , QB Oregon

 

I just threw up in my mouth a little, but yeah, if he made it to 30. 

 

Watch, we'll get something like this:

That draft would make me barf...😄

Packmeister posted:

Herschel posted:

Timpranillo posted:

Just did one and Justin Herbert was there at 30. HAD to take him.

30 Justin Herbert , QB Oregon

 

I just threw up in my mouth a little, but yeah, if he made it to 30. 

 

Watch, we'll get something like this:

That draft would make me barf...😄

I would be.....okay with it. Blacklock and Wilson fill a long-term need, arguably Johnson does as well with as much Nickel as they play (and King is dinged, as well as contract). I like Cephus and Bowden well enough when the big guns are gone, Carter would compete with Raven Greene, though he's my about 8th-choice for that spot. Brunson is "we're not spending a premium pick on the position", Hanson should go higher, Taylor is Williams' replacement and whitey tighty is a late seventh on a guy who should be solid on special teams at least. 

I think there will be a least one position they don't spend a pick on until later than we tend to be hoping. 

My tiers for the #Packers at 30

Tier 1
Justin Jefferson
Josh Jones

Tier 2
Ezra Cleveland
Zack Baun

Tier 3
Antoine Winfield Jr
Kenneth Murray
Michael Pittman Jr.

Tier 4
Brandon Aiyuk
Xavier McKinney
Patrick Queen
Denzel Mims

— Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) March 27, 2020

Baun is a wildcard. Is he an undersized edge rusher or an ILBer, who is a "slightly above average" athlete for that position? Murray, Queen, and Simmons are all better athletes, but with Baun being a former HS QB, he should have the edge in football IQ. It will be interesting to see how teams view him. 

Ok...I like this mock much better.

I could live with that! Especially the middle / late round guys, good value. 

Grave Digger posted:

Mims almost sounds too good to be true.. 

You don't know what you're talking about.  Nobody likes you.

Joking aside, everybody is hyped about Reagor but Mims easily outdid him stat wise against the same competition.  I don't know if I really think his 40 time is significant or really shows on the field other than to bump him up the draft order but he seemed a lot more NFL ready, particularly with sideline stuff, than Reagor.

I get Reagor probably has more tools as far as return game but I'd like a legit #2 over a gadget guy.

Chongo posted:

 

But then yes you get more picks, but you add to a crap ton of lower level picks...at this point do the Packers really need to add a 4th and a 6th rounder?

YES!

An early 4th rounder has value as does the 6th. Those picks can also be used to move up or down later and get players or picks.

If GB has 2 2nds a 3rd, 2 4th, a 5th and 2 6ths (along with whatever other picks they already have amassed, that is capital that can be deployed.

The chance of getting two pretty good players in round two is pretty high. the chance of getting a good player in round 3 is about 25%. The chance of getting a good player with 2 4th rounders is better than the chance of finding one with only 1 choice in round 3.

Lots of picks increases the odds of finding good players. So let's get lots of picks. 

Boris posted:

She has potential...😉❤️

good bubble 

Put her next to Kenny Clark - top need addressed !!

Was just going to grab some lunch ....maybe not 

I'd share a pizza with her any day. 

Not thinking you’d get more than a slice of that.