Watson wasn’t a R1 pick though. Sorry if I didn’t say that, this pattern is limited to their 6 R1 picks (which admittedly isn’t a huge sample size for a pattern) save for Wyatt. The pattern is <22 years old, >8 RAS, and position of need. Wyatt fulfilled 2 of 3 criteria.
@Grave Digger posted:Watson wasn’t a R1 pick though. Sorry if I didn’t say that, this pattern is limited to their 6 R1 picks (which admittedly isn’t a huge sample size for a pattern) save for Wyatt. The pattern is <22 years old, >8 RAS, and position of need. Wyatt fulfilled 2 of 3 criteria.
They pretty much gave up the resources for a #1 to get him, though. That said, one of those guys would have to be there at least in the second, I think, for them to be taken by Green Bay.
The intriguing edge guy at 15 is Isaiah Foskey from Notre Dame. Like Gary, he’s a bit raw but has all the tools to be great. He can even cover a bit in drops.
Probably could use another young guy but I liked what I saw from Enagbare.
It was good to see Enagbare contribute. A lot of people thought he could go higher in last year's draft. I agree another Edge is needed for depth. Maybe if the right player drops we take one early.
Enegbare isn't often included in the apparent "hits" for Gute's 2022 draft. He should be.
With Gary coming off ACL & P. Smith being 30, I can see an edge rusher being in play for us at #15.
How's this for a mock?
15. Brian Branch S Alabama
45. Dalton Kincaid TE Utah
78. Keeanu Benton DT Wisconsin
128. K.J. Henry EDGE Clemson (traded down)
147. Jonathan Mingo WR Ole Miss
160. Julius Brents CB Kansas State (extra pick from trade)
202. Zion Nelson OT Miami (FL)
211. Chris Rodriguez Jr. RB Kentucky
221. Cornelius Johnson WR Michigan
I like the first two picks! I would be inclined to take a Center / guard or edge, rather than a d-lineman with our third pick (if any with that high a grade are left).
Well, yes...there are. It depends on what the Packers want to do with the interior. Can Myers switch to guard if we bring in a center? Tippman from Wisconsin should be an excellent center in the pros...maybe even as a guard.
As far as the Dline goes, a lot will depend on what happens with Jarran Reed and Dean Lowry. I'm really high on Benton...I like the power he displays. He's not just a nose tackle. He can penetrate, as well, much like Kenny Clark.
Well it does seem like you can never have enough good interior d-lineman. Slaton and Wyatt coming on late in the year was a big factor in our defenses improvement. Myers & Runyan are just inconsistent. They both stunk in final game vs. the Lions, getting beat for negative run gains and putting us behind the sticks. If you could get an upgrade for one of them it may help the other one. Runyan is less talented, but Myers is more up and down.
@Packmeister posted:Well, yes...there are. It depends on what the Packers want to do with the interior. Can Myers switch to guard if we bring in a center? Tippman from Wisconsin should be an excellent center in the pros...maybe even as a guard.
As far as the Dline goes, a lot will depend on what happens with Jarran Reed and Dean Lowry. I'm really high on Benton...I like the power he displays. He's not just a nose tackle. He can penetrate, as well, much like Kenny Clark.
Myers to me could make the switch. He is a local kid and he didn't play any center until he was switched a couple of years after going to O$U. His background was an OT but the team was so stacked they moved him.
Jonathan Mingo...in the mold of Deebo?
Johnny Mingo?
If we can't resign Nixon this kid my be worth a late round flyer
It would be stupid to not re-sign Nixon. Rodgers should pay him to stay.
Right? Why wouldn't we re-sign him? Didn't we learn from the whole Desmond Howard thing?
@FLPACKER posted:If we can't resign Nixon this kid my be worth a late round flyer
I like him. A bit on the small side, but he stops and pops like Barry Sanders did....very shifty, too. He could make a very good slot receiver.
There's a guy like Tyreke Hill...just get him the ball and let him do his thing...
The latest CBS Sportsline mock has the Packers taking Bijan Robinson at 15.
Dillon is due to be a FA after 23, I think. Jones is getting up there for a RB, and there’s the contract situation. Bijan has the markings of a difference-making star. I wouldn’t be upset if they grabbed him. Totally not expecting it, however.
As good as he is, with Jones and Dillon on the roster, it seems unlikely. Maybe some team will want him desperately, and trade up with us to get him.
My guess is he's off the board before 15.
Looking at some Packers draft history at RB, I noted a marked change from drafting RBs in the 1st or 2nd rounds during the 1980, and trending to 3rd/4th/5th rounds subsequently
Until Quadzilla, Eddie "China Food" Lacy (2013) was the last 2nd round pick. Brandon "B-Junk" Jackson (2007) was also a 2nd round pick. Nobody else higher than 3rd round
Najeh "The Poopster" Davenport (4th round) was picked in 2002. Otherwise, the Packers didn't pick a RB in any round from 2000-2006.
The 1990s was only slightly better. Very few picks regardless of round.
The most recent 1st round pick for a RB?
Darrell "Pookie" Thompson (1990), the 2nd (19th overall) of 2 1st round picks the Packers had that year.
This hasn't necessarily been a bad strategy. The Packers have obtained tremendous value in these middle rounds. Aaron Jones (5th round) is the best, and most recent, example.
There are other good running backs to be had later on in the upcoming draft...
@Packmeister posted:There are other good running backs to be had later on in the upcoming draft...
There is, that is always the case. This particular back is a once in a decade type, by most accounts. Talent-wise, would likely be the best back in GB in a very long time. But yes, I understand that the likelihood of drafting a RB at all early is nearly nil. I found it interesting to see him mocked to GB by a well-known site, and knowing that he is a special talent.
I'm sure I'm oversimplifying, but Gute seems to be willing to go with 'whoever' as a 3rd RB. Sure, they want that guy to be good, and have him available in case of injury, but there's a lot of turnover for that particular position.
Dexter Williams was drafted for that role, but didn't pan out.
I thought Tyler Ervin was the man at one point. Then he disappeared, never to be seen or heard from again.
Then it was going to be Kylin Hill, but ditto the disappearing act.
Now we have Patrick Taylor.
There are likely others I've forgotten about.
@Pakrz posted:Probably could use another young guy but I liked what I saw from Enagbare.
He's probably going to be a solid player, he's just never likely to be a dynamic guy off the edge. You'd like some more juice at the position and you also would really like three competent edge guys and a specialist rusher.
Ben Fennel is high on a TE coming out of NDSU, Gindorff. Underutilized but shows good traits for sundays. Thinks he'll be climbing boards in the spring. Mid round sleeper.
packers have spent like 9 picks on OL in the last three drafts without much to show for it.
@tsr86free posted:There is, that is always the case. This particular back is a once in a decade type, by most accounts. Talent-wise, would likely be the best back in GB in a very long time. But yes, I understand that the likelihood of drafting a RB at all early is nearly nil. I found it interesting to see him mocked to GB by a well-known site, and knowing that he is a special talent.
Here are some running backs I like from the 4th round on (in no particular order):
Zach Evans - Ole Miss 6' 215lbs
Chase Brown - Fighting Illini - 5'11" 205 lbs
Tyjae Spears - Tulane - 5'10" 195 lbs
Eric Gray - Oklahoma - 5'10" - 211 lbs
Kenny McIntosh - Georgia - 6'1" 210 lbs
Chris Rodriguez, Jr. - Kentucky - 5'11" 224 lbs
Mohamed Ibrahim - Minnesota - 5'10" 210 lbs (injury concerns, but the talent is there - late-round flyer to develop him)
Evan Hull - Northwestern - 5'11" 210 lbs
Hunter Luepke (FullBack) - North Dakota State - 6'1" 236 lbs
@DH13 posted:Ben Fennel is high on a TE coming out of NDSU, Gindorff. Underutilized but shows good traits for sundays. Thinks he'll be climbing boards in the spring. Mid round sleeper.
He looks all right, but not nearly enough experience. He's a 7th-rounder, or a UDFA. He only played 3 games in 2022. Must be some kind of injury he's rehabbing.
Going to hold off on TEs until I see 40 times from the combine. The 7 top TEs this season all have one thing in common ....they ran under a 4.7 forty.
IMO, if the TE is not the #1 or #2 guy, I don't want him this year. That means Mayer or Kincaid...the only two I would consider drafting, unless it's someone to develop for later on. And, they're not the same type of TE. Mayer is the one guy I feel can do everything: block, catch, etc. Kincaid might be the better runner, and maybe even a better route runner, but not the same blocker as Mayer. I'd take either one and use them slightly different.
@Packmeister posted:That is an inconvenient truth...
Please don’t bring Al Gore into this.
@Packmeister posted:Here are some running backs I like from the 4th round on (in no particular order):
Zach Evans - Ole Miss 6' 215lbs
Chase Brown - Fighting Illini - 5'11" 205 lbs
Tyjae Spears - Tulane - 5'10" 195 lbs
Eric Gray - Oklahoma - 5'10" - 211 lbs
Kenny McIntosh - Georgia - 6'1" 210 lbs
Chris Rodriguez, Jr. - Kentucky - 5'11" 224 lbs
Mohamed Ibrahim - Minnesota - 5'10" 210 lbs (injury concerns, but the talent is there - late-round flyer to develop him)
Evan Hull - Northwestern - 5'11" 210 lbs
Hunter Luepke (FullBack) - North Dakota State - 6'1" 236 lbs
Zach Evans reminds me of Patrick Taylor. He has solid long speed and looks to have decent hands. He just seems to glide when he runs some times.
I want to love Eric Gray, but he might not be quite fast enough as a human joystick even though his cuts and lateral agility are very good.
I used a new (to me at least) simulator PFN...if we could actually get this draft I would be elated (I traded the 15th and 78th pick for the 16th and 47th)
- 16.Brian BranchS AlabamaDalton KincaidTE UtahLukas Van NessEDGE IowaJoe TippmannOC WisconsinKendre MillerRB TCUShaka HeywardLB DukeAndrei IosivasWR PrincetonWill MalloryTE Miami (FL)