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@Packmeister posted:

Amari never had the moves Tank has. That being said, I doubt the Packers would select him. It will require a high pick, and I think they'd rather go with a bigger receiver.

My post was in jest.

But the Packers organization is very stupid and yeah, always has to be a "bigger" receiver, no matter the dynamics a guy like Tank can bring to an offense.

@Herschel posted:

So really, who are realistic receivers for Green Bay?

We'll take out Johnston as he'd require a first. 6'2" or taller, projected sub 4.5 40

Cedric Tillman TN

Xavier Hutchinson Iowa State (maybe sub-4.5)

Jonathan Mingo Mississippi

Dontayvion Wicks UVA

Andrei Iosivas Princeton

AT Perry Wake Forest

Puka Nacua Yale

Jaedon Haselwood AR

Jalen Wayne South Alabama (maybe sub-4.5)

Michael Jefferson LA

Justin Shorter FL

Jadakis Bonds Hampton

Joseph Ngata Clemson

Tyrone Scott Missouri State

How about Jaxson Smith Njigba, Zay Flowers, Kayshon Boutte, Jalin Hyatt or Jordan Addison?

Packers safety prospects (Best fit in Joe Barry defense from NFL.com draft profiles):

Antonio Johnson:

  • Allows too much cushion from off-man looks.



JL Skinner:

  • Takes poor angles getting to throws.



Jammie Robinson:

  • Takes poor angles getting to throws.



Anthony Johnson Jr.

  • Run-support approach often creates an all-or-nothing scenario.



Brandon Hill

  • Freestyles in space and lacks positional discipline.



Jason Taylor II

  • Mental mistakes lead to easy touchdowns.



Gervarrius Owens

  • High number of missed open-field tackles.



Trey Dean III

  • Coverage duties seem unclear way too often.
  • Mental miscues were costly to the defense.
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@Chongo posted:

https://www.si.com/nfl/packers...ers-first-round-pick

Van Ness was a productive pass rusher, even with a relatively ho-hum 6.5 sacks in 2022. NFL.com’s Daniel Jeremiah, speaking to reporters during a pre-Combine conference call, called him a “bull in a china shop” with plenty of room for improvement. He ranked 8th in the draft class in pass-rushing productivity, a Pro Football Focus metric of sacks, hits and hurries per pass-rushing snap.

Van Ness isn’t just a pass rusher. He’s got the strength and, more importantly, the demeanor to play the run and be a three-down defender.

“Playing on our side of the conference in the Big Ten West, we had a lot of running games, so you had to love the run,” he said. “It was one of the favorite parts of the game for me, getting to line up from the guy across from you, coming out of your hips and blowing them up and setting the edge.
It’s definitely one of my favorite parts of the game.”

People like to point to Mamula, but the combine is still important in evaluation. The shorter interviews kind of suck, but the medicals are invaluable and the drills do provide a direct comparison of guys ranked similarly and can help confirm what teams already think or call attention to take a second look at a guy they maybe had kind of written off. It also lets teams see what the guy is like around a "new team" rather than the college teammates they were so familiar with.

The drills are more informative to "us" in most cases, of course, since we're not on campus practice visits and can only watch so much available video. The draftnik boards will change a fair amount but the team boards very little.

@Chongo posted:

I fear Van Ness will be gone by 15...

Lots of scouting reports out there, here's one

SCOUTING REPORT By The 33rd Team on Lukas Van Ness

Positives:

  • Motor is hot and shows when pursuing a ball carrier or quarterback.
  • Utilizes length and strength to muddy rushing lanes.
  • Shows power when rushing to create leverage and overwhelm blockers.

Negatives:

  • Still raw as a rusher, lacking a repertoire of moves to deploy against blockers.
  • Can struggle to counter when anchored on, developing more moves should help with this.

Bottom Line:

Van Ness owns a long and muscular frame with good strength. He departs the line with plus speed, showing a precise punch to land his heavy hands inside. Once he is connected, immediately utilizes his length to extend, pushing blockers back while creating space to slip from. He does lack a pass-rush repertoire and questions his ability to counter once anchored against, tends to lean more on his power/length to create his pressures.

Van Ness against the run is quick to step and strike with the play strength to pry apart doubles or hold his ground versus singles. Though labored when redirecting toward the runner, he more than makes up for it with his motor once on his tracks. Overall, Van Ness has a high upside for a defender, showing success off the edge or when condensed inside to win his battles vs blockers.


Check out Guy Smiley - typical Iowa player; not much of a tan.

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