@GB-Brandon posted:If your using 2nd round picks to replace Williams then your not getting it done!
If you’re looking to run the ball more effectively with the baddest f’n play action QB in NFL history, you do it and don’t look back. You give the Packers a run game that generates close to 2000 yards on the ground, there are no negatives.
@GB-Brandon posted:Skeptical of what? People can disagree with me all they want. I don’t like it for several reasons. It’s a popular signing now but we’ll see. Once again I love me some Aaron Jones too but I’m not sure this is the best move going forward. Lets not let the popularity of player complicate the facts.
No.1- When has paying RB’s big $ worked out so well over the long haul? Show me all the success in it?
No.2- We just drafted a guy in the 2nd round to carry this load.
No. 3- We have an MVP QB and by all accounts the “Missing Piece” in the offense(Certainly against Tampa) was a No.2 receiver who could beat press. Rodgers has even talked of wanting another receiver. This is going to make it very difficult if not impossible to make that happen in FA now.
No.4 - Paying a RB that kind of $ is not something that a competitive roster can usually do over the long haul while having a QB making so much $. It’s just doesn’t usually add up with other roster delegations and the salary cap.
I just love how everyone can get on board with overpaying the RB position while drafting it high but basically ignoring the receiver position for three years now. To me this is a move is to help out a younger inexperienced QB that you project playing sooner then later. Most likely in the 2022 Season.
Jesus H.
It’s like he has no pattern recognition. This offense is far more complex than just Rodgers dropping back and throwing to “competent “ no. 2 receivers. That was the offense run by the guy in Dallas. The run and play action pass is the reason our QB had an MVP season.
We do need a No.2 and more importantly a guy who can beat press coverage outside of D. Adams. If you want to beat Tod Bowles that is.
This can all be re-visited. If they extend Rodgers on a “5” it can still work. Otherwise drink up and enjoy 2021 because they are transitioning to JL. The numbers don’t add up. This isn’t how I wanted it and people can get mad at me all they want. I didn’t do this shit!
I’m relieved that we were able to sign AJ. But it proves once again that the NFL salary cap angst is unwarranted. I mean, do these guys use Monopoly money or what? Seems there’s always a way to get people signed no matter how dire the situation is.
I wonder why Brandon didn't tell us this morning about the Jones signing using his "local sources".
@GB-Brandon posted:We do need a No.2 and more importantly a guy who can beat press coverage outside of D. Adams. If you want to beat Tod Bowles that is.
This can all be re-visited. If they extend Rodgers on a “5” it can still work. Otherwise drink up and enjoy 2021 because they are transitioning to JL. The numbers don’t add up. This isn’t how I wanted it and people can get mad at me all they want. I didn’t do this shit!
Didn’t do what shit? Panic at the beginning of the off-season because we haven’t simply handed 120 million dollars to one of the players? In your lego world, maybe, but in the real NFL those big contracts take time. It will get done because that’s what makes sense.
@Goalline posted:It’s like he has no pattern recognition. This offense is far more complex than just Rodgers dropping back and throwing to “competent “ no. 2 receivers. That was the offense run by the guy in Dallas. The run and play action pass is the reason our QB had an MVP season.
The offense is great and the receivers are great on a “Macro Level” against our division opponents etc etc. but on “Micro Level” when the scheme gets jammed up against a defense that can play fast & physical and press while slowing the run up a little the scheme and the playbook shrink. All the sudden Rodgers is left locking in on Adams and things lose rhythm fast. LaFluer all the sudden starts to panic and his play calling becomes questionable. Yes, it’s a great offense but the advanced metrics don’t lie. MVS, Lazard, St Brown etc aren’t great man! They are okay within a scheme of things with Rodgers pushing the shit and the SCHEME. Those guys aren’t built to beat PRESS so the offense breaks down. Both times against Tampa and against the Niners last year you could feel the desperation at times.
At the end of the day this team is going to have to beat PRESS to win a Super Bowl most likely and I’m not sure paying Aaron Jones 13 million next year got them any closer to doing that. Maybe they aren’t done. We’ll see. That’s my opinion. You can Love it. Great!!
@RoyalWulff posted:I’m relieved that we were able to sign AJ. But it proves once again that the NFL salary cap angst is unwarranted. I mean, do these guys use Monopoly money or what? Seems there’s always a way to get people signed no matter how dire the situation is.
Even New Orleans will operate fine with their cap situation. I pay no attention to the cap. I mean, what’s the point?
@GB-Brandon posted:The offense is great and the receivers are great on a “Macro Level” against our division opponents etc etc. but on “Micro Level” when the scheme gets jammed up against a defense that can play fast & physical and press while slowing the run up a little the scheme and the playbook shrink. All the sudden Rodgers is left locking in on Adams and things lose rhythm fast. LaFluer all the sudden starts to panic and his play calling becomes questionable. Yes, it’s a great offense but the advanced metrics don’t lie. MVS, Lazard, St Brown etc aren’t great man! They are okay within a scheme of things with Rodgers pushing the shit and the SCHEME. Those guys aren’t built to beat PRESS so the offense breaks down. Both times against Tampa and against the Niners last year you could feel the desperation at times.
At the end of the day this team is going to have to beat PRESS to win a Super Bowl most likely and I’m not sure paying Aaron Jones 13 million next year got them any closer to doing that. Maybe they aren’t done. We’ll see. That’s my opinion. You can Love it. Great!!
I do love it. Been a while since someone was this RONG on X4.
Good press beating WRs don’t grow on trees. There were 2 of those guys in the last draft. Both drafted before we picked. The rest? Not ready to do it in their rookie years. Want an instant man beating talent. We have to trade for him. At what cost?
@Goalline posted:Even New Orleans will operate fine with their cap situation. I pay no attention to the cap. I mean, what’s the point?
And as I say that, the cutting begins in New Orleans
I wonder if the Saints will look to draft or sign a QB since Taysom Hill's numbers are so awesome.
So now it’s a certainty that they need to address the roster to deal with Todd Bowles and the Bucs? Kind of like how everyone freaked out the year before about SF?
The fact remains if the Packers had done their job and made the plays we aren’t having this discussion.
It’s absolutely hilarious given I’m the one usually overreacting. Let the offseason play out and we can discuss then.
Tschmack, spot on. This team has all the talent needed to beat anyone at any time. They just have to do it. The complete lack of poise displayed by our coaching staff and by certain senior members of the team was disappointing.
@Henry posted:Yes, need. Who said "star"? I'd rather see the draft capital spent on defense but if it's the "trust the board" schtick and the right WR is there, you take him. You guys seem to think this team is super deep at WR. You have Adams while banking on MVS to be consistent with Allen Lazard.
Just like cheddar cheese, Rodgers makes everything better. It doesn't mean you look at one of the worst stocked positions on this team and say everything is all good.
We are not super deep at WR and don’t need to be. This is not MM’s offense.
BTW, Patrick Queen was not going to carry us past Tampa last year, based on his play in a more talented Ravens defense. He’ll be good, but at the moment he is no difference maker.
If only they had more consistent talent to make it through the playoffs. It's almost like playoff football requires better preparation and higher talent levels.
It's a fact, more talent makes for better teams.
Inferring the 9ers somehow fell off a cliff rather than being completely decimated by injuries is a weak argument, like they were a fad. The entire point is when the Packers come up against teams with defenses that win championships, they lose. That simple. I don't care what team it is, solid defense, Packers lose in the playoffs.
What's funny to me is it's the same fucking scenario every time. Maybe the Packers having their own playoff level defense instead of having fucking Lancaster and Lowry as key pieces might be a something to look into? Maybe having playoff caliber WR or DT or ILB (lulz) might be something to check out?
Hey, we got a developmental, raw QB with questionable decision making skills for a 1st and a 4th while taking the first defensive player in the 5th round.
Lowry and fucking Lancaster.
@Goalline posted:I do love it. Been a while since someone was this RONG on X4.
Good press beating WRs don’t grow on trees. There were 2 of those guys in the last draft. Both drafted before we picked. The rest? Not ready to do it in their rookie years. Want an instant man beating talent. We have to trade for him. At what cost?
They’ve have had “Three Years” of failure in that regards. That’s all water under the bridge at this point!
My move for them this offseason was to sign Corey Davis. He is a legit Number 2 and could potentially be a No. 1. He has shown successful route combinations against press coverage and is a beast playing off contact with the advanced metrics to prove it along with tape. Would be a huge upgrade and would have Adams getting 1 on 1 coverage making the offense kicking on high octane. This would make Rodgers happy as well.
Move “number 2” would be to draft Kadarius Toney in the 1st round and potentially trade up into early to mid-20’s if needed. He would give us that guy in the middle of the field that could “Lose People” and another guy that can beat people off the LOS while also keeping the defense honest on misdirection plays Chunk Plays all over the place. A guy that can just open up the whole field.
These two moves would easily have the problem fixed and probably push Rodgers over the 60TD Mark and an All-Time record breaking offense and of course a WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP health depending of course.
See, these are what you call “Solutions”
Lowry and Lancaster didn't lose the game. Aaron fucking Jones contributed and Aaron fucking Rodgers contributed.
@Goalline posted:We are not super deep at WR and don’t need to be. This is not MM’s offense.
BTW, Patrick Queen was not going to carry us past Tampa last year, based on his play in a more talented Ravens defense. He’ll be good, but at the moment he is no difference maker.
1 legit superstar WR.
1 completely inconsistent, one trick pony 5th rounder
1 still developing UDFA
That's it. Doesn't matter what offense it is, you need legit WRs. I'm talking about ONE WR. I don't care if it's a guy like T.Y. Hilton who gets you 800 yards a few TDs as long as it's consistent play.
Also, I have no idea why adding a competent ILB that started as a rookie isn't a good thing when your biggest weakness on defense is a gaping hole in the middle. The suggestion that Queen by himself rockets the Packers defense into the stratosphere is absurd. He simply another competent piece to an absolutely trash position on this defense.
These mythical scenarios to poo poo actually strengthening positions of weakness is entertaining but false. Fact.
@Henry posted:If only they had more consistent talent to make it through the playoffs. It's almost like playoff football requires better preparation and higher talent levels.
It's a fact, more talent makes for better teams.
Inferring the 9ers somehow fell off a cliff rather than being completely decimated by injuries is a weak argument, like they were a fad. The entire point is when the Packers come up against teams with defenses that win championships, they lose. That simple. I don't care what team it is, solid defense, Packers lose in the playoffs.
What's funny to me is it's the same fucking scenario every time. Maybe the Packers having their own playoff level defense instead of having fucking Lancaster and Lowry as key pieces might be a something to look into? Maybe having playoff caliber WR or DT or ILB (lulz) might be something to check out?
Hey, we got a developmental, raw QB with questionable decision making skills for a 1st and a 4th while taking the first defensive player in the 5th round.
Lowry and fucking Lancaster.
That’s the other ISSUE. Your gonna pay a RB 13 million while “Team Northwestern” is manning your DL? Then you wonder why you can’t get over the hump?
“Classic”
Don’t forget about the 3rd round steal “H-Back” Degura!!!!
This debate is getting carried away, there’s really no reason to attack Brandon for his take. He may not be rong on some points, he may be dead rong on others. Being Debbie downer is not a cause for personal attacks. If it was then the Jordan Love thread should be a bloodbath.
The offense was #1 in the league for a reason and it wasn’t 100% Aaron Rodgers. Jones is a key weapon that would have been coveted in free agency, no doubt about that. GB certainly got a good deal from him and it speaks to his character and the culture they’ve created. Rodgers is on record that he loves Lazard, MVS, Jones, Tonyan, etc. We’ve been hearing people bitch about not giving him what he wants, THESE GUYS are who he wants. Start there and build further. The draft has ample WRs, plenty of UFA WR who could add depth, the off-season is not over.
People wanted “all-in”, but criticize paying Aaron Jones, you can’t have it both ways. He’s a big part of the equation to going all in because he was such a key element of the offense. How do you replace so much diverse production? It would be tough. And I seriously doubt they’re calling it a day and patting themselves on the back right now. There’s more coming in certain.
@GBFanForLife posted:Lowry and Lancaster didn't lose the game. Aaron fucking Jones contributed and Aaron fucking Rodgers contributed.
If only there were some way to overcome mistakes? Did Jones fumble out of the blue all by himself or was it a fast playing, hard hitting defense? No, couldn't be the other team making plays, it was just the Packers not executing like there was no one else on the field.
These stupid cherry picking arguments are tedious. The better team won because they had better talent that the Packers couldn't account for across the board. Brady had how many picks? Yet their defense and skill positions were enough to overcome mistakes. Not only overcome mistakes but against the TOP OFFENSE IN THE NFL that everybody likes to crow about. Doesn't mean shit if it gets shut down every single time you play a playoff caliber defense.
"Well, if they did their job". That kind of performance by Brady would've sunk any other team. Kooky, they have a level of defense that saved the day. But yeah, Lowry and Lancaster are totally legit starters for the Packers. A UDFA and half baked FA pick up at ILB makes for a legit playoff defense.
Saints are restructuring QB Taysom Hill’s contract to create cap room. Details are great: it’s a 4-year, $140 million contract extension - but all years are voidable and it’s a mechanism to free up cap space this year, per source. It saves Saints over $7.5M against cap this year.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) March 14, 2021
Yeah, because they are so many star DL just waiting to be signed for big bucks.
Which means you shouldn't even try to replace guys like Lowry and Lancaster, who are rotation at best. You shouldn't even try to address defense until the 4th, whoops!, 5th round.
Outside of KC, DT and ILB are hot garbage. Not merely weak points, they are guaranteed break points. The D had the biggest impact when Z was on the line with Gary and P at ILB. Great versatility, not sustainable overall.
Jones doesn’t fumble on that play 99 times out of 100, we know because his ratio of fumbles to touches is like 1:125. They hit a miracle Hail Mary even though GB gives up few deep shots all year. Things just fell right for TB in this one on a couple key plays. Teams were pretty even save for two oddball plays that shouldn’t have happened. That’s how it goes in the playoffs though. Who guesses a street free agent DT would press Big Ben into a pop fly INT pick 6 in a SB. Shit happens.
@Henry posted:Which means you shouldn't even try to replace guys like Lowry and Lancaster, who are rotation at best. You shouldn't even try to address defense until the 4th, whoops!, 5th round.
Outside of KC, DT and ILB are hot garbage. Not merely weak points, they are guaranteed break points. The D had the biggest impact when Z was on the line with Gary and P at ILB. Great versatility, not sustainable overall.
How do we fill every single hole instantly? If you show me I will be on board. I see a lot of vague talk about all these great players in the sky swooping in to solve all our problems. Can we have Nick Bosa tomorrow, please?
You make “replace” sound so easy. TB had cap space to burn and basically signed that whole DL to a one off contract. GB has lots of money tied up in their DL with Smiths and KC. It was a miracle they got Snacks when and how they did. Big men don’t sign for a cheap and get overdrafted constantly. It’s certainly a position you have to catch a quality guy on a rookie deal or get lucky with a washed up veteran.
Dream a little, will ya, GD? All this reality stuff is making Henry soft.
That was one option I wanted them to do. Apparently they wanted a 5th for Brockers. Could of cut Lowry and made the $ work easy but paying RB’s 13 million is a bigger priority I guess.
Wait, Brockers or Jones, you choose Brockers ???😂😂😂 I’m guessing the Rams have lost their damn minds?
@Goalline posted:How do we fill every single hole instantly? If you show me I will be on board. I see a lot of vague talk about all these great players in the sky swooping in to solve all our problems. Can we have Nick Bosa tomorrow, please?
Who said instantly? How about just trying in the first place?
Gets destroyed by 9ers run game. Does NOTHING to address the issue until the 5th round on an injury prone ILB.
Instantly?! If you don’t want me to think that quit referring to the last 2 playoff loses. We weren’t going to win those games drafting a DT in 2026.
@Goalline posted:Wait, Brockers or Jones, you choose Jones???😂😂😂 I’m guessing the Rams have lost their damn minds?
At 9 million with “Cutting Lowry” which makes it a net of about 5 million plus a 5th and shores up the D-Line I’d take Brockers cause we could still get Corey Davis with more roster maneuvering. Plus get out of it next year for 1 mill if needed.
With Jones they shot there whole load and are stuck for at least two years.
13 million for a RB rarely works out man!
So let's say Jordan Love becomes the next HOF QB for the Packers but they keep using the same philosophy. Do you think he's going to win multiple Super Bowls even with a constant middling defenses?
@Henry posted:So let's say Jordan Love becomes the next HOF QB for the Packers but they keep using the same philosophy. Do you think he's going to win multiple Super Bowls even with a constant middling defenses?
Exactly, if Rodgers can’t win with this philosophy then how the hell is Love gonna do it. He is at least gonna throw more picks!!!
@Grave Digger posted:You make “replace” sound so easy. TB had cap space to burn and basically signed that whole DL to a one off contract. GB has lots of money tied up in their DL with Smiths and KC. It was a miracle they got Snacks when and how they did. Big men don’t sign for a cheap and get overdrafted constantly. It’s certainly a position you have to catch a quality guy on a rookie deal or get lucky with a washed up veteran.
Which means you shouldn't try at all.
The reality is this. HE DIDN'T TRY AT ALL. Lowry and Lancaster ARE the scrappy rotation guys, not the starters. Ty Summers is not a legit backup ILB, he's a ST at best.
