Drafted a niche QB.
Is niche the same as interception machine?
Nice av.
Possibly more proof the Packers are moving from Jones and Williams.
quick, agile, can catch the ball out of the backfield, Donât forget the Packers landed both Jones and Williams with Day 3 selections during the 2017 NFL draft.
We offered Jones "top 5" money (although it wasn't guaranteed) and he turned it down / got a new agent .... Packers aren't going to offer him better.
@skully posted:That guy knew what he was grabben.
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Courtesy of H5. Just too good to pass up because it's fucking hilarious on it's own merits.
Anything with "Tornado flush" has to be good. Clogger no more.
Not sure I'd like a WR in the first 3 rounds this year. Some combination of CB, ILB, DL, OT in the first few rounds will fill most of the needs. So obviously it will be something like WR, RB, S.
What I'm hoping is we burn several of our many picks to move up and take a player that won't see the field for 3+ years. That would be sweet.
#ThatsSoGutey
@Grave Digger posted:Couple guys I really like that are young
A rather large number of intriguing prospects on this list.
https://www.nfl.com/news/cfb-p...enter-2021-nfl-draft
Would Gutekunst pull the trigger on the undersized Samuel with Alexander already on the roster?
I'm waiting for them to slap the FT on Jones just so I can call him Guten Tag.
I'm not even sure YA would "like" that joke.
@Herschel posted:A rather large number of intriguing prospects on this list.
https://www.nfl.com/news/cfb-p...enter-2021-nfl-draft
Would Gutekunst pull the trigger on the undersized Samuel with Alexander already on the roster?
Doubt it...my guess is they go for someone north of 6' unless they feel Josh Jackson is ready to fill that role.
Sounds like Barry may play a hybrid man/zone scheme putting Jaire on an island and then zoning up everywhere else. That may be a reason they think they can go with Jackson and spend top draft capital on an edge to replace P-Smiff.
Holy god that would be a nightmare. I sure the hell hope Gray sticks around but itâs not like we saw dick out of Jackson last year either.
@Chongo posted:Sounds like Barry may play a hybrid man/zone scheme putting Jaire on an island and then zoning up everywhere else. That may be a reason they think they can go with Jackson and spend top draft capital on an edge to replace P-Smiff.
If they think they can go with Jackson as a starting CB, they should all be fired yesterday. Their three (under contract) starters have man-to-man skills, and to have a top defense, you need defensive backs who can do both well. My guess is they bring in 3-5 legitimate DBs this offseason, probably at least two via the draft, maybe re-sign Sullivan and a free agent of some sort as well as another safety.
King has been pretty good in man, but he struggled a lot in zone.
Of course you've now doomed an prospect of a CB being selected in the draft or at least until the 6th round.
I thought the same on King. I don't know if the issue is he has a hard time mentally adjusting to zone but he's not a complete wash in this defense by any means. Do they need to start grooming a new crop of guys as replacements for King and Sullivan? Yes, but I agree both King and Sullivan aren't going anywhere. It could be worse.
As FLPacker continually pointed out, King needs to go back and work on some fundamentals and probably hit the books/film a little harder.
DL could be the first position GB picks in this draft. A DT like Christian Barmore, from Alabama, could fall to us at #29. Kenny Clark needs another DT next to him that can beat his man, consistently. That guy could be Barmore. DL, LB, RB, DB and OL are all positions to be looked at.
At this point, I honestly don't care as long as it's defense.
Watch, theyâll draft Wyatt Davis, Cole Van Lanen, Josh Meyers and Jermar Jefferson with their first four picks.
Funny aside: autocorrect initially changed Cole Van Lanen to Coke Von Karen, which sounds like an 80s hard rock drag queen.
We all have recency bias especially as it relates to Kevin King. He picked the wrong time to play the worst game of his professional career against TB. Thatâs what stands out. I have a hunch he wasnât totally healthy in that game but it is what it is.
The shame of it is he played relatively well in 2020. Despite his warts, heâs a bonafide starting corner but gets tested a lot due to no one throwing at Jaire Alexander and the Packers inability to feature any other competent corners in the lineup.
I still believe it could be in the Packers interests to bring him back on a short term team friendly deal. His biggest issue is staying healthy. But he can play and is above average in most respects of his game. Doesnât mean that they shouldnât add a free agent or draft a corner (Iâd do both BTW) because to have an effective defense you can never have enough guys that can cover.
As for Josh Jackson, heâs a different story altogether. While he may possess good hands and instincts, and has excelled in zone schemes, he has struggled mightily when having to play man coverage because his lack of speed and quickness is exposed and heâs not a good tackler. He also doesnât have that âtwitchâ or suddenness/change of direction that most decent corners have.
@Tschmack posted:We all have recency bias especially as it relates to Kevin King. He picked the wrong time to play the worst game of his professional career against TB. Thatâs what stands out. I have a hunch he wasnât totally healthy in that game but it is what it is.
The shame of it is he played relatively well in 2020. Despite his warts, heâs a bonafide starting corner but gets tested a lot due to no one throwing at Jaire Alexander and the Packers inability to feature any other competent corners in the lineup.
I still believe it could be in the Packers interests to bring him back on a short term team friendly deal. His biggest issue is staying healthy. But he can play and is above average in most respects of his game. Doesnât mean that they shouldnât add a free agent or draft a corner (Iâd do both BTW) because to have an effective defense you can never have enough guys that can cover.
As for Josh Jackson, heâs a different story altogether. While he may possess good hands and instincts, and has excelled in zone schemes, he has struggled mightily when having to play man coverage because his lack of speed and quickness is exposed and heâs not a good tackler. He also doesnât have that âtwitchâ or suddenness/change of direction that most decent corners have.
The fact that they didn't trust Josh Jackson in coverage at all probably cost Kevin King a lot of money. There was no way King was 100% given how long they evaluated him the day of the NFC Title game. They made the determination that a (at least slightly) dinged-up Kevin King was a much better option than Josh Jackson. King played himself out of some decent contract offers during the game.
King has a place somewhere in the NFL as a third corner for someone. I don't think it can be with the Packers though.
Jackson hasn't excelled at all in Green Bay after 3 years. I don't think the package of Sullivan and King in a zone defense is ever going to yield good results. Sullivan is an over achiever at this point and why he wasn't drafted showed up in spades. Couple that with dip and dum trying to figure out zone coverages and you get what we saw in the NFCC.
Neither King or Sullivan are horrible but they are replaceable. I think there needs to be a serious pros/cons evaluation of both. King is also dinged up all the time. Decent man skills, shitty zone skills and injuries make him a 40/60 proposition.
Itâs funny Bashaud Breeland was terrible in the Super Bowl but he was a healthier and older version of Kevin King for the Chiefs. KC signed him to a modest 1 year, 3MM contract in 2020. He was signed to a 1 year, 2MM contract the year before that.
Not sure what the actual demand is out there for King or Breeland but if the Packers were able to get either guy for a short term deal and then draft a CB early on I think that could work.
Alexander is due for a huge payday so itâs even more important to find a cheaper #2 or #3 guy.
@Herschel posted:Watch, theyâll draft Wyatt Davis, Cole Van Lanen, Josh Meyers and Jermar Jefferson with their first four picks.
Funny aside: autocorrect initially changed Cole Van Lanen to Coke Von Karen, which sounds like an 80s hard rock drag queen.
If Gump is going to completely avoid defense I'd actually be okay with those picks.
@Tschmack posted:Itâs funny Bashaud Breeland was terrible in the Super Bowl but he was a healthier and older version of Kevin King for the Chiefs. KC signed him to a modest 1 year, 3MM contract in 2020. He was signed to a 1 year, 2MM contract the year before that.
Not sure what the actual demand is out there for King or Breeland but if the Packers were able to get either guy for a short term deal and then draft a CB early on I think that could work.
Alexander is due for a huge payday so itâs even more important to find a cheaper #2 or #3 guy.
I can't imagine the FO is running to lock down King. A guy on a rookie contract would be great but it's also a pretty tough ask for a 1st year CB to make an impact. Especially if you're picking at #29. I'm guessing teams are seeing King as a second tier guy so I'm sure they'll be some interest but it's hard to gauge the market for a guy like King.
as painful as it sounds, be ready for josh jackson to be given the opportunity to win that spot - so no signing at cb until TC and only then if he falls on his face...just have a hunch on that one...they will draft 1-2 cb maybe even that dude from fsu - but not sign someone, imo.
I can think of a number of Packers rookies that played corner early on and played pretty well. Alexander, Sharper, Tim Lewis, McKenzie, Newsome, and Hayward, come to mind. Even Ty Williams did well as a rookie corner.
Yes, there are plenty that sucked from the beginning or never improved like Antuan Edwards and Vinnie Clark and Quentin Rollins and Bwawoh Jue and Ahmad Carroll and Pat Lee.
But other than a couple, like Doug Evans and maybe T-Buck, did guys they drafted actually progress and get a lot better. Usually, you know pretty quickly if a guy can play or not.
So history doesnât bode well for Josh Jackson.
Saw this comment recently...
âUpside just means youâre athletic. No one was talking about Richard Shermanâs upside. They werenât talking about Hopkins upside. Mitchell Schwartz. They all ended up being the best players @ their respective positions."
Just find guys who can play the game, and understand the game.
@pkr_north posted:as painful as it sounds, be ready for josh jackson to be given the opportunity to win that spot - so no signing at cb until TC and only then if he falls on his face...just have a hunch on that one...they will draft 1-2 cb maybe even that dude from fsu - but not sign someone, imo.
Coke Von Karen was awesome. But their studio work never captured their live shows.
King has a lot to work on. His propensity for twisting his hips and opening too much or the wrong way gives WRs a three- to four-yard cushion on so many plays. I can't recall the game this past year, but I remember them calling plays -- most out-and-ups and square-off patterns -- to get King to have to turn. Almost every time they did, he would twist and open, and bam! it was an easy four-yard opening for the QB to hit. If Rodgers and Adams were playing against King, it would be an all-day pitch-and-catch fest. On the TB TD before half, yup, he opens and drifts to the inside, leaving a huge gap that he can't close before the ball gets there. If Jerry Gray hasn't fixed that, or King isn't open to fixing it, then goodbye.
King does face AR12 and 17 every practice doesn't he? Never quite got how our defense wasn't better just because of who they practice against.
I actually wouldnât mind bringing back King if itâs a modest deal. I think he and Jaire are a pretty good tandem. Get DL and/or MLB help and King is better at his position.
If King is on the team in â21 and Jones isnât Gute needs to have his head examined end of story
Didnât Gutenberg already offer Jones a pretty hefty contract which was turned down. Unless franchised, Gute canât make him sign a contract. And even franchising doesnât guarantee it.
@PackLandVA posted:I actually wouldnât mind bringing back King if itâs a modest deal. I think he and Jaire are a pretty good tandem. Get DL and/or MLB help and King is better at his position.
"pretty good tandem"? King by any metric is a below average CB, completion %, PFF( I think they had him ranked as the 88th CB ) , Herman gave him the lowest grade he has ever given a defensive player for the TB game. I don't like his body language, demeanor in interviews, or his play on the field. Under Gray, the other 3 DB starters all played better,... King did not, I would not like to see him back.
Some here are asking GB to Franchise Tag Jones. Anyone else think GB would do that? I keep reading that letting Jones, or Williams, walk is why they drafted Dillon, in the first place.What would putting the tag on Jones do to his cap numbers?