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@Fandame posted:If I recall, they really like Mannion, and KOC mentioned somewhere I read that they had wanted him as well before he joined GB. He may have gone to GB specifically to work under Clements. Hope it works out.
The Knights of Columbus (KOC) wanted him? Maybe he didn't like the hats.
Packers trade multiple firsts for Myles Garrett then send Garrett out to read the Browns 23rd pick in Green Bay.
— Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) February 3, 2025
Imagine the pop of the crowd.
I still don’t understand why the Raiders get mentioned when a player wants to be traded. They have been one of the most dysfunctional teams over the past 30+ years, I just don’t get that
Garrett will end up with Wash, Minnesota or Detroit somehow. Or the damn Chiefs.
@lovepack posted:Garrett will end up with Wash, Minnesota or Detroit somehow. Or the damn Chiefs.
SF is likely going all in in 2025.
Kittle, Trent Williams, Deebo, McCaffrey and even Bosa are aging.
Shanahan & Lynch are feeling the heat.
The NFC West is relatively weak (GB went 4-0 against it in 2024).
The Niners have by far the easiest schedule in the NFL in 2025 and one of the easiest I can ever remember - Jags, Titans, Panthers, Bears, and Falcons at home & at Colts, Saints, Giants (plus Texans and Bucs).
SF has a ton of draft capital in this draft and SF trades draft picks for players (McCaffery, Williams).
I'd put the Niners right at the top of Garrett's landing spots.
Myles Garrett & Maxx Crosby will be in Green Bay
Reggie White was a FA…he didn’t cost any draft picks. Crosby and Garrett will both cost draft capital.
Reggie was a generational talent…he made everyone around him exponentially better at every team he played for. Crosby and Garrett are elite…but are they worth multiple picks including at least one if not multiple firsts? Not so sure in Gutey’s mind.
I was informed that the team will be seeking a trade immediately and will be working with me and my family to find the right place to continue competing for championships. I don’t agree with the decision and always believed it was going to begin and end in LA.
— Cooper Kupp (@CooperKupp) February 4, 2025
Still, if there’s… pic.twitter.com/XWmbGVscGy
@Chongo posted:Reggie White was a FA…he didn’t cost any draft picks. Crosby and Garrett will both cost draft capital.
Reggie was a generational talent…he made everyone around him exponentially better at every team he played for. Crosby and Garrett are elite…but are they worth multiple picks including at least one if not multiple firsts? Not so sure in Gutey’s mind.
In Gutekunst's end of year presser he was asked about giving up draft capital for a proven vet.
His quick reply was "You better get it right."
He then continued and my take away is it's possible, but it's gotta be extremely high value, because of the trade off. Picks/players with lower cost, for 1 player with higher cost.
You better get it right.
Send Cleveland Van Ness, two cases of Spotted Cow, two Sevenths and sweeten the deal with Robert Ferguson.
Draft capital can sometimes be overrated. "You better get it right" can also refer to trades/FA signings you opted NOT to make.
@YooperPackfan posted:I still don’t understand why the Raiders get mentioned when a player wants to be traded. They have been one of the most dysfunctional teams over the past 30+ years, I just don’t get that
Vegas baby.
Like all of these " first round defensive players on the Packers are pro bowlers ! If you can trade this year's no. 1 for Crosby or Garrett you do it. Because you know Detoilet or the Vicklings will and you'll be fighting the Bares for 3rd and your 1st rounder will be on IR.
Cleveland has zero incentive to win this year. It’s the race to tank to get into the Arch Manning sweepstakes.
So, if I’m the Browns, I want as much draft capital as possible to secure the 1 overall pick in 2026.
So, I’m not actually sure how much value the Packers picks would hold.
@Tavis Smiley posted:Vegas baby.
It was going on when they were in Oakland
@Boris posted:I was informed that the team will be seeking a trade immediately and will be working with me and my family to find the right place to continue competing for championships. I don’t agree with the decision and always believed it was going to begin and end in LA.
— Cooper Kupp (@CooperKupp) February 4, 2025
Still, if there’s… pic.twitter.com/XWmbGVscGy
He was their Jordy Nelson. A great WR.
During their run of 7 straight AFC Championship and 5 Super Bowl appearances, the Chiefs have twice traded 1st round picks (for DE Frank Clark and OT Orlando Brown). They have also traded other round 2-5 picks for players.
KC’s opponent in this year’s Super Bowl — for the second time in 3 years, the Philadelphia Eagles traded a 1st round pick for WR AJ Brown.
Philly also traded picks for starting CB Darius Slay and traded for starting Safety Gardner-Johnson.
Last year’s NFC Super Bowl participant the SF 49ers traded for RB Christian McCaffery and LT Trent Williams.
When the LA Rams traded 1st and several other round picks for Matthew Stanford, Von Miller, and Jalen Ramsey on their way to winning the SB in 2021, many Packer fans scoffed at how LA had mortgaged their future. In 2023, LA made the playoffs and in 2024 LA advanced further in the playoffs than did the GB Packers.
The record reveals that the Packers under Ted Thompson and his protege Brian Gutekunst have made fewer trades of draft picks FOR players than any NFL team over the past two decades. That said, Gutekunst has proven more willing to send a 7th round pick (but nothing higher) away to acquire a player than was his predecessor. (Conversely, GB has been quite willing to trade AWAY its own players to accumulate additional draft picks).
Given that no franchise values its draft picks more than the Packers, trading away premium draft picks FOR a Myles Garrett (or a Maxx Crosby or anyone else for that matter) would mark a significant deviation from standard Packer operating procedure.
@YooperPackfan posted:It was going on when they were in Oakland
Oakland baby!
@PackLandVA posted:Draft capital can sometimes be overrated. "You better get it right" can also refer to trades/FA signings you opted NOT to make.
The problem with "you better get it right" is that your chances are only about 50/50 with a First Round Draft choice , whereas they are probably about 90% with a proven veteran.
@SteveLuke posted:During their run of 7 straight AFC Championship and 5 Super Bowl appearances, the Chiefs have twice traded 1st round picks (for DE Frank Clark and OT Orlando Brown). They have also traded other round 2-5 picks for players.
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How many draft picks did they trade for refs?
It'll take way more than a RD1, depending on where the offering team is picking. But regardless, some team with more cap space and higher draft picks will be hard for GB to overcome. And then pay him to be the highest paid defender in the league. Based on what we've seen from him, I just don't see Gute doing that. He'll bring in a couple guys this offseason but I don't think Garrett is one of them.
Browns get: 2025 first-round pick (No. 23), 2026 conditional second-round pick and DE Lukas Van Ness
Packers get: Garrett
Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst said at his season-ending news conference that it’s time for the team to start competing for championships, and that urgency needs to be greater. Those directives include him, too, and that’s why the Packers should be in on a future first-ballot Hall of Famer still in his prime. Coach Matt LaFleur recently fired defensive line coach Jason Rebrovich after a season in which Gutekunst said the pass rush was too inconsistent. A six-time All-Pro might help fix that.
I’m proposing the Packers send the Browns the No. 23 pick in the 2025 draft, a conditional second-rounder in the 2026 draft that becomes a first if Garrett is a first-team All-Pro in 2025, and Van Ness, a 2023 first-rounder with plenty of potential who has yet to break out.
The Packers don’t historically make moves like this, and Gutekunst acknowledged that in January when addressing the hypothetical of trading premium draft capital for an established veteran. But this case is different and worthy of sacrificing prized pick capital in pursuit of a title, and it would elevate one of the NFL’s best defenses even higher. Plus, Browns writer (and GM in this exercise) Zac Jackson thinks the starting price will be two first-round picks. I’m trying to make a deal here, people. — Matt Schneidman
@H5 posted:In Gutekunst's end of year presser he was asked about giving up draft capital for a proven vet.
His quick reply was "You better get it right."
He then continued and my take away is it's possible, but it's gotta be extremely high value, because of the trade off. Picks/players with lower cost, for 1 player with higher cost.
You better get it right.
Not saying it's impossible just improbable. Gutey has no problem taking a big swing at adding talent...via the FA market. That costs zero picks.
I think the lower the pick, the more likely he is to deal it. Malik Willis only costing a 7th as an example.
If the Jets let Tae go for a 3rd (what they paid for him) and potentially a conditional late round pick down the road, I could see it happening. If they start getting looney and asking for a 2nd or higher, it ain't happening here.
And as much as the Sconnie Honkerati want it to happen, I just don't think Kupp is in the cards. More likely than say a Tee Higgins, but significantly less likely than #17 coming back.
Another interesting deal with the draft in Green Bay this year and Browns tanking would be Garrett and maybe a day 3 for Van Ness, this year’s #2, 2025 1st and 3rd. That would give the Browns more flexibility for a QB next year.
Packers Trade back from #23 to pick up another day 2 pick this year and maybe next, depending on how far back. Say Kansas City offers the #32, their 3rd and maybe a 5th this year and 3rd next year, for #23. Premier player plus an “extra” couple of picks this year and only down one pick for next.
The #Packers are expected to promote Sean Duggan to linebackers coach, per source. A valued assistant for Jeff Hafley going back to Boston College, where he played LB and later was co-DC.
— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) February 4, 2025
Odds on that exact scenario? Approximately zero.
It's going to take more than 1R23, LVN and a conditional to get Garrett. And there are likely more than one other team interested that is positioned higher in the draft.
All 30 of the others team's fan bases are coming up with similar scenarios as ours are.
@DH13 posted:It's going to take more than 1R23, LVN and a conditional to get Garrett. And there are likely more than one other team interested that is positioned higher in the draft.
Very true and IMHO it would take more than one first it may take 2-3 to get him. But, the more I think about it its the Browns so they may not want much.
@Fedya posted:Why would the Browns take Van Ness?
Well they took a previous 1st round bust off our hands in Damarious Randall.
Of course the also pawned off DeShone Kizer in that lose-lose deal.