Doesn't impact me with the Green package but I'm trying to figure out why this changes the invoice for the Gold package. The extra game this year is an away game.
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PH - they charged Gold ticket holders for the extra game “just in case” it was an NFC home game. I paid for mine a couple of weeks ago, so I guess they didn’t know for sure then if AFC or NFC would get that game. I should get a credit back on my card now that they decided.
Seems Demo assumes the Packers will make no adjustments in 11 months from now to give them relief on '22 cap - if it is needed. So little is known on how the cap will grow with the new TV $$ so why not wait until you have more info before pulling the (purse)strings on contracts?
Is there any chance Jake Hansen gets a chance to compete as the starting center?
@H5 posted:Seems Demo assumes the Packers will make no adjustments in 11 months from now to give them relief on '22 cap - if it is needed. So little is known on how the cap will grow with the new TV $$ so why not wait until you have more info before pulling the (purse)strings on contracts?
I'm fine with whatever as long as Rodgers and the Goof Troop are on the same page but it sure seems like they aren't.
@CoPackFan posted:PH - they charged Gold ticket holders for the extra game “just in case” it was an NFC home game. I paid for mine a couple of weeks ago, so I guess they didn’t know for sure then if AFC or NFC would get that game. I should get a credit back on my card now that they decided.
Ah, OK that makes sense. So you will get a preseason game instead of an extra regular season game and be refunded the difference.
@Henry posted:I'm fine with whatever as long as Rodgers and the Goof Troop are on the same page but it sure seems like they aren't.
This shit is getting really annoying. Rodgers just did an interview and said the same “it’s not in my hands” routine that he’s been doing for the last year+. Just say you’re sick of talking about contract stuff and you’re not going to talk about it. The fact that he’s keeping the pot stirred up with his non-answer answer is bordering on Favre retirement waffling. He’s very clearly putting pressure on the organization and it’s getting old.
I'm sure there's a bunch of shit going on behind the scenes but Rodgers is pushing for assurances to keep playing. This ain't Bert.
Yeah, the non-answer sure is an indicator shit is happening but it's the bog standard reply for keeping whatever shit is happening out of the media.
Seriously, Gunt fucked himself, not Rodgers. He essentially bet against Rodgers with the Love pick and Rodgers goes out and wins a 3rd MVP. Again, this talk about Rodgers "down" years doesn't even fly considering any other QB would be pleased as shit to have his down year. Gunt bet against a HOF QB that showed no signs of considerable drop off who has said for years he wants to continue to play.
Beside the questionable capital to draft Love how do you not know this kind of shit would happen? That's the thing that makes me truly think Gunt is in over his head and Russ Ball has too much input to football operations.
There is no other way to put it. Gunt dug is own grave on multiple fronts.
Will Redmond really? Lets bring back every fucking turd while we are at it...
JFC...
Redmond is a core special team player. He also had 340 defensive snaps last year.
Definitely want to see some new blood in the secondary to eat up some of those defensive snaps, but 1 year - $920k for injury insurance and special teams play, (if he makes the roster), is not going to break the bank.
I disagree Hank. I don’t think Gunt is betting on Love any more than TT was betting on Brian Brohm. I honestly think they’re genuine that it was purely a value prospect...that could mean either flip him for more, let him take over, whatever. I don’t think they’re dumb enough to create this mess simply to get THEIR GUY in place. I think they didn’t like what they saw from Rodgers in 2019, they decided to essentially go year to year with him, don’t want to take on excess dead money in ‘22/‘23 if he tanks and they need to move on with Love, Ryan Fitzpatrick or whoever. Keeping options open. Rodgers may want to retire a Packer with a solid guaranteed plan, but the team is in a precarious position with the most important position. If he, with his ginormous cap hit, hits a wall or gets hurt to a degree that his 38 yr old body can’t return quickly from, they are F-U-C-K-E-D. They can’t sign a replacement QB with his cap hit, they have to play a backup. So yeah the team has to protect themselves from the inevitability of Rodgers decline or another major injury. There’s a good chance if he’s playing well during the 2023 season that the team will extend him. By the same token if he’s declining then the team should move on.
@antooo posted:Redmond is a core special team player. He also had 340 defensive snaps last year.
Definitely want to see some new blood in the secondary to eat up some of those defensive snaps, but 1 year - $920k for injury insurance and special teams play, (if he makes the roster), is not going to break the bank.
A core player on the most dog shit special teams unit in the NFL...
Sorry if my enthusiasm is lacking
Walter Alston managed the L A Dodgers on 18 consecutive 1 year contracts. There is no reason Rodgers can't do the same. Play well in 2022 and get a new contract in 2023. Same for 2024. If you don't want to do that retire or walk away. The Packers learned their lesson with Bert and they are not to repeat it.
@ammo posted:Walter Alston managed the L A Dodgers on 18 consecutive 1 year contracts. There is no reason Rodgers can't do the same. Play well in 2022 and get a new contract in 2023. Same for 2024. If you don't want to do that retire or walk away. The Packers learned their lesson with Bert and they are not to repeat it.
He's under Packers' control until 2024. They don't need to give him a new contract for 2022 or 2023.
I think I would have more sympathy for Rodgers position if he had been giving the team a discount to build a contender. He doesn’t though and he shouldn’t, he doesn’t owe GB that courtesy. He’s been among the top earners in the league annually since basically fall of 2008. He’s earned every penny, but he agreed to the contract he has now. He’s a smart guy, he sees that at any moment GB could decide to mail him to Houston or Carolina or just make him a free agent and he doesn’t want it, but there’s no goos answer here for either side. All I’m saying is playing this negotiation out in the media is bordering on what Favre did to force an exit.
To me they all need to follow the Brady/TB path and agree on a fair, fully guaranteed couple of years at a time that protects both sides. That could be what they’re trying to hammer out. Basically a new deal for ‘22/‘23 with lots of void years.
I'm not really sure why the Packers need to do anything. They can let Rodgers play in '21 and '22 and then trade him in '23 with only a $2m cap hit. If he regresses the next couple years it makes the transition to Love easier to stomach for people. If he is at MVP level then you can trade a 40 year old QB to some desperate team for a boatload of picks. Sorry but 40 year old QB is not someone to bet the farm on. The falloff from great to bad at that point is too fast.
'23 gives you a full year of Love starting to know whether you want to take his 5th year option in '24. If he totally shits the bed you have a boatload of picks from trading Rodgers to fall back on. If you let Rodgers continue to play you lose Love, picks, and have a QB on the wrong side of 40. Way too much risk there.
Quite frankly Rodgers contract is structured perfectly for GB as is. There isn't much reason for them to change it. For Rodgers I can see, even if he knows he's going to be traded, right now he doesn't have a say on where he would go, and I'm sure it irks him that he doesn't have control over that. But he did sign the contract, so....
@antooo posted:Redmond is a core special team player. He also had 340 defensive snaps last year.
Brandon Bostick was a core ST player in 2014.
M.D. Jennings was a core player at Safety in 2013 -- with over 700 snaps.
That Redmond was a core STs player & had 340 defensive snaps in 2020 reveals more about the Pack's woeful STs and failure to find a competent 3rd safety (at least one that can remain healthy) than it does about Redmond's ability to play NFL football.
31 other teams had a shot to outbid GB for Redmond and they all passed.
The only consolation (hope?) is that someone, anyone may yet emerge to JAG-like status and replace him.
With new STs & Defensive Coordinators taking over it is not even like Redmond adds value from a continuity standpoint.
Yuck!!!
So.... As long as Rodgers is playing at or near a MVP level, lets keep him. If he starts to decline, lets trade him for a boatload of picks.
What's the going rate for a declining quarterback pushing 40 years of age?
I can see a scenario where Rodgers starts to decline or gets hurt where his salary is way too high to keep him and no other team will take on his contract via a trade. So then cut him and wish him well...?
If GB is going to trade Rodgers, the time is probably now. I'm not suggesting they should do it, but I think its a bit presumptuous to think GB will get a "boatload of picks" once the inevitable slide in Rodgers' game happens.
@Pikes Peak posted:Better a year early than a year too late?
I think that's true for every position except QB. Another year of a top 5 QB all-time playing at that level gets you into title contention almost every year. It's a lot different in terms of title chances moving on from an all-time great at QB to someone that's just excellent (if Love is that good) than it is from moving on from a HOF at any other another position (let's say Bakh) to just someone that is really good.
Aaron Rodgers covers a lot of ills this team has.
@vitaflo posted:I'm not really sure why the Packers need to do anything. They can let Rodgers play in '21 and '22 and then trade him in '23 with only a $2m cap hit. If he regresses the next couple years it makes the transition to Love easier to stomach for people. If he is at MVP level then you can trade a 40 year old QB to some desperate team for a boatload of picks. Sorry but 40 year old QB is not someone to bet the farm on. The falloff from great to bad at that point is too fast.
'23 gives you a full year of Love starting to know whether you want to take his 5th year option in '24. If he totally shits the bed you have a boatload of picks from trading Rodgers to fall back on. If you let Rodgers continue to play you lose Love, picks, and have a QB on the wrong side of 40. Way too much risk there.
Quite frankly Rodgers contract is structured perfectly for GB as is. There isn't much reason for them to change it. For Rodgers I can see, even if he knows he's going to be traded, right now he doesn't have a say on where he would go, and I'm sure it irks him that he doesn't have control over that. But he did sign the contract, so....
Lulz.
Quite frankly, Gunt and Ball screwed up that perfect contract when they decided not to merely draft Jordan Love but to actively move up to draft him.
Anyone who says Rodgers doesn't have leverage is kidding themselves. A guy with his star power could force his way out and there isn't shit the FO could do about it. I'm sure the team wouldn't descend into chaos with a disgruntled HOFer being held hostage by a bunch of fucking hacks.
Rodgers is asking for assurances and a 37 year old QB coming off an MVP season, not to mention his entire career has a legitimate ask.
Also, people who keep pointing to 2019 as some reference of a Rodgers slide, I have a question. Are you fucking nuts? First year of a new coach and new system. Even Mayo said they were running a hybrid of McVince's system while trying to implement his. And yet, you think this is all on Rodgers? You don't think every other player on the offense was adjusting to a new coach and a hybrid scheme?
Shit, the whole offense was score on the handful of clearly scripted drives then white knuckle it hoping the defense holds. The WR were so fucking shitty that Aaron Jones had more impact at the position than anyone other than Adams. Still, I hear the "he's locking onto Adams". No fucking shit. You had Lazard literally getting finger patterns in the dirt from Rodgers in the huddle and he made the most of it. He sure didn't have a grasp of the convoluted offense, one where he didn't play in either faction. Then you have King Butterfingers behind Adams? For fuck sake, Ervin comes in and has an immediate impact.
Yet, 4000 yards, 26 TDs and 4 INTs is a sign of a possible slide. Okay.
There was no Bert bullshit. There was no "rebellion" to change. The entire offense and coaching staff went through a major transition for fuck sakes.
So many see Love as the eventual replacement, and he may be, but I seriously doubt that was the sole factor in the decision to acquire him.
They saw a high value opportunity to improve the position and the team. The decision is not done irrespective of an overall plan. That plan is for now and the future.
And that's why they never get over the hump.
The team should not issue guarantees to a 37 year old QB beyond what is reasonable and affordable. Rodgers should be asking for those things because he’s 100% correct that there are no guarantees in this league. It’s a stalemate, but I think they would have faced this situation whether they had taken Love or not. Love isn’t some wildcard in the equation, I mean he could be if he immediately starts looking like Aaron Rodgers 2.0, but this situation was bound to arise regardless. Unless something changes, GB was NEVER going bet the farm on a QB closer to 40 than 30 regardless of performance. Truly I think 2021 was always going to be the year they evaluated the future because next off-season is the first time moving on from Rodgers becomes financially responsible. I’m not sure why letting his contract play out is the wrong move?
Players deserve to squeeze every penny out of an organization because the league and teams don’t cut them an ounce of slack. I’m on Rodgers side, but the team isn’t wrong to wait out a player until the last minute to see whether he deserves extension. Maybe the trend is shifting and players will consistently be more like Tom Brady, but right now heavily betting on players past 35 is bad business. Take him year to year and see how it goes. If you think making a stink and forcing his way out is not exactly what Favre did then you’re lying yourself. Many people said the organization was fucking up by not committing long term to Favre after an astounding 2007 season.
The difference is that 37 year old QB is Aaron Rodgers. You can't get around that fact whether you like it or not. I wish he would pull a Tom Brady too but there isn't another QB in the league doing the same thing. Ultimately, we don't know what's happening right now. Murphy and Rodgers dodging the question sure doesn't look good.
I completely disagree with them having to "face the issue" if they didn't draft Love. If they didn't draft Love you'd have a much better chance of Rodgers pulling a Tom Brady. But now, the FO has basically put down a soft ultimatum and Rodgers is looking for assurances. Love didn't drop into their lap like Rodgers did with TT, they actively went after the guy.
If they didn't draft Love it would simply be an issue of what the value of Rodgers play is vs. the contract and not playing chicken. Gunt fucked this up. If he was so infatuated with Love regardless of the fallout then he should pull the trigger and get as much for Rodgers right now. McVince came right out and told Bert they were going with Rodgers. Nut up Gunt and either be praised or fired. You made the decision to set this whole thing in motion with a HOF QB that was committed to the Packers with no drop in play.
Summary: The FO created this situation and they don't seem to have recognized or are the prepared to deal with it.
But what would be different right now with Rodgers contract if they didn’t draft Love? The media firestorm wouldn’t exist and everyone’s panties wouldn’t be in their colon, but the realities of Rodgers contract haven’t changed. If they hinged their entire plan for Rodgers future one whether a QB might be available in 2020 then they’re absolute morons, that’s not the case though because Gute and his HC have one of the best starts ever by a GM/HC in NFL history. They’re not morons and they didn’t fuck up, the only issue they created by drafting a QB is smacking everyone in the face with the issue. Do you think if they hadn’t drafted a QB then they would have extended Rodgers, given him a fully guaranteed extension and he would be happy as a clam? No, they were never going to touch his contract and the issue would still be “my contract is structured in such a way that you can trade or cut me at any time, so what’s my future look like?” If covid hadn’t happened, the cap would have gone up, and no one would have been the wiser about a lack of restructuring on his contract. They restructure his contract every December, except 2020, and no one hears about it. Gute’s only mistake was 1) drawing attention to the issue with drafting Love without a concise media statement that would kill the uncertainty, 2) not taking care of all these restructurings quietly during the season as to not draw attention to the fa that Rodgers wasn’t going to be touched and 3) not crafting a concise statement that declares ANY reason, BS or not, as to why Rodgers wasn’t restructured. Organizationally the PR game has been a nightmare and they should fire their media people because the narrative has gotten out of control.
This reality and possibility existed the moment he signed his most recent extension. This predates Jordan Love, but picking Love just made it a juicy media story. Look at this article from before Love was even picked:
Reminders abound of how it might end for Aaron Rodgers with Packers
When Rodgers signed his most recent contract -- a $134 million extension that runs through the 2023 season -- it contained $98.2 million in guaranteed money but no guarantee how things would end. The Packers could actually get out of the deal starting this year and save salary-cap space with that total increasing each year. There's no reason to think they would do so anytime soon, but it's always an option.
"I'd like to make that decision easy for them," Rodgers told McAfee and former teammate A.J. Hawk. "The only way to do that is to keep playing at a high level and give them no choice but to keep bringing you back because you're the best option and give them the best chance to win. That's my goal.
"I've got four years left on my deal. I'd like to play four at a really, really high level, and if I feel like keep on keeping on from that point, to do it. I feel confident right now. I'm going to be 40 when the deal ends. I feel like I can keep going after that the way things have been going."
There’s a good chance he plays elite for 4 years and they extend him beyond ‘23. Rodgers is doing a power play because he was the MVP of the league and he’s demanding the guarantees they won’t give. He should do that, but GBP isn’t wrong for resisting.
The Bridge on the River Kwai is the greatest war movie ever made. It’s a glimpse of the fog of war inside the prism of an individual that alters his views of the greater good because he’s driven by principles. Last lines of the movie. Madness!!! Madness!!!!
It’s a great movie.
So riddle me this
What to make of this years performance v the previous 2-3 years? Was Rodgers on the decline? Did he get disinterested or complacent? Clearly, the drafting of Love lit a fire under his ass, or so that’s my theory.
I personally think that Gute wasn’t trying to offend Rodgers as much as he was trying to protect the future and more importantly the franchise. But let’s be clear - the Rodgers at the time of drafting Love was not the same guy on the field as we saw this past season. You could make a case that 2020 was his best season, and that’s saying a lot.
I don’t care what business you operate in the minute you stand pat and assume the status quo you are fucked. The NFL is no different. The Packers could have passed on drafting a QB and who knows, maybe Rodgers gets even more bored or distracted? Then what? A aging QB getting paid a shit ton of money? No thanks.
This idea that the Packers owe Rodgers anything is absurd. No business is more cutthroat than the NFL. Yes the Packers are different, but they are not going to pull out all the stops even for Rodgers.
As for Murphy being non committal, what do you expect him to say? He’s not exactly known as some PR savant. Still, he came across like a stuttering buffoon and doesn’t exactly inspire confidence in terms of understanding football operations. Sure, he can build the best goddamn ice rink around but I do not want that guy in front of a microphone answering challenging questions. All he had to say was “I understand there’s a lot of banter and scuttlebutt regarding the future of Aaron Rodgers, but he’s under contract, he’s our leader and he’s our QB. Next question”
@ChilliJon posted:The Bridge on the River Kwai is the greatest war movie ever made. It’s a glimpse of the fog of war inside the prism of an individual that alters his views of the greater good because he’s driven by principles. Last lines of the movie. Madness!!! Madness!!!!
It’s a great movie.
@Grave Digger posted:This reality and possibility existed the moment he signed his most recent extension. This predates Jordan Love, but picking Love just made it a juicy media story. Look at this article from before Love was even picked:
Reminders abound of how it might end for Aaron Rodgers with Packers
When Rodgers signed his most recent contract -- a $134 million extension that runs through the 2023 season -- it contained $98.2 million in guaranteed money but no guarantee how things would end. The Packers could actually get out of the deal starting this year and save salary-cap space with that total increasing each year. There's no reason to think they would do so anytime soon, but it's always an option.
"I'd like to make that decision easy for them," Rodgers told McAfee and former teammate A.J. Hawk. "The only way to do that is to keep playing at a high level and give them no choice but to keep bringing you back because you're the best option and give them the best chance to win. That's my goal.
"I've got four years left on my deal. I'd like to play four at a really, really high level, and if I feel like keep on keeping on from that point, to do it. I feel confident right now. I'm going to be 40 when the deal ends. I feel like I can keep going after that the way things have been going."
There’s a good chance he plays elite for 4 years and they extend him beyond ‘23. Rodgers is doing a power play because he was the MVP of the league and he’s demanding the guarantees they won’t give. He should do that, but GBP isn’t wrong for resisting.
The question is why is he making this power play? Assurances, after they drafted Love. It's also a move for immediate cap room. Hell, we don't even know what kind of restructure was being offered.
“I can’t really get into specific players," he said. "We’ve been able to create room with others.
"I'm not going to get into specifics."
The quote you highlighted is exactly what I was talking about before. His existing contract would merely be a measure of his play level as he got older. He's stating right there he wants to play at a championship level throughout the contract.
Then the morons moved up to draft Jordan Love. I completely agree with Orlovsky's take.
"Your actions are louder than your words. We will know 30 days from today exactly what the Green Bay Packers' thoughts are when it comes to Aaron Rodgers. That's the first night of the draft. OK? Because what you've done recently when it comes to your draft picks does not tell me that Aaron Rodgers is going to be there long-term. It does not tell me you think Rodgers is going to be a part of the organization for more than one year. You know why? Not a single wide receiver. And last year you chose the future. So I'm going to know 30 days from today exactly how the Green Bay Packers' front office views Aaron Rodgers' future in Green Bay. Because if they don't take a wide receiver or move up to take an impactful front seven player, you're telling me everything I need to know. You're telling me we're going to start building for the future. This isn't our all-in year."
JL will need the same things AR does.....good blockers, better receivers, some big fatties on the D line and a KK replacement.
So if they take a corner in R1 or an OL in round 1 they are not committed to Rodgers? What a stupid take.
That’s why Dan Orlovsky is a talking head in the media running his mouth rather than actually working in a front office somewhere.
So doing nothing in the draft to fill in holes for the immortal Lancaster and Lowry along with literally ANYONE to play at ILB shows a real commitment?
The Goof Troop can't do a god damn thing in FA so the draft is everything. You've got 10 picks, you could get a CB, OL and a DT if you play your cards right. Gunt is ready to throw picks at a fucking development QB but he won't move up to fill giant fucking holes in the defense?
Gunt set this up where he better hit this draft out of the damn ball park.
Or running out of the back of the endzone.
@ChilliJon posted:The Bridge on the River Kwai is the greatest war movie ever made. It’s a glimpse of the fog of war inside the prism of an individual that alters his views of the greater good because he’s driven by principles. Last lines of the movie. Madness!!! Madness!!!!
It’s a great movie.
Fantastic performance by Alec Guinness when he realizes as the train approaches what a fool he’s been and stumbled forward as shot to detonate the bombs
@Tschmack posted:So riddle me this
What to make of this years performance v the previous 2-3 years? Was Rodgers on the decline? Did he get disinterested or complacent? Clearly, the drafting of Love lit a fire under his ass, or so that’s my theory.
I personally think that Gute wasn’t trying to offend Rodgers as much as he was trying to protect the future and more importantly the franchise. But let’s be clear - the Rodgers at the time of drafting Love was not the same guy on the field as we saw this past season. You could make a case that 2020 was his best season, and that’s saying a lot.
I don’t care what business you operate in the minute you stand pat and assume the status quo you are fucked. The NFL is no different. The Packers could have passed on drafting a QB and who knows, maybe Rodgers gets even more bored or distracted? Then what? A aging QB getting paid a shit ton of money? No thanks.
This idea that the Packers owe Rodgers anything is absurd. No business is more cutthroat than the NFL. Yes the Packers are different, but they are not going to pull out all the stops even for Rodgers.
As for Murphy being non committal, what do you expect him to say? He’s not exactly known as some PR savant. Still, he came across like a stuttering buffoon and doesn’t exactly inspire confidence in terms of understanding football operations. Sure, he can build the best goddamn ice rink around but I do not want that guy in front of a microphone answering challenging questions. All he had to say was “I understand there’s a lot of banter and scuttlebutt regarding the future of Aaron Rodgers, but he’s under contract, he’s our leader and he’s our QB. Next question”
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