@GB-Brandon posted:You must have a thing for Kwik Trip cause you keep bringing it up and I don’t go there!!
You have no appreciation for the inside joke that's connected to because you spend too much time on Rube Chat. Go back there.
@YATittle posted:You have no appreciation for the inside joke that's connected to because you spend too much time on Rube Chat. Go back there.
Ive never even heard of “Rube Chat”. Sorry!
I’m like an open book and have been on two other forums in my entire life. I’m not on any other Packer Social media sites etc etc! I hardly even use Twitter.
I Have never said I have known anything about “Gute’s Conversations” etc etc. I follow what Gute’s “Actions” are and I have heard rumors & mumblings of what AR12 wants so between it all and by the decisions the Packers continue to make leads me to my current calculations and take! Generally where there is smoke there is fire and the fact the Packers have extended everybody under the sun but Aaron Rodgers further pushes it. Once again I would like nothing more then Rodgers to get this massive 5 year Extension but with all the top free agents now off the board I believe that’s a Giant Fairy Tale at this point!
if you or anyone else has a better theory then great! I’m sticking to mine.
@GB-Brandon posted:Ive never even heard of “Rube Chat”. Sorry!
Oh No! That means there are 2 of them out there!!!
I Believe this:
I’m not on any other Packer Social media sites
My theory if I understand the cap correctly is pushing Rodgers out to 5 years is the worst that could happen. What if he retires in 2 years, all this money is then a dead cap hit in 2023. That would be near criminal on Guteys part. Talk about cap hell. But Brandon just wants to play fantasy football, not real cap dollars.
I keep trying brother but he's sort of addicting in a bad way.
You can’t quit him, eh?
@ammo posted:I keep trying brother but he's sort of addicting in a bad way.
Rehab?
@ammo posted:My theory if I understand the cap correctly is pushing Rodgers out to 5 years is the worst that could happen. What if he retires in 2 years, all this money is then a dead cap hit in 2023. That would be near criminal on Guteys part. Talk about cap hell. But Brandon just wants to play fantasy football, not real cap dollars.
Yeah because I’m sure Rodgers main objective is to sell the Packers on a 5 year extension and then retire on them and take the $ and run. It’s been the Packer front office playing all the games after all. Certain retirement provisions could be put into a new deal as well.
But hey “The 1 + 4 = 5” is gone. You can burn it!! That ship has pretty much sailed. As it sits right now Rodgers can’t even get Gute to convert some of his $ on his current deal to go get him a WR!! Or anything else for that matter!!!
Have you bought your Jordan Love jersey yet? I got a cool link where you can get a discount!
I’m not gonna do a “Disappointment of the Day” because there are just too many to list!
You still being here is disappointing enough.
@PackerHawk posted:I think that's one of the reasons they let Jamal walk. They have two important RB roles filled with Jones and Dillon. For the 3rd RB they should have that guy that can return kickoffs and run the jet sweep. A guy like Ervin but more talented and less prone to getting injured.
They have that RB on the practice squad from Memphis, Taylor(?) that could be used as a returner. Begelton, too.
You push Rodgers and that contract money down the road and it really flips things (control) in Rodgers favor. From a business standpoint, I’m not sure that’s a good idea.
12 may not like it, and it’s possible he may pull a Russ Wilson or Deshaun Watson, but the teams still have most of the leverage and you would always prefer that if you are Murphy or Ball or Gute.
Players can’t have it both ways. Rodgers signed that monster, long term contract, and last season he was great. But you don’t want to hedge your bets too much and also give him all the control either. What if Rodgers gets hurt or reverts back to 2019 or 2018 performance? All of a sudden that possible extension could really put you in a bind. The bottom line is if you want more control, then sign a shorter term deal. You give up long term security, but you also gain the ability to pick and choose where and when you go.
If I’m the Packers, I’m seeing what teams like the Lions got back for trading their star QB. Leave your options open and take it year by year. Rodgers could decide he just wants to start a family and walk away. We don’t know.
@YATittle posted:Offers made. Lazard will be back.
I'm glad to see Lazard will be back. I believe he is an essential cog in the offense, and we're better with him than without.
I'm not sure what the team sees in Yosh and Taylor at this point, but I don't have a problem trusting Gute & co. knows what's best.
I agree on Taylor. Yosh is a physical specimen that if he develops could be quite useful.
@Tschmack posted:You push Rodgers and that contract money down the road and it really flips things (control) in Rodgers favor. From a business standpoint, I’m not sure that’s a good idea.
12 may not like it, and it’s possible he may pull a Russ Wilson or Deshaun Watson, but the teams still have most of the leverage and you would always prefer that if you are Murphy or Ball or Gute.
Players can’t have it both ways. Rodgers signed that monster, long term contract, and last season he was great. But you don’t want to hedge your bets too much and also give him all the control either. What if Rodgers gets hurt or reverts back to 2019 or 2018 performance? All of a sudden that possible extension could really put you in a bind. The bottom line is if you want more control, then sign a shorter term deal. You give up long term security, but you also gain the ability to pick and choose where and when you go.
If I’m the Packers, I’m seeing what teams like the Lions got back for trading their star QB. Leave your options open and take it year by year. Rodgers could decide he just wants to start a family and walk away. We don’t know.
If anybody has the right to Bitch about this Yellow Belly’d Front Office and ask for his contract to be leveraged for more help it’s Aaron Rodgers. Risk vs Reward is with any contract. No different then the Packers making Bak the highest paid tackle of all time and then him blowing out his knee. No different then the Packers currently spreading out dead $ across players that have nowhere near the production history of Aaron Rodgers!
This “Settling Down & Having a Family” thing is just hilarious!! It’s not like he is a member of some Rock Band touring across the country in a bus. My God!!! Come up with something that’s at least believable!! He has said he wants to play into his 40’s multiple times and has shown no physical regression from that not happening.
The proof is clearly on display RIGHT NOW that the Packers aren’t gonna do anything special to get over the hump with Aaron Rodgers. They should really just trade him as they don’t have the Balls to make anything significant happen!! Let Aaron Rodgers go somewhere where he can get the support he needs and carry on with this Mindless & Endless Build up that is never complete!!!
@Tschmack posted:Rodgers could decide he just wants to start a family and walk away. We don’t know.
I think we can all agree that we wish Brandon (Jaymo's) folks hadn't started a family.
@mrtundra posted:They have that RB on the practice squad from Memphis, Taylor(?) that could be used as a returner. Begelton, too.
I've heard a couple of people rave about Taylor.
Were you at the Quick Trip or the AppleBeas?
So as far I can tell, since the NFCCG loss, the Packers roster currently has materially changed as follows:
As we all know, there have been no additions to the roster to date.
Lost RB2 Williams (RB3 Dillon should be able to step in here);
Lost RB-Gadget (Ervin was effective but always hurt while Austin added nothing, but there is no one to play this role currently on roster unless they ask Aaron Jones to add this to his repertoire);
Lost T3 Wagner (who filled in admirably in 2020 until getting exposed in the NFCCG -- no one currently on roster who can be counted on to fill his role);
Lost C Linsley (All-Pro player, uncertain who will be replacing him);
Lost TE2 Lewis (The only “blocking” TE is not currently on the roster and Sternberger ain’t gonna replace him, though Degaura might help fill this void if Lewis is not re-signed);
DL 3, 5 and 6 (Lancaster and M. Adams were never any good and Snacks hardly played, but other than Clark, unproven Keke, and overpaid JAG Lowry, there are not even any other JAGs at the moment along the defensive line) ;
ILB2 (Kirksey may not have been much, but he was far better than Martin in 2020, so that leaves the latest average at best Packer ILB in Barnes, 2 JAGs at best in Summers and Burks, and the unproven Martin);
CB2 (The complete lack of interest shown in King in FA thus far is damning evidence of what the NFL thinks about him, but he got all the playing time ahead of J. Jackson so that is not exactly a ringing endorsement of the 2018 2nd rounder); and
S3-4 (Losing the always injured Greene and untalented Redmond may be blessings in disguise, but they sure did get a lot of playing time the last 2 seasons).
Man it’s a good thing the season doesn’t start tomorrow. Steve has me convinced already to not watch a game all year 😂. I should probably add GB Brandon to that as well.
@SteveLuke posted:So as far I can tell, since the NFCCG loss, the Packers roster currently has materially changed as follows:
I know I’m a month early on this, but:
Just like Viking fans celebrating the SB in April, it’s March. 
The current roster almost certainly will not be the roster in July, let alone the roster at the start of the season.
@PackerBackerDPM posted:Man it’s a good thing the season doesn’t start tomorrow. Steve has me convinced already to not watch a game all year 😂. I should probably add GB Brandon to that as well.
I wouldn't watch GB Brandon either!
Is it time yet to go “Live” and head over to Lambeau and do some Cartwheels?
@SteveLuke posted:So as far I can tell, since the NFCCG loss, the Packers roster currently has materially changed as follows:
As we all know, there have been no additions to the roster to date.
Lost RB2 Williams (RB3 Dillon should be able to step in here);
Lost RB-Gadget (Ervin was effective but always hurt while Austin added nothing, but there is no one to play this role currently on roster unless they ask Aaron Jones to add this to his repertoire);
Lost T3 Wagner (who filled in admirably in 2020 until getting exposed in the NFCCG -- no one currently on roster who can be counted on to fill his role);
Lost C Linsley (All-Pro player, uncertain who will be replacing him);
Lost TE2 Lewis (The only “blocking” TE is not currently on the roster and Sternberger ain’t gonna replace him, though Degaura might help fill this void if Lewis is not re-signed);
DL 3, 5 and 6 (Lancaster and M. Adams were never any good and Snacks hardly played, but other than Clark, unproven Keke, and overpaid JAG Lowry, there are not even any other JAGs at the moment along the defensive line) ;
ILB2 (Kirksey may not have been much, but he was far better than Martin in 2020, so that leaves the latest average at best Packer ILB in Barnes, 2 JAGs at best in Summers and Burks, and the unproven Martin);
CB2 (The complete lack of interest shown in King in FA thus far is damning evidence of what the NFL thinks about him, but he got all the playing time ahead of J. Jackson so that is not exactly a ringing endorsement of the 2018 2nd rounder); and
S3-4 (Losing the always injured Greene and untalented Redmond may be blessings in disguise, but they sure did get a lot of playing time the last 2 seasons).
I’m still hopeful we can sign Swerve. Guy added a lot to our offense. I hoping for Marcedes, too. Both LaFleur and Rodgers rave about him as a locker room leader and his blocking is solid.
@RoyalWulff posted:I’m still hopeful we can sign Swerve. Guy added a lot to our offense. I hoping for Marcedes, too. Both LaFleur and Rodgers rave about him as a locker room leader and his blocking is solid.
I want to find a guy LIKE Swerve in the draft. Agree on Marcedes.
@PackLandVA posted:I know I’m a month early on this, but:
Just like Viking fans celebrating the SB in April, it’s March.
The current roster almost certainly will not be the roster in July, let alone the roster at the start of the season.
Gee willikers, thanks for edification.
I mean with the draft coming up next month, how could I have possibly overlooked the fact that the Packers current roster will not be the exact same roster come July or the start of the season? 
Now, referencing a completely unrelated and distinct issue, the record reflects that 21 of the 22 starters in the two 2020 season playoff games (as well as the Kicker and Punter) were already on roster at this point in 2020. The only playoff game starter who was added to the roster after the first week of free agency last year was the relatively inconsequential undrafted rookie free agent Krys Barnes.
Taking a look at snap counts from throughout the season and specifically the playoff games confirms that the Packers got very little out of anyone who was added to the roster after March 17, 2020 (the day Wagner and Kirksey signed).
Furthermore, the Packers currently have little cap room (and thus far have not demonstrated a willingness to create more space in order) to acquire additional players. The Pack might still sign a veteran player or two and might even move on from someone like Lowry to create some space. But there does not seem to be much room or will to maneuver and the pool of players to choose from does not get more attractive as more of them get signed by other franchises.
The Pack is also selecting at the bottom of the first round of the upcoming draft -- at #29. Within the last decade, the Packers selected Nick Perry (at 28), Datone Jones (26), Damarious Randall (30), Kenny Clark (27), and Kevin King (33). The team got next to nothing out of these players during their rookie seasons, with Randall, surprisingly, probably being the biggest contributor of the bunch. Thus, while whomever is selected in the upcoming draft will change the composition of the roster, it is unrealistic to assume that they will significantly improve the roster ... at least right away.
For all the above and foregoing reasons, while it is a given that the current roster will change between now and the beginning of the 2021 season, there is plenty of reason to believe it will not change that dramatically and, more to the point, that it will not dramatically improve.
I just want to note the use of “Gee willikers”.
@SteveLuke posted:Lost RB-Gadget (Ervin was effective but always hurt while Austin added nothing, but there is no one to play this role currently on roster);
They signed RB Mike Weber from OSU to the roster and might give him a chance at the role. They also have RBs Dexter Williams and Patrick Taylor signed to the roster - although not gadget role fits. BTW - we haven't lost Erin until someone signs him.
Lost C Linsley (All-Pro player, uncertain who will be replacing him);
There is Patrick Lucas and Jake Hanson. Lucas has the experience and hence the inside edge without acquiring another player.
Lost TE2 Lewis (The only “blocking” TE is not currently on the roster and Sternberger ain’t gonna replace him, though Degaura might help fill this void if Lewis is not re-signed);
Lewis also remains unsigned by anyone. But the Packers have TE Dominique Dafney, TE Branson Kaufusi, and TE Isaac Nauta in addition to Sternberger and Deguara. Dafney helped with the blocking role last year while catching a ball or two. So maybe the person is on the roster, but maybe not.
DL 3, 5 and 6 (Lancaster and M. Adams were never any good and Snacks hardly played, but other than Clark, unproven Keke, and overpaid JAG Lowry, there are not even any other JAGs at the moment along the defensive line) ;
The JAGs your not mentioning are Willington Previlon, Anthony Rush, and Delontae Scott. All three are signed to the Packer roster.
So I did not reply to position groups I agreed with. I assume JAG means "Just Another Guy". Even if there are promising players at any given position, I expect some draft pick help. I wouldn't be surprised to see our GM trade down this year for more picks.
@antooo posted:
What? No "Oh Fish-sticks!"? I think they should expand the list by at least 10. Then maybe fish sticks will stick.