I can see the packers using Funchess as a TE, he was one at MI...if that happens, now that makes sense to me.
I think the Packers are okay with Sternberger, Tonyan, and Lewis at TE if they don't find an upgrade in the draft.
I also think Funchess fits, as has been noted by others, their desire for bigger WRs who can block. I doubt they convert him to TE.
Hungry5 posted:It's not about filling all your holes...
title of your sex tape
PackerHawk posted:Doubt the Packers are either sitting at #30. I think they could go in about any direction other than K, P or LS.
I think you are right - but only because Mike Sherman is no longer the GM.
He was the only GM who took an inside linebacker or wide receiver in the first round.
Not a big Badger fan. I've seen Zach Baun mocked to GB at 30 a few times. For those that have seen him play regularly, can he legitimately play MLB? Is he worth the 30th pick? Good kid?
Packers need to move up to 20 to have their choice of WR, LB or remaining OT. Gute likes tall fast WRs. Philly and Minnesota are sitting in the early 20s with the same needs so getting ahead of them is a priority. Hopefully he moves up to get one of those with my favorite Justin Jefferson hopefully there for the taking.
Pakrz posted:Not a big Badger fan. I've seen Zach Baun mocked to GB at 30 a few times. For those that have seen him play regularly, can he legitimately play MLB? Is he worth the 30th pick? Good kid?
Jesus Fuck He’s no TJ Wattya
Big Badger fan.
I can't see Baun as a first round pick (but I also thought TJ Watt was a huge risk too)
Hungry5 posted:I think the Packers are okay with Sternberger, Tonyan, and Lewis at TE if they don't find an upgrade in the draft.
I also think Funchess fits, as has been noted by others, their desire for bigger WRs who can block. I doubt they convert him to TE.
I never understood why TE was thought of as a must have for this draft. Our current TE roster that you mentioned above, should do well.
Pakrz posted:Not a big Badger fan. I've seen Zach Baun mocked to GB at 30 a few times. For those that have seen him play regularly, can he legitimately play MLB? Is he worth the 30th pick? Good kid?
I've seen him play a handful of times, not a Badger fan per se, so maybe I can approach it with some clearer eyes...
He's a hell of a college player. He can do a lot of things well. In college. Will that translate to the NFL? Not sure.
There's a long list of guys who are drafted from one position and put in another and never really pan out (Nick Perry, Jamal Reynolds come to mind). Packers need a contributor with pick 30, not a project.
Nice story by Tom Oates of the WSJ on Jack Vainisi's drafting expertise that established the dominant Packers of the 60's.
DurangoDoug posted:Nice story by Tom Oates of the WSJ on Jack Vainisi's drafting expertise that established the dominant Packers of the 60's.
One of the negatives on Harlan for me was his objection to having Vainisi's name on the ring of honor because he wasn't an 'official' GM.
Pakrz posted:
Nice, Pakrz....not sure Claypool is there in the 3rd, but that's not a bad draft, at all...if Jones really is available at 30, that should be the pick.
Floridarob posted:Packers need to move up to 20 to have their choice of WR, LB or remaining OT. Gute likes tall fast WRs. Philly and Minnesota are sitting in the early 20s with the same needs so getting ahead of them is a priority. Hopefully he moves up to get one of those with my favorite Justin Jefferson hopefully there for the taking.
Moving up to 20 would cost what exactly? The 2nd rounder and maybe something else?
Hell no!
I think the value is moving down. Pick up a 2nd + a 3rd or 4th.
If they stay at 30 there is going to be a good WR sitting there. May be only 3 WRs gone before GB picks CeeDee, Jeudy and Ruggs. They may have their choice of Higgins, Aiyuk, Chenault, Jefferson and Mimms and maybe several of those if they drop down 5-6 picks.
Let's say they trade the 30th to the Chargers for picks 37 and 71. That would leave GB with 37, 62, 71, 94.
37: (WR) Jefferson, Shenault, Aiyuk, Mims. (LB) Baun, Queen (DL) Blacklock, (OL) Jones, Jackson USC, Cleveland BSU, (RB) Maybe their pick of all of them.
62 & 71: Pick Two! (WR) Hamler PSU, Edwards SC, Pittman USC (OL) Biadasz, Ruiz, Niang, Cushenberry, Wanogho, Muti (RB) Akers, Dobbins (DB) Jaylon Johnson, Arnette, Dantzler, Winfield (DL) Davidson, Madubuike, Elliott (TE) Kmet, Hopkins, Bryant, Trautman
94: (WR) Peoples-Jones, Gandy-Golden, Duvernay, Van Jefferson (Edge) Anae, Darrell Taylor, Zuniga, Kareem (DB) Chinn (who I like to play a box S), Jackson Neb, Ojemudia
I think this is a deep draft except for probably TE. Lots of good players are going to be had deep into the draft. And I think GB needs a bunch of good players injected into the system.
Draft - Wide Receivers...Interesting... https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/...wide-receiver-class/
So thankful for Gutekunst.
Best way to gauge depth of any NFL draft is at what point do you start drafting projected backups rather than starters. This year, many teams believe they can get starter-level WR, LB, and CB/slots well into Round 4. Teams also think starting interior OL will slip into Day 3.
— Jim Nagy (@JimNagy_SB) April 6, 2020
With the depth at WR, not sure we need one in the first round though I can see us trading back. If there’s a quality starting DT available early when we draft, I would be happy with that pick. Stopping the run was a huge weakness last season.
People seem to be downplaying Tyler Biadasz for some reason, possibly because he hasn't worked out at all in the predraft process. I see him talked about as a 3rd rounder, but I think he's easily a 1st round talent. Big, strong, moves well, high football IQ, unanimous all american and Rimington winner, etc. There are some technique things he will need to clean up and he has some injury history, but he's easily one of the top 10 best OL in this draft and the top interior player for me. He definitely seems like someone that draftniks are overthinking...I'm guilty of it, his offseason has been static and it's easy to overlook someone who isn't standing out. If guys like Reagor and Jefferson are not available at 30, take TB, solidify the interior OL and don't worry about it. Let Turner and Wagner fight for RT.
Grave Digger posted:People seem to be downplaying Tyler Biadasz for some reason, possibly because he hasn't worked out at all in the predraft process.
Anyone else think this draft could be a franchise making/breaking draft simply due to the circumstances of not being able to fully evaluate players?
I do. Let's hope Giggity isn't on the dum dum side of things.
I saw Gil Brandt on twitter talking about how the small school players, basically encompassing non-Power 5 schools, FCS and lower levels will be hit hardest by this lack of in-person evaluation. Teams are going to get some serious steals on late Day 3 and UDFA because they will be gun shy to pull the trigger on those guys early.
Get the hazmat scouts out there. Work a couple of guys out at a time and observe from the safety of your creepy hazmat suit while limiting player exposure.
Hazmat 40 times.
INNOVATION!
Medical check/physicals may be the only real downside with the virtual draft.
Over the past few days, I’ve talked with several sources of mine who work in NFL player personnel. My takeaway is this: The chatter out there about teams being worried about blowing this draft is very, very real.
— Jason Reid (@JReidESPN) April 7, 2020
It can’t help that they don’t know 100% for sure that there’s even gonna be a 2020 season. Drafting for immediate need might be a moot point.
— Matt Murphy (@Bladdage) April 7, 2020
Do you buy into the notion that teams - in an NFL culture that values over preparation - might actually do better with less time to outthink themselves? Maybe it will be better to lean on the tape and not be swayed by a coached interview (which they can do anyway) and workout?
— Frank Schwab (@YahooSchwab) April 7, 2020
Disagree only for the reason that travel is probably way down, which means scouts aren't out in full force. I think it forces more teams to go with a Cleveland money ball approach, which we all know has worked out really well.
Grave Digger posted If guys like Reagor and Jefferson are not available at 30, take TB, solidify the interior OL and don't worry about it. Let Turner and Wagner fight for RT.
Digger...I don't think the Pack will have him that high on their board...if they want a guard- type, they seem to like former tackles, or guys with prototype measureables for the position.
They won't draft a center just to back up Linsley, unless they feel they could win with either at guard. I don't see it.
Henry posted:Disagree only for the reason that travel is probably way down, which means scouts aren't out in full force. I think it forces more teams to go with a Cleveland money ball approach, which we all know has worked out really well.
the scouts have been out in full force for 2 years following these guys, talking to college HCs and getting a feel for the person and the player in the Fall
What's not happening is the GM's and senior personnel guys getting a chance to meet and assess these guys in person. So they are going to have to trust their scouts' football and psych evals more than in previous years. Packers should be one of the better front offices vs their peers based on their track record.
TT and Gute have leaned toward the God Squad in the past, that part is easy enough to tease out if they want to look at social media. And maybe the Packers end up with more whiskey drinkers than milk drinkers this time around - that might be just what's needed to push them over the top.
Packmeister posted:Grave Digger posted If guys like Reagor and Jefferson are not available at 30, take TB, solidify the interior OL and don't worry about it. Let Turner and Wagner fight for RT.Digger...I don't think the Pack will have him that high on their board...if they want a guard- type, they seem to like former tackles, or guys with prototype measureables for the position.
They won't draft a center just to back up Linsley, unless they feel they could win with either at guard. I don't see it.
They took Elgton Jenkins at 44, he was thought to be basically a Guard or Center only. Biadasz is a better prospect than Jenkins IMO. I think they would draft him to play RG.
I think they're looking at Turner and Wagner at RT because 1) they kept and paid Lane Taylor, you don't pay your backup OG $5.5M when you're your LG is rock solid and your RG is making $8.1M, and 2) both Turner and Wagner's deals are basically on 1 year deals at this point. They structured both so that either could be easily cut after this season with negligible dead money. So I think, which is wild speculation, they're looking at 1) letting Turner/Wagner compete and be bandaids at RT 2) inserting Lane Taylor at RG if Turner locks down the job and does well 3) drafting a RG replacement since Taylor is in a contract year.
Linsley is in also contract year, so if they draft a C/G prospect like Biadasz then they will feel comfortable letting Linsley walk.
Packy posted:Draft - Wide Receivers...Interesting... https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/...wide-receiver-class/
Love it. Lots of athleticism and production to choose from.
Packy posted:Draft - Wide Receivers...Interesting... https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/...wide-receiver-class/
With so many receivers coming out that have a chance to be good, why would teams blow their wad early on a WR who may be no better than someone you can get later?
Henry posted:Disagree only for the reason that travel is probably way down, which means scouts aren't out in full force. I think it forces more teams to go with a Cleveland money ball approach, which we all know has worked out really well.
I was talking to a friend of mine who is a VP for the Colts about the draft problems. He said that travel and pro days, etc don't really mean much. The team has had it's draft board mostly done since last fall and only makes small changes to it between the end of the season and draft day.
And the changes are mostly due to character or medical issues that were unknown. But most of them are known.