Official General 2021 Offseason Thread

@GB-Brandon posted:

No, I don’t believe there has been enough urgency and that they have gotten way too cute about things overall. Building a winning team and a Super Bowl Champion are two completely different things. The league is way too competitive and IMO they have relied way too much on Rodgers being the equalizer rather then building a roster and sometimes even a coaching staff that can step on opponents throats.

You keep wanting to compare us to “Other Teams” but I don’t get caught up so much into that or that rabbit hole because we have had AR12 who is arguably the best of all time. We can even run it back farther to the last 30 years which we have had HOF QB play with only two world championships to show for. So yes, the franchise has been successful in securing those QB’s but has not been successful in maximizing that talent in terms of WNNING WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP’S!

At the end of the end of the day what is your benchmark of success?  Is it division titles and some playoff wins?  Or is it winning Lombardi Trophies?  Because if it is winning Lombardi Trophies “Your Missing The Mark” and something needs to change about how your going about things!!  To continue the same behavior and expect a different result is “INSANITY.”  I didn’t know comparing ourselves to the Minnesota’s and Detroit’s of the World was an Option!

So you completely dodge my question - because rabbit hole?? - or because an honest answer would blow a huge hole in your entire theory. And then you want to ask me questions? Sorry, that's not how this works.

Now as far as not putting enough talent on the field, how about those teams that lost the championship games.

2014 Packers. Enough talent to go to and win a Super Bowl? You better fucking believe it. 5 minutes left with possession of the ball and a 12 point lead. They didn't get there being lucky. They had no business losing that game because they were the best team in the NFC when January rolled around.

2016 Packers. Maybe they had enough talent before the injuries leading up to and during the Atlanta game but definitely not after that. So I'll just call this one a no.

2019 Packers. Basically the same team as 2020, just Jimmy Graham instead of Bob Tonyan. They had the talent but the first year of MLF's offense was klunky. It wasn't ready yet. The Niners were a clearly better team.

2020 Packers. They absolutely 100% had enough talent to win the Super Bowl. No question here. Don't forget in the biggest game three of their blue chip players (Adams, Jones and Rodgers) had key mistakes that either took points off the board or handed points to Tampa Bay. You can have an All Pro at every position but when your All Pro's make mistakes they cost just as much as any other player.

The front office had a bad run of drafts near the end of TT's run. Murphy waited to long to pull the plug on TT and McCarthy. There's been a few bad contracts and bad free agent signings. But this is still the most successful franchise that doesn't employ Bill Belichick, rabbit hold be damned.

Tramon Williams just announced his retirement on Twitter in a long thread, last tweet here:  

“  @HighRizer22: Thank you Gutey, for bringing me back and allowing me to finish this journey in the green and yellow 38 jersey! That meant everything to me! No matter what jersey I wore, I always carried the G! #38 is clocking out at 38! “

On his 38th birthday and with 38 career picks, No. 38 has retired.

Great Packer! Thanks Ted!

@PackerHawk posted:

So you completely dodge my question - because rabbit hole?? - or because an honest answer would blow a huge hole in your entire theory. And then you want to ask me questions? Sorry, that's not how this works.

Now as far as not putting enough talent on the field, how about those teams that lost the championship games.

2014 Packers. Enough talent to go to and win a Super Bowl? You better fucking believe it. 5 minutes left with possession of the ball and a 12 point lead. They didn't get there being lucky. They had no business losing that game because they were the best team in the NFC when January rolled around.

2016 Packers. Maybe they had enough talent before the injuries leading up to and during the Atlanta game but definitely not after that. So I'll just call this one a no.

2019 Packers. Basically the same team as 2020, just Jimmy Graham instead of Bob Tonyan. They had the talent but the first year of MLF's offense was klunky. It wasn't ready yet. The Niners were a clearly better team.

2020 Packers. They absolutely 100% had enough talent to win the Super Bowl. No question here. Don't forget in the biggest game three of their blue chip players (Adams, Jones and Rodgers) had key mistakes that either took points off the board or handed points to Tampa Bay. You can have an All Pro at every position but when your All Pro's make mistakes they cost just as much as any other player.

The front office had a bad run of drafts near the end of TT's run. Murphy waited to long to pull the plug on TT and McCarthy. There's been a few bad contracts and bad free agent signings. But this is still the most successful franchise that doesn't employ Bill Belichick, rabbit hold be damned.

It depends what your “Measure of Success” is? If it’s winning Super Bowls or even appearances over the last 10 years then no your not really there or in the discussion cause we don’t have even one of either as it’s 2021 now!  If division titles and beating the Bears gets you off then have a party!

The Packers front office “Hasn’t Done Enough” and if they did then they would have MORE TO SHOW FOR  with once again arguably the greatest thrower of the football of all-time! It’s actually embarrassing they don’t!!

From overall talent issues to hanging on to certain coaches for too long they have covered all the bases!

Technically its been 10 years and 38 days since our last SB win. How many teams have multiple SB wins in that time period? Does anyone which teams have been to a conference championship more times than GB since then? Only NE. I'm not praising championship game appearances, the only goal should be to win SBs, but GB is not especially bad at anything compared to the rest of the league. They've had as much or more of a consistent chance of winning a SB since 2010 compared to the rest of the league even though other teams also have HOF QBs, coaches, GMs, whatever. Again, NE is an outlier, GB is doing what the rest of the upper echelon teams are doing. This is how football should be, the NFL shouldn't be a contest to see who gets to play NE in the Super Bowl every year, and the expectation shouldn't be what NE is doing...what are PIT, BAL, KC, SEA, NO, etc. doing. We look great compared to the Bears and Lions and Bengals, but also compared to consistent performing teams we still look good. 

This constant attitude is exactly why the organization can’t get over the hump. It’s the very thing that holds us back and it goes all the way up to the front office.  This constant need to explain away the failure rather then look in the mirror and fix what is done continuously wrong over and over and over and over!!!

Im thoroughly convinced it’s never going to change either!! Rodgers has been propping the whole thing up and when he leaves reality is going to hit harder then Green Bay wind chill in Mid February!

Maybe you should find a new team then if GB is so frustrating. Football doesn't seem fun for you.

Then leave. I mean, life is good if you are a Packers fan.  They will be in the mix again in 2021.  

@Grave Digger posted:

Maybe you should find a new team then if GB is so frustrating. Football doesn't seem fun for you.

That’s not possible. I’m Tatt’d and born into this.  I will be making some decisions and changes though.  Probably turn my house here into an Airbnb and selling my season tickets before the bottom drops out.

@Tschmack posted:

Then leave. I mean, life is good if you are a Packers fan.  They will be in the mix again in 2021.  

We’ll see. Gonna be tougher then last year.  They will have 10 playoff teams on the schedule if they add the Chiefs game.  I don’t see them getting any better.

@Grave Digger posted:

Maybe you should find a new team then if GB is so frustrating. Football doesn't seem fun for you.

Can you kindly send GM Brandon the link to the X4  Forum for Omniscients, that way he can hang out with his peers.

Also - I'm practicing my kegels now. Someday I hope to be as verklempt as necessary to bring home another Title.

( I had not previously realized how detrimental my Lassie Fair attitude was to the teams' success)

@Tschmack posted:

Then leave. I mean, life is good if you are a Packers fan.  They will be in the mix again in 2021.  

How far off the rails does someone have to be to have Tschmack as their positive voice of reason?

@ilcuqui posted:

Tramon Williams just announced his retirement on Twitter in a long thread, last tweet here:  

“  @HighRizer22: Thank you Gutey, for bringing me back and allowing me to finish this journey in the green and yellow 38 jersey! That meant everything to me! No matter what jersey I wore, I always carried the G! #38 is clocking out at 38! “

On his 38th birthday and with 38 career picks, No. 38 has retired.

Great Packer! Thanks Ted!

One of my favorite Packers of all time. Such an intelligent and thoughtful guy. He's like the DB version of Aaron Rodgers. Not talent wise, but personality and attitude.

@GB-Brandon posted:

This constant attitude is exactly why the organization can’t get over the hump. I guarantee you the organization does not have that attitude.

It’s the very thing that holds us back and it goes all the way up to the front office. Us, not the FO.

This constant need to explain away the failure rather then look in the mirror and fix what is done continuously wrong over and over and over and over!!!  Every year there are 31 Teams that fail. Also every year there are 6, or maybe 8, teams who truly have a chance at success. The Packers have been consistently in the 6-8 teams since shortly after you stopped watching games from grandpa's lap.

Im thoroughly convinced it’s never going to change either!! GD is right, find another team. Rodgers has been propping the whole thing up and when he leaves reality is going to hit harder then Green Bay wind chill in Mid February!  As long as the TV movie flows and there is a salary cap, it'll never get as bad as it was like before you were born.

@H5 posted:

Aaron Rodgers needs to find a new team!!

@GB-Brandon posted:

... selling my season tickets before the bottom drops out.

The waitlist to get Packers season tickets has become legendary, as the team has sold out its season tickets at Lambeau every year since 1960. As it currently stands, the waiting list for season tickets is over 130,000 names long, with an approximate waiting time of up to 30 years after putting your name on the list.

Soon to be slightly less than 30 years.

I remember going to 3-5 home games (BiL had tix for MKE and GB) every year from ~'74 -'78. Cheered wildly every game. Great times.

Thanks guys for telling me how the season tickets work!  Very helpful if you!!!

@GB-Brandon posted:

Aaron Rodgers needs to find a new team!!

Or maybe the team needs to find a new Aaron Rodgers! You know who hasn’t lost 4 NFCC?

The Love Machine. Undefeated in the playoffs unlike Aaron Rodgers...

@Grave Digger posted:

Or maybe the team needs to find a new Aaron Rodgers! You know who hasn’t lost 4 NFCC?

The Love Machine. Undefeated in the playoffs unlike Aaron Rodgers...

Yep, Airbnb here we go!!!  I’m not doing 4-12 in freezing temps. Enjoy it man!!!!  

My wife has been wanting to be in Tamp  and bugging me for awhile now!

Henry is in Florida, I’m sure he would be willing to shelter you until you all found something.

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@GB-Brandon posted:

Aaron Rodgers needs to find a new team!!

Rodgers leaves right now and they will have 0 chance of even sniffing another Lombardi for the next 2-3 years. Rodgers stays and they continue to be one of the 6-8 teams with a shot at the Owl.

@H5 posted:

Rodgers leaves right now and they will have 0 chance of even sniffing another Lombardi for the next 2-3 years. Rodgers stays and they continue to be one of the 6-8 teams with a shot at the Owl.

That’s why I’m so sour cause I thinks Gute’s  Ego has him going with his beloved Pick. Otherwise we would see a long term extension with Rodgers and more $ and spending.

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO REPEAT THIS!!!!!!!!!

@Satori posted:

Can you kindly send GM Brandon the link to the X4  Forum for Omniscients, that way he can hang out with his peers.

Also - I'm practicing my kegels now. Someday I hope to be as verklempt as necessary to bring home another Title.

( I had not previously realized how detrimental my Lassie Fair attitude was to the teams' success)

That’s why I’m so sour

I figured you were just naturally sour.

I’m bullish on the Packers for the simple reason they SHOULD have been in and won the Super Bowl this year.  The way their season ended reminds me of 1995 and 2009.  They had Dallas on the ropes in ‘95 and let them off the hook (thanks Brent) and obviously the soul crushing loss to Arizona in ‘09 motivated both teams to get over the next year.

Rodgers played at an elite level this year and something tells me the Packers will be ready for Tampa- assuming it’s not the Rams or some other team that jumps up to challenge for the crown.  

My optimism went way up after they brought back Jones and signed Tonyan to the tender.  Yes they need to replace the center, but they have some decent OL and can still upgrade.

@GB-Brandon posted:

That’s why I’m so sour cause I thinks Gute’s  Ego has him going with his beloved Pick. Otherwise we would see a long term extension with Rodgers and more $ and spending.

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO REPEAT THIS!!!!!!!!!

Apparently 1,347,572 times.  On this thread alone.  Talking louder doesn't make you smarter.

@GB-Brandon posted:

That’s not possible. I’m Tatt’d and born into this.  I will be making some decisions and changes though.  Probably turn my house here into an Airbnb and selling my season tickets before the bottom drops out.

Born into it but bailing when the times get tough.

True fan then, eh?

@Grave Digger posted:

Henry is in Florida, I’m sure he would be willing to shelter you until you all found something.

@EC Pack posted:

Born into it but bailing when the times get tough.

True fan then, eh?

I can only commit as far as they can. Right now the front office looks like it’s playing “Twister”. They have themselves going is so many different directions that a savvy fan knows where it all leads in the end which is probably falling short.

I’ve been on a lot of these rides. I was at Seattle and Atlanta for those Champ Games!  They need to show me something other then making moves for “Three Years Down The Road.”

@GB-Brandon posted:

That’s why I’m so sour cause I thinks Gute’s  Ego has him going with his beloved Pick. Otherwise we would see a long term extension with Rodgers and more $ and spending.

Gute’s ego?  Talk about the kettle calling the kettle black.  

@EC Pack posted:

Born into it but bailing when the times get tough.

True fan then, eh?

Secret Vikings fan? Not you, EC, but Brandon...

You call yourself a savvy fan?   Just do an I'm leaving thread and GTFO!!!

Someone explain why they haven’t restructured Rodgers?  Why?  

Enlighten me please!!!

I think your time here is short.

Thanks for making me feel better about myself.

@GB-Brandon posted:

Someone explain why they haven’t restructured Rodgers?  Why?  

Enlighten me please!!!

Idot Brandon keeps harping about Gutey extending/restructure AR12.  How in the hell does he know if Gutey approached AR12 and he doesn't want to extend?  Maybe he justs wants to play out the contract and hang it up, maybe even retire earlier than many think.  Sure he said before he wanted to play into his 40's but that was before his engagement. With the Packers always being so tight lipped about goings on at 1265 Brandon don't know shit.

@GB-Brandon posted:

I can only commit as far as they can. Right now the front office looks like it’s playing “Twister”. They have themselves going is so many different directions that a savvy fan knows where it all leads in the end which is probably falling short.

I’ve been on a lot of these rides. I was at Seattle and Atlanta for those Champ Games!  They need to show me something other then making moves for “Three Years Down The Road.”

How old are you? All front offices have to be looking everywhere; it's not a one-position sport. And every year, 31 teams fall short.

You were at Seattle and Atlanta? Bully for you. You saw some horrible coaching in Seattle plus a boneheaded play by a backup TE who is probably selling cars today. In Atlanta, you saw a team that wasn't ready to compete, led by a coach who should have been out the door before the year started who was employed by a GM who was not well. No excuses, just facts.

If my team wasn't looking three years down the road and was instead thinking of "just next year" every year, I'd look for a new team to follow because my team would be going nowhere every year.

@GB-Brandon posted:

That’s not possible. I’m Tatt’d and born into this.  I will be making some decisions and changes though.  Probably turn my house here into an Airbnb and selling my season tickets before the bottom drops out.

I'm certain the Airbnb business will be fruitful for you.

And don't let the blue tarp hit you in the ass on the way out !

@Grave Digger posted:

Or maybe the team needs to find a new Aaron Rodgers! You know who hasn’t lost 4 NFCC?

The Love Machine. Undefeated in the playoffs unlike Aaron Rodgers...

You just made Henry super soft.

The key to him being a troll was when he did not know how the Packs season tickets work. You can only sell your tix on the open market if you remain a season ticket holder. If you don't want to be a season ticket holder you have 2 options: 1: Relinquish your season tix by not paying the yearly fee. In that case they revert to the next person on the waiting list, and the seat licensing fee is returned to the original ticket holder. The new tix holder pays a seat license fee to maintain rights to continue purchasing season tix.  2: Transfer your season tix account to a close relative, and I mean a close relative. In that event, I believe, the new account of the relative pays a new seat license fee (same as the original one) and the original holder gets the license fee back. Of course some close family member could give him a "bonus" amount of cash to transfer tix to them.

IOW, the troll cant just "sell" his rights to season tix. He can only sell tix if he remains a season ticket holder.