Chongo posted:McShart used to have a higher level of credibility than most of these humps, but he has degraded into another shit-flinger to just see what sticks on the wall.
He needs to change it every week for clicks, it's to his advantage to be all over the place
Chongo posted:McShart latest mock has Packers taking Clemson WR Tee Higgins at #30 and Florida State RB Cam Akers in the 2nd at #62...he has both Mims and Pittman, two WR who fit the Packers WR mold to a T, way more than Higgins, going in the 2nd round.
McShart used to have a higher level of credibility than most of these humps, but he has degraded into another shit-flinger to just see what sticks on the wall.
I don’t give McShart much credibility, but I don’t think Higgins is a poor fit. He’s atypical for a Ted Thompson receiver for sure, but Gute drafted 3 different build/speed/quickness receivers in 2018 and thus far hasn’t shown to be a huge stickler for the Thompson/Wolf parameters. Jaire wasn’t a typical TT CB. Higgins has a high upside and he turned 21 in January.
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El-Ka-Bong posted:Chongo posted:McShart used to have a higher level of credibility than most of these humps, but he has degraded into another shit-flinger to just see what sticks on the wall.
He needs to change it every week for clicks, it's to his advantage to be all over the place
People, many people, use this approach when communicating or sharing information on a particular subject with those interested.
#AlwaysRight
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Packmeister posted:PackerHawk posted:Packmeister posted:R MaN posted:In Kiper’s latest mock. He has us taking.
I thought we might go that route, too, but then we signed Funchess.
You don't modify your draft for a guy on a one year prove it contract.
It might change the type of wideout you target.
Not for a guy that's here for one year. If he had signed a 3 year contract then maybe that changes your draft strategy a bit.
Then, that would mean you're "locked in" on Claypool, right?
PackerHawk posted:Packmeister posted:PackerHawk posted:Packmeister posted:R MaN posted:In Kiper’s latest mock. He has us taking.
I thought we might go that route, too, but then we signed Funchess.
You don't modify your draft for a guy on a one year prove it contract.
It might change the type of wideout you target.
Not for a guy that's here for one year. If he had signed a 3 year contract then maybe that changes your draft strategy a bit.
Funchess needs to be considered as much a camp body as any UDFA considering his middling performances and injury history.
YA Tittle update: Thumb in butt from the Tittler.
Quarterback will, of course, be a thought for many here. But I don't see it. Baun is a versatile linebacker who can not only replace Blake Martinez in the middle, but can be a bit of a jack-of-all-trades type in Mike Pettine's defense. Baun can be your traditional LB or he can work in the passing game and blanket tight ends. Not a first-round pick in many mock drafts, but I know quite a few teams who like him as an end-of-first/early-second-round guy.
I would take this draft IMMEDIATELY The 1st two picks alone would be crazy. I love Bowden as a Cobb like guy you create mismatches for. Bayless is an interesting development type WR, and Breeland in in the 7th is a nice value. Got hurt, but has way more talent than a 7th rounder... PLUS LAMAR JACKSON!
30 Grant Delpit, S LSU
62 Raekwon Davis, IDL Alabama
94 Saahdiq Charles, OT LSU
136 Lynn Bowden, WR Kentucky
175 Javelin Guidry, CB Utah
192 Omar Bayless, WR Arkansas State
208 Lamar Jackson, CB Nebraska
209 Francis Bernard, LB Utah
236 Raequan Williams, IDL Michigan State
242 Jacob Breeland, TE Oregon
Delpit similar to Deonne Buchanan...he would be an immediate upgrade to Raven Greene.
Davis is a massive human being...some people have said he's too tall to play inside in the NFL...but they said the same thing about John Henderson. Again, an immediate upgrade to Lowry...also, if we get him in the 2nd, keeps him away from the 49ers who will be looking for a replacement for Buckner.
the more i listen to stuff, the more S makes sense...my gut still says OL or DL but the nickel back and/or hybrid LB is not on this team right now, if one of the top guys is there, man...
Bummed the 49ers have two 1st round picks. Have seen Kinlaw(talk about replacing Buckner) and Ruggs mocked to them at #13 and they can add another impact player at #31. Crap
Davis makes me nervous...some huge production drop off from his stellar Soph(?) season.
62 Raekwon Davis, IDL Alabama
236 Raequan Williams, IDL Michigan State
an interior made of Raekwon/quans who can argue over who spells it right would be worth it straightaway. 
Whiners need WR more than Kinlaw with that first pick
Chongo posted:Whiners need WR more than Kinlaw with that first pick
Why I posted Kinlaw and Ruggs as options.
Imagine having to defend Kittle, Deebo, and Ruggs III. Fuck me ...and Pettine
Course it would be Mostert that would gash us !!! 
Kinlaw isn't making it to 31.
Tdog posted:62 Raekwon Davis, IDL Alabama
236 Raequan Williams, IDL Michigan State
an interior made of Raekwon/quans who can argue over who spells it right would be worth it straightaway.
You know, I was really high on Raekwon Davis, but in the past two seasons, he really hasn't done that much to distinguish himself...like he's been mailing it in...or injured. Most analysts have him rated no higher than the 2nd round.
My thoughts on players: feel free to disagree or say "hell, yeah!". LOL
I'm not an expert on football... just love the game, the pre-season process, and the Green Bay Packers.
QB - refer to the article today on Packerswire why we don't need to take one early...'nuff said...good article...you should read it, if you haven't already.
RB - depends on what the team wants to do concerning AJ's contract year. Do they have anything in Dexter? If not, find someone to push for the #2 or #3 role, with an upside to be the feature back if AJ gets too expensive to keep.
WR - as a forum, we seem to be all over the board on who we should take, and where. Let's focus on what we do know.
1) We need a legit #2. Anyone disagree on that?
2) The question then becomes, do we need someone to stretch the field, or someone to win from the slot? That determines who you're going to draft. Maybe we can land the guy that can win from both positions, much like Davante does. That would be my highest hope. Who is that guy? You tell me...maybe it's Mims, Pittman, Jefferson, Higgins, or Claypool. I'm mentioning guys who will realistically be on the board at 30, or 62.
TE - If you want a TE early, I honestly think it should be Claypool. If not, maybe Trautman, or some mid-rounder.
OL - No question we need a tackle...should be a high priority. I don't know who the team likes, so I'll refer you to the RAS score article on Packerswire...you decide for yourself.
https://packerswire.usatoday.c...-packers-tendencies/
DL - I think the team needs a good nose tackle to solidify the run defense and free up Clark. The 4th and 5th rounds look like a good place to find one. Maybe someone later to develop behind Lowry.
LB - Here's another spot we're all focused on. With the signing of Kirksey, it seems clear the team wants him to be the man in the middle. The problem I see is his injury history. I can't see us going through the draft and not finding a complementary linebacker to go along with him. Who should that be? Arguably, you want a three-down prospect who can do all things...not a lot of those guys in this draft...maybe Willie Gay. I think Zach Baun could be that guy, but it will take a high pick...Logan Wilson can be found in 3 or 4, like Gay. Troy Dye certainly, maybe round 3.
S - Maybe the team goes with a hybrid safety-linebacker to complement Kirksey. I could see that, too...Dugger and Chinn fit the bill...maybe there's another player or two who fit. I don't know.
CB - Can't have enough good corners, right? I think we'll certainly draft one...
Those are my thoughts...just want to add some ideas for discussion.
Packmeister posted:My thoughts on players: feel free to disagree or say "hell, yeah!". LOL
I'm not an expert on football... just love the game, the pre-season process, and the Green Bay Packers.
QB - refer to the article today on Packerswire why we don't need to take one early...'nuff said...good article...you should read it, if you haven't already.
RB - depends on what the team wants to do concerning AJ's contract year. Do they have anything in Dexter? If not, find someone to push for the #2 or #3 role, with an upside to be the feature back if AJ gets too expensive to keep.
WR - as a forum, we seem to be all over the board on who we should take, and where. Let's focus on what we do know.
1) We need a legit #2. Anyone disagree on that?
2) The question then becomes, do we need someone to stretch the field, or someone to win from the slot? That determines who you're going to draft. Maybe we can land the guy that can win from both positions, much like Davante does. That would be my highest hope. Who is that guy? You tell me...maybe it's Mims, Pittman, Jefferson, Higgins, or Claypool. I'm mentioning guys who will realistically be on the board at 30, or 62.
TE - If you want a TE early, I honestly think it should be Claypool. If not, maybe Trautman, or some mid-rounder.
OL - No question we need a tackle...should be a high priority. I don't know who the team likes, so I'll refer you to the RAS score article on Packerswire...you decide for yourself.
https://packerswire.usatoday.c...-packers-tendencies/
DL - I think the team needs a good nose tackle to solidify the run defense and free up Clark. The 4th and 5th rounds look like a good place to find one. Maybe someone later to develop behind Lowry.
LB - Here's another spot we're all focused on. With the signing of Kirksey, it seems clear the team wants him to be the man in the middle. The problem I see is his injury history. I can't see us going through the draft and not finding a complementary linebacker to go along with him. Who should that be? Arguably, you want a three-down prospect who can do all things...not a lot of those guys in thulis draft...maybe Willie Gay. I think Zach Baun could be that guy, but it will take a high pick...Logan Wilson can be found in 3 or 4, like Gay. Troy Dye certainly, maybe round 3.
S - Maybe the team goes with a hybrid safety-linebacker to complement Kirksey. I could see that, too...Dugger and Chinn fit the bill...maybe there's another player or two who fit. I don't know.
CB - Can't have enough good corners, right? I think we'll certainly draft one...
Those are my thoughts...just want to add some ideas for discussion.
Disagree.
Pakrz posted:Packmeister posted:My thoughts on players: feel free to disagree or say "hell, yeah!". LOL
I'm not an expert on football... just love the game, the pre-season process, and the Green Bay Packers.
QB - refer to the article today on Packerswire why we don't need to take one early...'nuff said...good article...you should read it, if you haven't already.
RB - depends on what the team wants to do concerning AJ's contract year. Do they have anything in Dexter? If not, find someone to push for the #2 or #3 role, with an upside to be the feature back if AJ gets too expensive to keep.
WR - as a forum, we seem to be all over the board on who we should take, and where. Let's focus on what we do know.
1) We need a legit #2. Anyone disagree on that?
2) The question then becomes, do we need someone to stretch the field, or someone to win from the slot? That determines who you're going to draft. Maybe we can land the guy that can win from both positions, much like Davante does. That would be my highest hope. Who is that guy? You tell me...maybe it's Mims, Pittman, Jefferson, Higgins, or Claypool. I'm mentioning guys who will realistically be on the board at 30, or 62.
TE - If you want a TE early, I honestly think it should be Claypool. If not, maybe Trautman, or some mid-rounder.
OL - No question we need a tackle...should be a high priority. I don't know who the team likes, so I'll refer you to the RAS score article on Packerswire...you decide for yourself.
https://packerswire.usatoday.c...-packers-tendencies/
DL - I think the team needs a good nose tackle to solidify the run defense and free up Clark. The 4th and 5th rounds look like a good place to find one. Maybe someone later to develop behind Lowry.
LB - Here's another spot we're all focused on. With the signing of Kirksey, it seems clear the team wants him to be the man in the middle. The problem I see is his injury history. I can't see us going through the draft and not finding a complementary linebacker to go along with him. Who should that be? Arguably, you want a three-down prospect who can do all things...not a lot of those guys in thulis draft...maybe Willie Gay. I think Zach Baun could be that guy, but it will take a high pick...Logan Wilson can be found in 3 or 4, like Gay. Troy Dye certainly, maybe round 3.
S - Maybe the team goes with a hybrid safety-linebacker to complement Kirksey. I could see that, too...Dugger and Chinn fit the bill...maybe there's another player or two who fit. I don't know.
CB - Can't have enough good corners, right? I think we'll certainly draft one...
Those are my thoughts...just want to add some ideas for discussion.
Disagree.
Disagree.
Good points all around. I have a lot of thinking to do
Gravedigger: After looking at your thought's I did a little shopping for info about Danny Pinter as I did not see him play this year. I agree with your assessment he does seem to have a little of Bulaga in him. That is a positive as well as negative- he seems to have the same slower feet -I just hope the smarts and grit that Bulaga used to overcome that are also in as much evidence. You just can't tell with You tube clips but I do agree he would be a good selection if available in rd 4. Thanks for providing another name t o watch for in 3 weeks!
Henry posted:PackerHawk posted:Packmeister posted:PackerHawk posted:Packmeister posted:R MaN posted:In Kiper’s latest mock. He has us taking.
I thought we might go that route, too, but then we signed Funchess.
You don't modify your draft for a guy on a one year prove it contract.
It might change the type of wideout you target.
Not for a guy that's here for one year. If he had signed a 3 year contract then maybe that changes your draft strategy a bit.
Funchess needs to be considered as much a camp body as any UDFA considering his middling performances and injury history.
YA Tittle update: Thumb in butt from the Tittler.
You don't give that kind of contract to a "Camp Body."
For a vet? At best it's a "prove it" contract. The reality is he has just as good a chance of being beaten out as he does at sticking. The only thing working in his favor is the absolute dearth of talent at WR. Calling him a stopgap by default would be accurate.
He is in the “It can’t hurt” category. It’s not like the team is rolling in cap money anyway. Yah, he has struggled with the dropsies, but he was ok with the Panthers. He may be motivated to play with a better QB than Newton.
It's not about filling all your holes...
I think about this roster building philosophy a lot... ‘Make sure you go into the Draft ready to play a game’
— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) April 3, 2020
Do you feel your team is ready to play a game (theoretical game) in 2 weeks?
(This is about addressing needs via free agency and having Draft day flexibility)
PackerPatrick posted:He is in the “It can’t hurt” category. It’s not like the team is rolling in cap money anyway. Yah, he has struggled with the dropsies, but he was ok with the Panthers. He may be motivated to play with a better QB than Newton.
I don't dislike the signing but I don't think it moves the needle that much when it comes to need at the position. I just don't think you can call him a fix for #2 or even #3 position. He has the potential to be that but proof is in the puddin'.
Funchess is a savvy vet who knows how to use his big body. He pushes Kumerow off the roster and is insurance in case Lazard is maxxed out.
He's stout enough to block in the run game, which is key for MLF and he's good enough to beat # 3 -4 CBs .
He's not running by them, but they aren't knocking him around like they did with MVS last year. Nice addition, and he'll make the 53
I'd hope he'd make that pathetic WR corp but he also drops the ball a lot. He's worth the money they gave him but I sure don't see him as a lock. Not against the signing and I hope he makes it but the expectations should be pretty minimal IMO.
We shall see.
I think we haven't seen the best of Lazard, yet.
Article from Feb 2019 - Funchess and Benjamin (both Panthers) were top 10 in drops in 2018. Correlation?
Benjamin is of course a lost cause.
{snip}
Funchess has shown far more potential. While the drop numbers were ugly, it doesn’t represent his complete body of work. Dropping several passes in front of his hometown crowd against the Lions seemed to sap his confidence and he wasn’t the same after. However, Funchess has developed a great deal as a route runner and has always been a better competitor.
I would hope he's thick-skinned enough to forget about the last mistake, and make the most of the next opportunity.
I like that you're doing mocks and experimenting, but I don't see any real playmakers there...
I get that guys like Cephus, because he's a Badger, but I don't see him in the team's offense, I just don't. There are much better options, even in the middle rounds.
Chinn or Davidson would be big athletic upgrades, and Ok could be really good if he can shake the injury bug. I really like Johnson, as well, and he'd give them a very good defensive backfield, when all are healthy.
I liken Cephus to Cooper Kupp, while Victor and Bowden are guys I think could be sneaky good. They don't have enough high picks to grab more-likely playmakers and I'm not "jumping the board" because I don't think Gutekunst will.
Of course I'm going by TDN's (or whomever's board) with some of my own valuations mixed in.
Packmeister posted:Then, that would mean you're "locked in" on Claypool, right?
Me? No, I'm not locked in on anyone. Doubt the Packers are either sitting at #30. I think they could go in about any direction other than K, P or LS.
